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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-13-10 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #75
89. I blame the Matriarchy.
Damn female gaze! I can't escape it!
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  - Sexual Objectification Is More Damaging to Women Than You Might Think Mari333  Apr-13-10 02:16 PM   #0 
  - All of advertising objectifies women. And women internalize it.  county worker   Apr-13-10 02:26 PM   #1 
  - I hate the objectification that is done to appeal to men.  Xenotime   Apr-13-10 03:05 PM   #35 
     - A lot of objectification of women is done to appeal to other women.  arbusto_baboso   Apr-13-10 03:11 PM   #41 
     - I don't know if it is to appeal to women or to instruct them....  Caliman73   Apr-13-10 05:37 PM   #77 
        - If women buy into it, what's difference does the terminology make?  arbusto_baboso   Apr-13-10 06:00 PM   #80 
           - Terminology makes a hell of a difference because it describes the process.  Caliman73   Apr-13-10 06:12 PM   #84 
              - I know all about the term, but disagree with some of your conclusions.  arbusto_baboso   Apr-13-10 06:17 PM   #86 
                 - That is not what is being discussed.  Caliman73   Apr-13-10 07:17 PM   #94 
     - What's the difference?  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-13-10 06:12 PM   #85 
        - That is tame compared to this  Xenotime   Apr-13-10 10:51 PM   #109 
           - I think one slight difference is that Megan Fox  NM_hemilover   Apr-14-10 10:31 AM   #148 
  - how many times do men think about sex per hour?  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-13-10 02:27 PM   #2 
  - Objectification is not synonymous with sex or sexuality.  redqueen   Apr-13-10 02:29 PM   #4 
  - It seems pretty close  NoNothing   Apr-13-10 02:41 PM   #13 
     - "Ogling" is not part of sexuality.  redqueen   Apr-13-10 02:43 PM   #17 
        - Seems a pretty fine distinction to me  NoNothing   Apr-13-10 02:46 PM   #20 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Apr-13-10 02:47 PM   #22 
        - A man can realize that women are entitled to the same dignity in public that he is.  Hello_Kitty   Apr-13-10 02:56 PM   #27 
        - I never said anything about staring  NoNothing   Apr-13-10 02:59 PM   #29 
        - well put.  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-13-10 03:02 PM   #31 
        - Apparently you need to look up 'objectification' too.  redqueen   Apr-13-10 03:04 PM   #33 
        - If you are "perfectly able to distinguish" then you don't need to "pin things down".  Hello_Kitty   Apr-13-10 03:06 PM   #37 
           - No I'm not  NoNothing   Apr-13-10 03:11 PM   #43 
              - Strawman.  Hello_Kitty   Apr-13-10 03:13 PM   #45 
                 - Right, it is about "objectification"  NoNothing   Apr-13-10 03:15 PM   #48 
                    - objectification and arousal are not the same thing  Scout   Apr-13-10 03:17 PM   #51 
                    - It's so stunningly simple, isn't it? eom  Hello_Kitty   Apr-13-10 03:21 PM   #53 
                    - Okay  NoNothing   Apr-13-10 03:27 PM   #54 
                       - Is there any possible objective way to convey to you that YOU are responsible for your own behavior?  Hello_Kitty   Apr-13-10 04:13 PM   #58 
                       - Where am I disputing that?  NoNothing   Apr-13-10 04:19 PM   #60 
                       - Looking isn't a problem  Dorian Gray   Apr-14-10 11:00 AM   #149 
                    - Your arousal does not negate your obligation to respect the rights and dignity of others.  Hello_Kitty   Apr-13-10 03:19 PM   #52 
                       - Very well stated. Thank you.  MonkeyMama   Apr-14-10 12:17 PM   #153 
        - It's just more Penile Apologist behavior.  Berry Cool   Apr-13-10 08:42 PM   #100 
           - Since the subthread above got deleted...  redqueen   Apr-13-10 11:19 PM   #113 
           - It makes one wonder what other body parts  Maru Kitteh   Apr-14-10 12:49 AM   #128 
        - I do not "ogle" the Mona Lisa  LanternWaste   Apr-13-10 05:13 PM   #70 
        - and it is so simple. you control instead of controlless. why would anyone paint themselves without  seabeyond   Apr-13-10 05:17 PM   #72 
        - Learn from cats. Glance, look away. Lather, rinse, repeat  eridani   Apr-14-10 06:06 AM   #136 
        - That's where men are victimized  treestar   Apr-14-10 10:25 PM   #157 
           - *sigh* arent you the smart one.  seabeyond   Apr-14-10 10:28 PM   #159 
        - This, I also agree with. The kind of leering, wolf-ish gaze  closeupready   Apr-13-10 02:48 PM   #24 
        - It's bullying behavior is what it is. Pure and simple.  Maru Kitteh   Apr-14-10 01:00 AM   #131 
        - thank you for your commandment from on high.  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-13-10 03:00 PM   #30 
        - In denial much?  redqueen   Apr-13-10 03:03 PM   #32 
        - I don't give a shit what it's about.  Hello_Kitty   Apr-13-10 03:09 PM   #39 
        - not act like a pig about it  dem mba   Apr-13-10 03:05 PM   #36 
           - *sigh*  redqueen   Apr-13-10 03:07 PM   #38 
              - you know, if women say things like that about men we get our shit jumped all over  Scout   Apr-13-10 03:14 PM   #46 
              - Seriously. eom  Hello_Kitty   Apr-13-10 03:16 PM   #50 
              - yea i should have just stayed out of the convo myself  dem mba   Apr-13-10 03:51 PM   #56 
  - I agree.  closeupready   Apr-13-10 02:30 PM   #5 
  - clueless  Scout   Apr-13-10 02:31 PM   #7 
  - then, please explain the difference. Use small words, so even I can get it.  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-13-10 02:58 PM   #28 
  - Ask closeupready. He's a guy.  redqueen   Apr-13-10 03:05 PM   #34 
  - no, i don't think testosterone has ANYTHING to do with it  Scout   Apr-13-10 03:10 PM   #40 
     - yes, please. too many big words.  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-13-10 04:01 PM   #57 
        - Yes, because being rude and staring is just 'human nature'...  redqueen   Apr-13-10 04:50 PM   #66 
        - its human nature to shit your pants but we learn to use the toilet  Mari333   Apr-13-10 10:00 PM   #104 
           - Ah, thanks. Now I know why I can't get a date.  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-13-10 10:17 PM   #107 
  - in my case, if a woman is dressing up to impress me  nickinSTL   Apr-14-10 09:14 PM   #156 
  - well, when I was a young woman I liked myself too much to do that  Mari333   Apr-13-10 02:34 PM   #9 
  - About as often as women think about the men's money  The Straight Story   Apr-13-10 04:28 PM   #63 
  - exactly. and that too is learned. that to is conditioned and promoted. kinda  seabeyond   Apr-13-10 04:33 PM   #64 
  - wrong.I have never done that and no woman with self esteem would do that  Mari333   Apr-13-10 10:01 PM   #105 
  - It isn't about attraction.  Caliman73   Apr-13-10 05:46 PM   #78 
  - right on.  seabeyond   Apr-13-10 05:53 PM   #79 
  - Thought police.  Bonobo   Apr-13-10 11:33 PM   #115 
     - Aww, us poor downtrodden men. Yawn....  Caliman73   Apr-14-10 01:55 AM   #133 
        - That was so predictable. Yawn.  Bonobo   Apr-14-10 04:26 AM   #134 
           - scorn and mockery - where?  Donnachaidh   Apr-14-10 06:14 AM   #137 
           - truth hurts  Caliman73   Apr-14-10 12:16 PM   #152 
  - Women think about sex many times an hour too.  goldcanyonaz   Apr-13-10 07:22 PM   #96 
  - Precisely so.  redqueen   Apr-13-10 09:46 PM   #102 
  - Well said and thank you!  Withywindle   Apr-13-10 10:16 PM   #106 
  - "Men no longer define us"... not entirely accurate.  PerpetuallyDazed   Apr-14-10 08:46 AM   #142 
     - exactly. this is all i have been saying for, ... or ever. lol.  seabeyond   Apr-14-10 09:17 AM   #146 
  - Wouldn't it be better if you weren't so dominated by it?  treestar   Apr-14-10 10:27 PM   #158 
  - Who cares how often men think about sex? I don't give a damn, as long as they keep it to themselves  Liquorice   Apr-14-10 10:40 PM   #162 
  - I don't really understand this article.  closeupready   Apr-13-10 02:28 PM   #3 
  - Back in my "hot" days  Hello_Kitty   Apr-13-10 02:30 PM   #6 
  - xactly. :)  Mari333   Apr-13-10 02:35 PM   #10 
  - +1,000,000  Scout   Apr-13-10 02:36 PM   #11 
  - I was a hottie..I didnt even try, I hated it hated it hated it  Mari333   Apr-13-10 02:40 PM   #12 
  - I hope you realize that not all guys are like that.  DaveJ   Apr-13-10 03:11 PM   #42 
  - if you are a man, and not a "swinging dick" then she wasn't talking about you  Scout   Apr-13-10 03:16 PM   #49 
  - See what I mean? You have no clue of how hypocritical you sound, do you? rom  Bonobo   Apr-13-10 11:37 PM   #117 
     - one is judged to be a "swinging dick" by one's behavior  Scout   Apr-14-10 06:42 AM   #140 
  - oh I know that now I have had 2 wonderful husbands who were good men  Mari333   Apr-13-10 03:30 PM   #55 
  - this is the thing dave. we KNOW it is not all men. we are around enough men, to SEE  seabeyond   Apr-13-10 04:28 PM   #62 
     - Don't give up. Sensitive men used to be respected.  DaveJ   Apr-13-10 06:40 PM   #87 
  - "every swinging dick would bother me."  Bonobo   Apr-13-10 11:35 PM   #116 
  - Oh yeah, I've had many weight fluctuations  Hello_Kitty   Apr-13-10 02:49 PM   #25 
  - You and I had a similar experience  Dorian Gray   Apr-14-10 11:13 AM   #150 
  - The weird thing is the interest you get when you lose weight  treestar   Apr-14-10 10:29 PM   #160 
  - Oh, I agree.  leftyladyfrommo   Apr-14-10 09:23 AM   #147 
  - I used to get all sorts of lewd comments and also demands that I "Smile!"  Arugula Latte   Apr-14-10 11:18 AM   #151 
     - i HATE being told to smile ... depending on circumstances,  Scout   Apr-14-10 12:25 PM   #154 
     - OMG, I have had that exact experience many times. I started thinking  Liquorice   Apr-14-10 10:36 PM   #161 
  - We're in the last few yrs before our daughter will be impacted socially by this type of marketing  Echo In Light   Apr-13-10 02:33 PM   #8 
  - +1000000000  Mari333   Apr-13-10 02:43 PM   #15 
  - it isnt about attractiveness, it is about male dominance. women that have experienced it for  seabeyond   Apr-13-10 02:41 PM   #14 
  - +1000000000000000 well said  Mari333   Apr-13-10 02:44 PM   #18 
  - i know plenty of men that dont do it. i know men once they are aware of it... stop doing it.  seabeyond   Apr-13-10 02:47 PM   #23 
     - my sons are different then a lot of men I have noticed  Mari333   Apr-13-10 02:52 PM   #26 
  - the boys that always show up on these topics, determined to OBSTRUCT,  BlancheSplanchnik   Apr-13-10 11:52 PM   #121 
     - ...  redqueen   Apr-14-10 09:06 AM   #143 
  - not too impressed with this study  anigbrowl   Apr-13-10 02:43 PM   #16 
  - good post  NewJeffCT   Apr-13-10 04:18 PM   #59 
  - I see the issue as a "youth" issue.  SoCalDem   Apr-13-10 04:38 PM   #65 
  - I'm sure the same goes for guys...  DaveJ   Apr-13-10 02:46 PM   #19 
  - makes sense to me.  Mari333   Apr-13-10 02:46 PM   #21 
  - Indeed. I'm glad every day that I'm not considered "hot" by mainstream standards.  Lyric   Apr-13-10 03:11 PM   #44 
  - is likely to increase cognitive load"  ulaes   Apr-13-10 03:15 PM   #47 
  - What did you do to fight back? n/t  LoZoccolo   Apr-13-10 04:20 PM   #61 
  - all advertising objectifies every consumer.  branders seine   Apr-13-10 04:53 PM   #67 
  - hey, don't ruin a bad argument with a serious fact.  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-13-10 05:05 PM   #68 
     - did you check out the hooters on that health insurance reform bill?  branders seine   Apr-13-10 05:14 PM   #71 
     - cool! please send the site info!  ChairmanAgnostic   Apr-13-10 05:21 PM   #74 
     - what? right now. you have issue? where, what? nt  seabeyond   Apr-13-10 05:17 PM   #73 
  - I hate the way men are objectified in porn.  AnArmyVeteran   Apr-13-10 05:10 PM   #69 
  - Objectification can bother men as much as women.  Lucian   Apr-13-10 05:21 PM   #75 
  - I blame the Matriarchy.  Warren DeMontague   Apr-13-10 06:47 PM   #89 
  - EXCEPT dumb is not sexy. How do they explain that? nt  mistertrickster   Apr-13-10 05:25 PM   #76 
  - Dupe, delete  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-13-10 06:02 PM   #81 
  - Poor Usain Bolt must think of himself as a fast-moving object to be scrutinized.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-13-10 06:06 PM   #82 
  - a) men aren't the only ones who objectify, men OR women.  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-13-10 06:07 PM   #83 
  - True, but off topic, IMO  DaveJ   Apr-13-10 06:56 PM   #91 
     - "It suggests some women who are objectified by men..."  lumberjack_jeff   Apr-13-10 08:25 PM   #97 
        - That's kind of what I took out of the article  PerpetuallyDazed   Apr-14-10 09:06 AM   #144 
  - With just a few more 'studies' like this one, I'm sure we'll be able to put a stop to people  Warren DeMontague   Apr-13-10 06:43 PM   #88 
  - I feel so cheap and violated when I see a woman undressing me with her imagination...  AnArmyVeteran   Apr-13-10 06:52 PM   #90 
  - and what of the objectification of mens hands?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Apr-13-10 10:46 PM   #108 
  - Why are you ridiculing the study?  DaveJ   Apr-13-10 07:04 PM   #92 
     - Hey Dave, you're not expecting an answer, are you? n/t  Greyhound   Apr-13-10 07:11 PM   #93 
     - Nah, just want to demonstrate not all guys are like them.  DaveJ   Apr-13-10 07:19 PM   #95 
     - Most guys who refuse to look too closely at their privileges...  redqueen   Apr-13-10 09:54 PM   #103 
     - Um, yeah, he got one.  Warren DeMontague   Apr-13-10 08:41 PM   #99 
        - To you?  Greyhound   Apr-13-10 11:54 PM   #123 
           - Not surprising, either.  Warren DeMontague   Apr-14-10 12:40 AM   #125 
     - "Clearly women have a valid point." No, the terms aren't even clearly defined.  Warren DeMontague   Apr-13-10 08:40 PM   #98 
  - Call out the Thought Police  Indy Lurker   Apr-13-10 08:55 PM   #101 
  - absolutely !  BlancheSplanchnik   Apr-13-10 11:30 PM   #114 
     - I completely agree. Well said. n/t  PerpetuallyDazed   Apr-14-10 09:10 AM   #145 
        - Thanks for this. Tons of facts to back up the claim.  BlancheSplanchnik   Apr-14-10 08:51 PM   #155 
  - POSTING IN EPIC THREAD! n/t  LoZoccolo   Apr-13-10 10:53 PM   #110 
  - "For reasons that are not entirely clear"? Really? n/t  Unvanguard   Apr-13-10 10:55 PM   #111 
  - Nobody benefits from being treated like an object. I don't find the reasons at all mysterious:  struggle4progress   Apr-13-10 11:17 PM   #112 
  - well put! The boys who are are here to obstruct and are threatened  BlancheSplanchnik   Apr-13-10 11:40 PM   #118 
     - hot pockets?  Warren DeMontague   Apr-14-10 12:43 AM   #126 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-14-10 12:52 AM   #130 
           - I'm sorry. Continue discussing this absolutely ridiculous study.  Warren DeMontague   Apr-14-10 01:02 AM   #132 
  - It's a RESPECT thing stupid.  Dank Nugs   Apr-13-10 11:45 PM   #119 
  - "True to the code"  Bonobo   Apr-13-10 11:49 PM   #120 
  - Binary  Dank Nugs   Apr-13-10 11:53 PM   #122 
     - That's heavy, man.  Bonobo   Apr-14-10 12:23 AM   #124 
        - Simplification  Dank Nugs   Apr-14-10 12:47 AM   #127 
           - No, I got THAT far, but...  Bonobo   Apr-14-10 12:50 AM   #129 
  - yes. and then there are those that will protect their domain for all they are worth. whites will  seabeyond   Apr-14-10 06:55 AM   #141 
  - k/r  Solly Mack   Apr-14-10 04:28 AM   #135 
  - Interesting claim from the study author  Recursion   Apr-14-10 06:16 AM   #138 
  - Women should boycott the fashion and cosmetics industries promoting objectivication.  DailyGrind51   Apr-14-10 06:21 AM   #139 
 

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