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Tue Apr-13-10 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #83 |
| 91. True, but off topic, IMO |
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No offense but that observation really doesn't address the point. Yeah people dress up for whatever reason. But the subject is where mental energy is focused. Those who have no intention of having sex might dress up, whereas promiscuous types might dress down. People don't only dress for sex. So it's unrelated.
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| - Sexual Objectification Is More Damaging to Women Than You Might Think |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:16 PM |
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All of advertising objectifies women. And women internalize it. |
county worker |
Apr-13-10 02:26 PM |
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I hate the objectification that is done to appeal to men. |
Xenotime |
Apr-13-10 03:05 PM |
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A lot of objectification of women is done to appeal to other women. |
arbusto_baboso |
Apr-13-10 03:11 PM |
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I don't know if it is to appeal to women or to instruct them.... |
Caliman73 |
Apr-13-10 05:37 PM |
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If women buy into it, what's difference does the terminology make? |
arbusto_baboso |
Apr-13-10 06:00 PM |
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Terminology makes a hell of a difference because it describes the process. |
Caliman73 |
Apr-13-10 06:12 PM |
#84 |
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I know all about the term, but disagree with some of your conclusions. |
arbusto_baboso |
Apr-13-10 06:17 PM |
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That is not what is being discussed. |
Caliman73 |
Apr-13-10 07:17 PM |
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What's the difference? |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-13-10 06:12 PM |
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That is tame compared to this |
Xenotime |
Apr-13-10 10:51 PM |
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I think one slight difference is that Megan Fox |
NM_hemilover |
Apr-14-10 10:31 AM |
#148 |
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how many times do men think about sex per hour? |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 02:27 PM |
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Objectification is not synonymous with sex or sexuality. |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 02:29 PM |
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It seems pretty close |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 02:41 PM |
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"Ogling" is not part of sexuality. |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 02:43 PM |
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Seems a pretty fine distinction to me |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 02:46 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-13-10 02:47 PM |
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A man can realize that women are entitled to the same dignity in public that he is. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 02:56 PM |
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I never said anything about staring |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 02:59 PM |
#29 |
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well put. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 03:02 PM |
#31 |
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Apparently you need to look up 'objectification' too. |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 03:04 PM |
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If you are "perfectly able to distinguish" then you don't need to "pin things down". |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:06 PM |
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No I'm not |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 03:11 PM |
#43 |
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Strawman. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:13 PM |
#45 |
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Right, it is about "objectification" |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 03:15 PM |
#48 |
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objectification and arousal are not the same thing |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 03:17 PM |
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It's so stunningly simple, isn't it? eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:21 PM |
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Okay |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 03:27 PM |
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Is there any possible objective way to convey to you that YOU are responsible for your own behavior? |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 04:13 PM |
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Where am I disputing that? |
NoNothing |
Apr-13-10 04:19 PM |
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Looking isn't a problem |
Dorian Gray |
Apr-14-10 11:00 AM |
#149 |
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Your arousal does not negate your obligation to respect the rights and dignity of others. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:19 PM |
#52 |
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Very well stated. Thank you. |
MonkeyMama |
Apr-14-10 12:17 PM |
#153 |
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It's just more Penile Apologist behavior. |
Berry Cool |
Apr-13-10 08:42 PM |
#100 |
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Since the subthread above got deleted... |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 11:19 PM |
#113 |
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It makes one wonder what other body parts |
Maru Kitteh |
Apr-14-10 12:49 AM |
#128 |
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I do not "ogle" the Mona Lisa |
LanternWaste |
Apr-13-10 05:13 PM |
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and it is so simple. you control instead of controlless. why would anyone paint themselves without |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 05:17 PM |
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Learn from cats. Glance, look away. Lather, rinse, repeat |
eridani |
Apr-14-10 06:06 AM |
#136 |
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That's where men are victimized |
treestar |
Apr-14-10 10:25 PM |
#157 |
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*sigh* arent you the smart one. |
seabeyond |
Apr-14-10 10:28 PM |
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This, I also agree with. The kind of leering, wolf-ish gaze |
closeupready |
Apr-13-10 02:48 PM |
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It's bullying behavior is what it is. Pure and simple. |
Maru Kitteh |
Apr-14-10 01:00 AM |
#131 |
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thank you for your commandment from on high. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 03:00 PM |
#30 |
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In denial much? |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 03:03 PM |
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I don't give a shit what it's about. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:09 PM |
#39 |
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not act like a pig about it |
dem mba |
Apr-13-10 03:05 PM |
#36 |
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*sigh* |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 03:07 PM |
#38 |
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you know, if women say things like that about men we get our shit jumped all over |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 03:14 PM |
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Seriously. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 03:16 PM |
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yea i should have just stayed out of the convo myself |
dem mba |
Apr-13-10 03:51 PM |
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I agree. |
closeupready |
Apr-13-10 02:30 PM |
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clueless |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 02:31 PM |
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then, please explain the difference. Use small words, so even I can get it. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 02:58 PM |
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Ask closeupready. He's a guy. |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 03:05 PM |
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no, i don't think testosterone has ANYTHING to do with it |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 03:10 PM |
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yes, please. too many big words. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 04:01 PM |
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Yes, because being rude and staring is just 'human nature'... |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 04:50 PM |
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its human nature to shit your pants but we learn to use the toilet |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 10:00 PM |
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Ah, thanks. Now I know why I can't get a date. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 10:17 PM |
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in my case, if a woman is dressing up to impress me |
nickinSTL |
Apr-14-10 09:14 PM |
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well, when I was a young woman I liked myself too much to do that |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:34 PM |
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About as often as women think about the men's money |
The Straight Story |
Apr-13-10 04:28 PM |
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exactly. and that too is learned. that to is conditioned and promoted. kinda |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 04:33 PM |
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wrong.I have never done that and no woman with self esteem would do that |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 10:01 PM |
#105 |
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It isn't about attraction. |
Caliman73 |
Apr-13-10 05:46 PM |
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right on. |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 05:53 PM |
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Thought police. |
Bonobo |
Apr-13-10 11:33 PM |
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Aww, us poor downtrodden men. Yawn.... |
Caliman73 |
Apr-14-10 01:55 AM |
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That was so predictable. Yawn. |
Bonobo |
Apr-14-10 04:26 AM |
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scorn and mockery - where? |
Donnachaidh |
Apr-14-10 06:14 AM |
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truth hurts |
Caliman73 |
Apr-14-10 12:16 PM |
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Women think about sex many times an hour too. |
goldcanyonaz |
Apr-13-10 07:22 PM |
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Precisely so. |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 09:46 PM |
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Well said and thank you! |
Withywindle |
Apr-13-10 10:16 PM |
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"Men no longer define us"... not entirely accurate. |
PerpetuallyDazed |
Apr-14-10 08:46 AM |
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exactly. this is all i have been saying for, ... or ever. lol. |
seabeyond |
Apr-14-10 09:17 AM |
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Wouldn't it be better if you weren't so dominated by it? |
treestar |
Apr-14-10 10:27 PM |
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Who cares how often men think about sex? I don't give a damn, as long as they keep it to themselves |
Liquorice |
Apr-14-10 10:40 PM |
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I don't really understand this article. |
closeupready |
Apr-13-10 02:28 PM |
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Back in my "hot" days |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 02:30 PM |
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xactly. :) |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:35 PM |
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+1,000,000 |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 02:36 PM |
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I was a hottie..I didnt even try, I hated it hated it hated it |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:40 PM |
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I hope you realize that not all guys are like that. |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 03:11 PM |
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if you are a man, and not a "swinging dick" then she wasn't talking about you |
Scout |
Apr-13-10 03:16 PM |
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See what I mean? You have no clue of how hypocritical you sound, do you? rom |
Bonobo |
Apr-13-10 11:37 PM |
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one is judged to be a "swinging dick" by one's behavior |
Scout |
Apr-14-10 06:42 AM |
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oh I know that now I have had 2 wonderful husbands who were good men |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 03:30 PM |
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this is the thing dave. we KNOW it is not all men. we are around enough men, to SEE |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 04:28 PM |
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Don't give up. Sensitive men used to be respected. |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 06:40 PM |
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"every swinging dick would bother me." |
Bonobo |
Apr-13-10 11:35 PM |
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Oh yeah, I've had many weight fluctuations |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 02:49 PM |
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You and I had a similar experience |
Dorian Gray |
Apr-14-10 11:13 AM |
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The weird thing is the interest you get when you lose weight |
treestar |
Apr-14-10 10:29 PM |
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Oh, I agree. |
leftyladyfrommo |
Apr-14-10 09:23 AM |
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I used to get all sorts of lewd comments and also demands that I "Smile!" |
Arugula Latte |
Apr-14-10 11:18 AM |
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i HATE being told to smile ... depending on circumstances, |
Scout |
Apr-14-10 12:25 PM |
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OMG, I have had that exact experience many times. I started thinking |
Liquorice |
Apr-14-10 10:36 PM |
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We're in the last few yrs before our daughter will be impacted socially by this type of marketing |
Echo In Light |
Apr-13-10 02:33 PM |
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+1000000000 |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:43 PM |
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it isnt about attractiveness, it is about male dominance. women that have experienced it for |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 02:41 PM |
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+1000000000000000 well said |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:44 PM |
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i know plenty of men that dont do it. i know men once they are aware of it... stop doing it. |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 02:47 PM |
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my sons are different then a lot of men I have noticed |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:52 PM |
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the boys that always show up on these topics, determined to OBSTRUCT, |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Apr-13-10 11:52 PM |
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... |
redqueen |
Apr-14-10 09:06 AM |
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not too impressed with this study |
anigbrowl |
Apr-13-10 02:43 PM |
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good post |
NewJeffCT |
Apr-13-10 04:18 PM |
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I see the issue as a "youth" issue. |
SoCalDem |
Apr-13-10 04:38 PM |
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I'm sure the same goes for guys... |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 02:46 PM |
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makes sense to me. |
Mari333 |
Apr-13-10 02:46 PM |
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Indeed. I'm glad every day that I'm not considered "hot" by mainstream standards. |
Lyric |
Apr-13-10 03:11 PM |
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“is likely to increase cognitive load" |
ulaes |
Apr-13-10 03:15 PM |
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What did you do to fight back? n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Apr-13-10 04:20 PM |
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all advertising objectifies every consumer. |
branders seine |
Apr-13-10 04:53 PM |
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hey, don't ruin a bad argument with a serious fact. |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 05:05 PM |
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did you check out the hooters on that health insurance reform bill? |
branders seine |
Apr-13-10 05:14 PM |
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cool! please send the site info! |
ChairmanAgnostic |
Apr-13-10 05:21 PM |
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what? right now. you have issue? where, what? nt |
seabeyond |
Apr-13-10 05:17 PM |
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I hate the way men are objectified in porn. |
AnArmyVeteran |
Apr-13-10 05:10 PM |
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Objectification can bother men as much as women. |
Lucian |
Apr-13-10 05:21 PM |
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I blame the Matriarchy. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-13-10 06:47 PM |
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EXCEPT dumb is not sexy. How do they explain that? nt |
mistertrickster |
Apr-13-10 05:25 PM |
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Dupe, delete |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-13-10 06:02 PM |
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Poor Usain Bolt must think of himself as a fast-moving object to be scrutinized. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-13-10 06:06 PM |
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a) men aren't the only ones who objectify, men OR women. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-13-10 06:07 PM |
#83 |
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True, but off topic, IMO |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 06:56 PM |
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"It suggests some women who are objectified by men..." |
lumberjack_jeff |
Apr-13-10 08:25 PM |
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That's kind of what I took out of the article |
PerpetuallyDazed |
Apr-14-10 09:06 AM |
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With just a few more 'studies' like this one, I'm sure we'll be able to put a stop to people |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-13-10 06:43 PM |
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I feel so cheap and violated when I see a woman undressing me with her imagination... |
AnArmyVeteran |
Apr-13-10 06:52 PM |
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and what of the objectification of mens hands? |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-13-10 10:46 PM |
#108 |
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Why are you ridiculing the study? |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 07:04 PM |
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Hey Dave, you're not expecting an answer, are you? n/t |
Greyhound |
Apr-13-10 07:11 PM |
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Nah, just want to demonstrate not all guys are like them. |
DaveJ |
Apr-13-10 07:19 PM |
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Most guys who refuse to look too closely at their privileges... |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 09:54 PM |
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Um, yeah, he got one. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-13-10 08:41 PM |
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To you? |
Greyhound |
Apr-13-10 11:54 PM |
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Not surprising, either. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-14-10 12:40 AM |
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"Clearly women have a valid point." No, the terms aren't even clearly defined. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-13-10 08:40 PM |
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Call out the Thought Police |
Indy Lurker |
Apr-13-10 08:55 PM |
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absolutely ! |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Apr-13-10 11:30 PM |
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I completely agree. Well said. n/t |
PerpetuallyDazed |
Apr-14-10 09:10 AM |
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Thanks for this. Tons of facts to back up the claim. |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Apr-14-10 08:51 PM |
#155 |
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POSTING IN EPIC THREAD! n/t |
LoZoccolo |
Apr-13-10 10:53 PM |
#110 |
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"For reasons that are not entirely clear"? Really? n/t |
Unvanguard |
Apr-13-10 10:55 PM |
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Nobody benefits from being treated like an object. I don't find the reasons at all mysterious: |
struggle4progress |
Apr-13-10 11:17 PM |
#112 |
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well put! The boys who are are here to obstruct and are threatened |
BlancheSplanchnik |
Apr-13-10 11:40 PM |
#118 |
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hot pockets? |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-14-10 12:43 AM |
#126 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-14-10 12:52 AM |
#130 |
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I'm sorry. Continue discussing this absolutely ridiculous study. |
Warren DeMontague |
Apr-14-10 01:02 AM |
#132 |
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It's a RESPECT thing stupid. |
Dank Nugs |
Apr-13-10 11:45 PM |
#119 |
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"True to the code" |
Bonobo |
Apr-13-10 11:49 PM |
#120 |
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Binary |
Dank Nugs |
Apr-13-10 11:53 PM |
#122 |
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That's heavy, man. |
Bonobo |
Apr-14-10 12:23 AM |
#124 |
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Simplification |
Dank Nugs |
Apr-14-10 12:47 AM |
#127 |
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No, I got THAT far, but... |
Bonobo |
Apr-14-10 12:50 AM |
#129 |
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yes. and then there are those that will protect their domain for all they are worth. whites will |
seabeyond |
Apr-14-10 06:55 AM |
#141 |
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k/r |
Solly Mack |
Apr-14-10 04:28 AM |
#135 |
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Interesting claim from the study author |
Recursion |
Apr-14-10 06:16 AM |
#138 |
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Women should boycott the fashion and cosmetics industries promoting objectivication. |
DailyGrind51 |
Apr-14-10 06:21 AM |
#139 |
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