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Wed Apr-14-10 10:25 PM
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| 157. That's where men are victimized |
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or objectified. You believe you're not a man if you don't think about sex all the time and can't look at a woman two seconds without thinking about sex. That's ingrained into you and you feel emasculated if you find you can have a conversation about something else with a woman.
You're just playing into the same thing, and it impoverishes your relationships. You could talk to a woman without thinking about sex, and get something out of that conversation. You could have good friends in women. You just let the same forces deprive you of all that.
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| - Sexual Objectification Is More Damaging to Women Than You Might Think |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:16 PM |
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All of advertising objectifies women. And women internalize it. |
county worker |
Apr-13-10 02:26 PM |
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I hate the objectification that is done to appeal to men. |
Xenotime |
Apr-13-10 03:05 PM |
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A lot of objectification of women is done to appeal to other women. |
arbusto_baboso |
Apr-13-10 03:11 PM |
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I don't know if it is to appeal to women or to instruct them.... |
Caliman73 |
Apr-13-10 05:37 PM |
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If women buy into it, what's difference does the terminology make? |
arbusto_baboso |
Apr-13-10 06:00 PM |
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Terminology makes a hell of a difference because it describes the process. |
Caliman73 |
Apr-13-10 06:12 PM |
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I know all about the term, but disagree with some of your conclusions. |
arbusto_baboso |
Apr-13-10 06:17 PM |
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That is not what is being discussed. |
Caliman73 |
Apr-13-10 07:17 PM |
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What's the difference? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-13-10 06:12 PM |
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That is tame compared to this |
Xenotime |
Apr-13-10 10:51 PM |
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I think one slight difference is that Megan Fox |
NM_hemilover |
Apr-14-10 10:31 AM |
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how many times do men think about sex per hour? |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 02:27 PM |
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Objectification is not synonymous with sex or sexuality. |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 02:29 PM |
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It seems pretty close |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 02:41 PM |
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"Ogling" is not part of sexuality. |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 02:43 PM |
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Seems a pretty fine distinction to me |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 02:46 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-13-10 02:47 PM |
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A man can realize that women are entitled to the same dignity in public that he is. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 02:56 PM |
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I never said anything about staring |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 02:59 PM |
#29 |
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well put. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 03:02 PM |
#31 |
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Apparently you need to look up 'objectification' too. |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 03:04 PM |
#33 |
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If you are "perfectly able to distinguish" then you don't need to "pin things down". |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:06 PM |
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No I'm not |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 03:11 PM |
#43 |
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Strawman. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:13 PM |
#45 |
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Right, it is about "objectification" |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 03:15 PM |
#48 |
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objectification and arousal are not the same thing |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 03:17 PM |
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It's so stunningly simple, isn't it? eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:21 PM |
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Okay |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 03:27 PM |
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Is there any possible objective way to convey to you that YOU are responsible for your own behavior? |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 04:13 PM |
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Where am I disputing that? |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 04:19 PM |
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Looking isn't a problem |
Dorian Gray |
Apr-14-10 11:00 AM |
#149 |
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Your arousal does not negate your obligation to respect the rights and dignity of others. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:19 PM |
#52 |
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Very well stated. Thank you. |
MonkeyMama |
Apr-14-10 12:17 PM |
#153 |
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It's just more Penile Apologist behavior. |
Berry Cool |
Apr-13-10 08:42 PM |
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Since the subthread above got deleted... |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 11:19 PM |
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It makes one wonder what other body parts |
Maru Kitteh |
Apr-14-10 12:49 AM |
#128 |
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I do not "ogle" the Mona Lisa |
LanternWaste |
Apr-13-10 05:13 PM |
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and it is so simple. you control instead of controlless. why would anyone paint themselves without |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 05:17 PM |
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Learn from cats. Glance, look away. Lather, rinse, repeat |
eridani |
Apr-14-10 06:06 AM |
#136 |
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That's where men are victimized |
treestar |
Apr-14-10 10:25 PM |
#157 |
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*sigh* arent you the smart one. |
seabeyond |
Apr-14-10 10:28 PM |
#159 |
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This, I also agree with. The kind of leering, wolf-ish gaze |
closeupready |
Apr-13-10 02:48 PM |
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It's bullying behavior is what it is. Pure and simple. |
Maru Kitteh |
Apr-14-10 01:00 AM |
#131 |
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thank you for your commandment from on high. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 03:00 PM |
#30 |
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In denial much? |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 03:03 PM |
#32 |
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I don't give a shit what it's about. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:09 PM |
#39 |
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not act like a pig about it |
dem mba |
Apr-13-10 03:05 PM |
#36 |
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*sigh* |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 03:07 PM |
#38 |
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you know, if women say things like that about men we get our shit jumped all over |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 03:14 PM |
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Seriously. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:16 PM |
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yea i should have just stayed out of the convo myself |
dem mba |
Apr-13-10 03:51 PM |
#56 |
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I agree. |
closeupready |
Apr-13-10 02:30 PM |
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clueless |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 02:31 PM |
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then, please explain the difference. Use small words, so even I can get it. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 02:58 PM |
#28 |
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Ask closeupready. He's a guy. |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 03:05 PM |
#34 |
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no, i don't think testosterone has ANYTHING to do with it |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 03:10 PM |
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yes, please. too many big words. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 04:01 PM |
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Yes, because being rude and staring is just 'human nature'... |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 04:50 PM |
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its human nature to shit your pants but we learn to use the toilet |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 10:00 PM |
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Ah, thanks. Now I know why I can't get a date. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 10:17 PM |
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in my case, if a woman is dressing up to impress me |
nickinSTL |
Apr-14-10 09:14 PM |
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well, when I was a young woman I liked myself too much to do that |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:34 PM |
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About as often as women think about the men's money |
The Straight Story |
Apr-13-10 04:28 PM |
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exactly. and that too is learned. that to is conditioned and promoted. kinda |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 04:33 PM |
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wrong.I have never done that and no woman with self esteem would do that |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 10:01 PM |
#105 |
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It isn't about attraction. |
Caliman73 |
Apr-13-10 05:46 PM |
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right on. |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 05:53 PM |
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Thought police. |
Bonobo |
Apr-13-10 11:33 PM |
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Aww, us poor downtrodden men. Yawn.... |
Caliman73 |
Apr-14-10 01:55 AM |
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That was so predictable. Yawn. |
Bonobo |
Apr-14-10 04:26 AM |
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scorn and mockery - where? |
Donnachaidh |
Apr-14-10 06:14 AM |
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truth hurts |
Caliman73 |
Apr-14-10 12:16 PM |
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Women think about sex many times an hour too. |
goldcanyonaz |
Apr-13-10 07:22 PM |
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Precisely so. |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 09:46 PM |
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Well said and thank you! |
Withywindle |
Apr-13-10 10:16 PM |
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"Men no longer define us"... not entirely accurate. |
PerpetuallyDazed |
Apr-14-10 08:46 AM |
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exactly. this is all i have been saying for, ... or ever. lol. |
seabeyond |
Apr-14-10 09:17 AM |
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Wouldn't it be better if you weren't so dominated by it? |
treestar |
Apr-14-10 10:27 PM |
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Who cares how often men think about sex? I don't give a damn, as long as they keep it to themselves |
Liquorice |
Apr-14-10 10:40 PM |
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I don't really understand this article. |
closeupready |
Apr-13-10 02:28 PM |
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Back in my "hot" days |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 02:30 PM |
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xactly. :) |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:35 PM |
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+1,000,000 |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 02:36 PM |
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I was a hottie..I didnt even try, I hated it hated it hated it |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:40 PM |
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I hope you realize that not all guys are like that. |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 03:11 PM |
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if you are a man, and not a "swinging dick" then she wasn't talking about you |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 03:16 PM |
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See what I mean? You have no clue of how hypocritical you sound, do you? rom |
Bonobo |
Apr-13-10 11:37 PM |
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one is judged to be a "swinging dick" by one's behavior |
Scout |
Apr-14-10 06:42 AM |
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oh I know that now I have had 2 wonderful husbands who were good men |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 03:30 PM |
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this is the thing dave. we KNOW it is not all men. we are around enough men, to SEE |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 04:28 PM |
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Don't give up. Sensitive men used to be respected. |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 06:40 PM |
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"every swinging dick would bother me." |
Bonobo |
Apr-13-10 11:35 PM |
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Oh yeah, I've had many weight fluctuations |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 02:49 PM |
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You and I had a similar experience |
Dorian Gray |
Apr-14-10 11:13 AM |
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The weird thing is the interest you get when you lose weight |
treestar |
Apr-14-10 10:29 PM |
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Oh, I agree. |
leftyladyfrommo |
Apr-14-10 09:23 AM |
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I used to get all sorts of lewd comments and also demands that I "Smile!" |
Arugula Latte |
Apr-14-10 11:18 AM |
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i HATE being told to smile ... depending on circumstances, |
Scout |
Apr-14-10 12:25 PM |
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OMG, I have had that exact experience many times. I started thinking |
Liquorice |
Apr-14-10 10:36 PM |
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We're in the last few yrs before our daughter will be impacted socially by this type of marketing |
Echo In Light |
Apr-13-10 02:33 PM |
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+1000000000 |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:43 PM |
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it isnt about attractiveness, it is about male dominance. women that have experienced it for |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 02:41 PM |
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+1000000000000000 well said |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:44 PM |
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i know plenty of men that dont do it. i know men once they are aware of it... stop doing it. |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 02:47 PM |
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my sons are different then a lot of men I have noticed |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:52 PM |
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the boys that always show up on these topics, determined to OBSTRUCT, |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Apr-13-10 11:52 PM |
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... |
redqueen |
Apr-14-10 09:06 AM |
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not too impressed with this study |
anigbrowl |
Apr-13-10 02:43 PM |
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good post |
NewJeffCT |
Apr-13-10 04:18 PM |
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I see the issue as a "youth" issue. |
SoCalDem |
Apr-13-10 04:38 PM |
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I'm sure the same goes for guys... |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 02:46 PM |
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makes sense to me. |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:46 PM |
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Indeed. I'm glad every day that I'm not considered "hot" by mainstream standards. |
Lyric |
Apr-13-10 03:11 PM |
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“is likely to increase cognitive load" |
ulaes |
Apr-13-10 03:15 PM |
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What did you do to fight back? n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Apr-13-10 04:20 PM |
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all advertising objectifies every consumer. |
branders seine |
Apr-13-10 04:53 PM |
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hey, don't ruin a bad argument with a serious fact. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 05:05 PM |
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did you check out the hooters on that health insurance reform bill? |
branders seine |
Apr-13-10 05:14 PM |
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cool! please send the site info! |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 05:21 PM |
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what? right now. you have issue? where, what? nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 05:17 PM |
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I hate the way men are objectified in porn. |
AnArmyVeteran |
Apr-13-10 05:10 PM |
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Objectification can bother men as much as women. |
Lucian |
Apr-13-10 05:21 PM |
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I blame the Matriarchy. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-13-10 06:47 PM |
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EXCEPT dumb is not sexy. How do they explain that? nt |
mistertrickster |
Apr-13-10 05:25 PM |
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Dupe, delete |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-13-10 06:02 PM |
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Poor Usain Bolt must think of himself as a fast-moving object to be scrutinized. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-13-10 06:06 PM |
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a) men aren't the only ones who objectify, men OR women. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-13-10 06:07 PM |
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True, but off topic, IMO |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 06:56 PM |
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"It suggests some women who are objectified by men..." |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-13-10 08:25 PM |
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That's kind of what I took out of the article |
PerpetuallyDazed |
Apr-14-10 09:06 AM |
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With just a few more 'studies' like this one, I'm sure we'll be able to put a stop to people |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-13-10 06:43 PM |
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I feel so cheap and violated when I see a woman undressing me with her imagination... |
AnArmyVeteran |
Apr-13-10 06:52 PM |
#90 |
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and what of the objectification of mens hands? |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-13-10 10:46 PM |
#108 |
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Why are you ridiculing the study? |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 07:04 PM |
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Hey Dave, you're not expecting an answer, are you? n/t |
Greyhound |
Apr-13-10 07:11 PM |
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Nah, just want to demonstrate not all guys are like them. |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 07:19 PM |
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Most guys who refuse to look too closely at their privileges... |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 09:54 PM |
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Um, yeah, he got one. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-13-10 08:41 PM |
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To you? |
Greyhound |
Apr-13-10 11:54 PM |
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Not surprising, either. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-14-10 12:40 AM |
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"Clearly women have a valid point." No, the terms aren't even clearly defined. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-13-10 08:40 PM |
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Call out the Thought Police |
Indy Lurker |
Apr-13-10 08:55 PM |
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absolutely ! |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Apr-13-10 11:30 PM |
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I completely agree. Well said. n/t |
PerpetuallyDazed |
Apr-14-10 09:10 AM |
#145 |
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Thanks for this. Tons of facts to back up the claim. |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Apr-14-10 08:51 PM |
#155 |
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POSTING IN EPIC THREAD! n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Apr-13-10 10:53 PM |
#110 |
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"For reasons that are not entirely clear"? Really? n/t |
Unvanguard |
Apr-13-10 10:55 PM |
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Nobody benefits from being treated like an object. I don't find the reasons at all mysterious: |
struggle4progress |
Apr-13-10 11:17 PM |
#112 |
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well put! The boys who are are here to obstruct and are threatened |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Apr-13-10 11:40 PM |
#118 |
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hot pockets? |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-14-10 12:43 AM |
#126 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-14-10 12:52 AM |
#130 |
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I'm sorry. Continue discussing this absolutely ridiculous study. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-14-10 01:02 AM |
#132 |
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It's a RESPECT thing stupid. |
Dank Nugs |
Apr-13-10 11:45 PM |
#119 |
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"True to the code" |
Bonobo |
Apr-13-10 11:49 PM |
#120 |
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Binary |
Dank Nugs |
Apr-13-10 11:53 PM |
#122 |
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That's heavy, man. |
Bonobo |
Apr-14-10 12:23 AM |
#124 |
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Simplification |
Dank Nugs |
Apr-14-10 12:47 AM |
#127 |
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No, I got THAT far, but... |
Bonobo |
Apr-14-10 12:50 AM |
#129 |
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yes. and then there are those that will protect their domain for all they are worth. whites will |
seabeyond |
Apr-14-10 06:55 AM |
#141 |
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k/r |
Solly Mack |
Apr-14-10 04:28 AM |
#135 |
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Interesting claim from the study author |
Recursion |
Apr-14-10 06:16 AM |
#138 |
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Women should boycott the fashion and cosmetics industries promoting objectivication. |
DailyGrind51 |
Apr-14-10 06:21 AM |
#139 |
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