SDuderstadt
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Mon Apr-12-10 10:32 PM
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strawman argument. Stick to the argument I'm actually making, okay? CodePink has more balls than the whole fucking US Congress and Obama and all his staff. and they are women. And, they are making zero impact. And embarrassing progressivism in the process. Like, for example, when they tried to take over Nancy Pelosi's office and disrupted Valerie Plame's testimony. |
| -Why I Criticized Code Pink by Jeff Norman on HuffPost |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 08:09 PM |
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Isn't Swanson violating his own rule by criticizing Norman? |
TheWraith |
Apr-12-10 08:20 PM |
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I heartily agree... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 08:23 PM |
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I disagree. Keeping the issue in the public forum *IS* substantive. Go Code Pink! |
nosmokes |
Apr-12-10 08:27 PM |
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Not in the way Code Pink does it... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 08:59 PM |
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You must be doing something yourself to expose |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-12-10 08:30 PM |
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As I have said before... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 08:33 PM |
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If you think that acting like wingnuts and mugging for the camera is substantive... |
TheWraith |
Apr-12-10 08:45 PM |
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It takes all kinds. In this age of Corporate Media, bless Code Pink for being outrageous |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-12-10 08:59 PM |
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How does being noticed negatively help? n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:00 PM |
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The difference being they don't get a fawning media lavishing coverage on them. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-12-10 09:10 PM |
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Those uppity women |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-12-10 08:34 PM |
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Thank you for that giant, fluffy strawman argument. nt |
TheWraith |
Apr-12-10 08:40 PM |
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yep |
HughMoran |
Apr-12-10 08:56 PM |
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Just acting like a bunch of silly suffragists used to in my grandmother's day... |
Generic Other |
Apr-12-10 10:37 PM |
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Did they disrupt the Congressional testimony of PEOPLE WHO WERE ON THEIR SIDE? eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-12-10 11:52 PM |
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Or try to take over Nancy Pelosi's office? n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 11:59 PM |
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As a matter of fact they did |
Generic Other |
Apr-13-10 12:03 AM |
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The question was whether they disrupted the testimony of their... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-13-10 12:15 AM |
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IOW, NOT people who supported women getting the right to vote. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-13-10 01:43 AM |
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I will never forget that Code Pink idiot in a tiara ruining Valerie Plame's testimony. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-12-10 08:35 PM |
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And I'll never forget Desiree ruining Condi's testimony |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-12-10 08:38 PM |
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And what do you think that accomplished? eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-12-10 08:41 PM |
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Forgive me, but.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 08:41 PM |
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If it weren't for Code Pink |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-12-10 09:09 PM |
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Oh, bullshit.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:12 PM |
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What other anti-war efforts have been on teevee lately?? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-12-10 09:54 PM |
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I'll never remember anything you did or said to change the world in anyway at all |
Generic Other |
Apr-12-10 10:40 PM |
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Backatcha. We don't know each other IRL. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-12-10 11:49 PM |
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Do you have a link to this article? Apparently there is a follow |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-12-10 08:26 PM |
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"then he's just blathering like the rest of them" |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 08:30 PM |
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You need to edit this OP to add a link |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-12-10 08:35 PM |
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Thanks... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 08:42 PM |
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"more advanced operations" |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 08:44 PM |
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Umm, no.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 08:49 PM |
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That's not an honest critique |
HughMoran |
Apr-12-10 08:55 PM |
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Where are the more advanced operations? |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 08:58 PM |
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Usually the mechanic is not... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:01 PM |
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You can't be serious |
HughMoran |
Apr-12-10 09:01 PM |
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Where are Jeff's solutions? There are none. |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 09:33 PM |
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What are Code Pink's solutions? |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:35 PM |
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To use street theater to raise awareness |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 09:41 PM |
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Stupid response.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:45 PM |
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So it's no good if someone might criticize code pink? |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 09:48 PM |
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Nice attempt at reframing, dude.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:50 PM |
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Hey, it's your argument not mine. You just dont like where it's going. |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 09:51 PM |
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No, I object to your reframing, dude.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:52 PM |
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You object to me getting to the root of your argument. |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 09:54 PM |
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No, dude... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:56 PM |
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Your argument has already flopped. |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 09:57 PM |
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Dude... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:59 PM |
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My evaluation has as much validity as anyone elses. |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 10:03 PM |
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I especially don't like your reframing, dude...n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:06 PM |
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You mean cutting to the chase of your argument. |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 10:07 PM |
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You've won the argument |
HughMoran |
Apr-12-10 10:04 PM |
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He was responding to Davids "purity test" |
HughMoran |
Apr-12-10 09:44 PM |
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If you are going to put words in my mouth, |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 09:47 PM |
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Look, Until a critical mass of people are willing to actually get arrested |
G_j |
Apr-12-10 09:20 PM |
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"Look, Until a critical mass of people are willing to actually get arrested" |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:23 PM |
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You are free to do something different yourself |
G_j |
Apr-12-10 09:37 PM |
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Including criticizing Code Pink....n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:46 PM |
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what do you care about? |
G_j |
Apr-12-10 10:01 PM |
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Why don't you research my posts and find out? |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:05 PM |
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why would I want to do that? |
G_j |
Apr-12-10 10:29 PM |
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I have stated CLEARLY why I get upset about what Code Pink does. |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:34 PM |
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This is a low underhanded way of attcking another DUer |
arcadian |
Apr-12-10 09:28 PM |
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David Swanson? |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:30 PM |
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Dupe....self-delete |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:30 PM |
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Michael Moore uses quite theatrical and unconventional protest techniques |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 09:34 PM |
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He makes movies.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:36 PM |
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Movies that use theatrics to make a point. |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 09:42 PM |
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Except Moore reaches far more people... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:47 PM |
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Who says? |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 09:50 PM |
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Jesus, this is getting funny.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:54 PM |
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You said Moore "reaches more people". I'm asking you for proof of that |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 09:56 PM |
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Dude... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:58 PM |
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Ticket sales don't mean much. And stop hyperbolizing on your right to an opinion |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 10:02 PM |
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I think I have a right to keep my opinion from being misrepresented... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:07 PM |
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You do not have a right to control opposing opinions. |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 10:08 PM |
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Jesus, dude.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:10 PM |
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Because you said that you have some "right" not to have your opinions messed with |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 10:31 PM |
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Good night, dude....n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:34 PM |
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Have a good one. |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 10:38 PM |
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That's a verbose bit of bleating |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-12-10 09:41 PM |
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Did you read what he actually wrote? |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 09:49 PM |
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Well he did far more that suggest that |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-12-10 10:00 PM |
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I think Code Pink damages progressivism. |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:09 PM |
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he is a war criminal, someone should have thrown his ass in jail already |
Mari333 |
Apr-12-10 10:05 PM |
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Oh but lets bash Code Pink instead. It's soooo much more productive. |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 10:06 PM |
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Stupid either/or argument.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:12 PM |
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It's stupid to bash Code Pink for their solutions and offer none of your own. |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 10:32 PM |
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Good night, dude....n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:35 PM |
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Code Pink is hardly going to... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:11 PM |
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Code Pink are the ONLY PEOPLE OUT THERE CALLING HIM A CRIMINAL |
Mari333 |
Apr-12-10 10:15 PM |
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And embarrassing progressivism in the process...n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:17 PM |
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so, if a Jew in 1944 saw Hitler and tried to take him down |
Mari333 |
Apr-12-10 10:25 PM |
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No.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:32 PM |
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Code Pink making "zero" impact? Care to qualify that |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 10:34 PM |
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Good night, dude....n/t |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:36 PM |
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Oh dear! |
KonaKane |
Apr-12-10 10:33 PM |
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I'm going to assume CP isn't run by idiots... |
Cid_B |
Apr-12-10 10:22 PM |
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"I think they realize that pink tiaras and fluffy wands will never result |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:28 PM |
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Swanson refused to run what I had written because he thinks "self-critique from our own side" is so |
grantcart |
Apr-12-10 10:27 PM |
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So where are your strategies and big ideas as others have asked upthread? |
Generic Other |
Apr-12-10 11:03 PM |
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"Maybe they need to target our side for some mocking ridicule next" |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 11:06 PM |
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Well clearly you have marginalized the women on our side without everyone's agreement |
Generic Other |
Apr-13-10 12:12 AM |
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DU has 147K+ members..... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-13-10 12:16 AM |
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Strategy and big ideas |
grantcart |
Apr-13-10 12:02 AM |
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No one has ever been prpsecuted for a crime? |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-13-10 12:18 AM |
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No you prosecute people for the crime they have committed |
grantcart |
Apr-13-10 12:43 AM |
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Maybe you should read Bugliosi's book. |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-13-10 01:06 AM |
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Points of fact. Many liberals DID NOT support the ACLUs decision to take on |
Luminous Animal |
Apr-12-10 10:44 PM |
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Apr-12-10 10:55 PM |
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Nice smear.... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-12-10 10:57 PM |
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What a bunch of self-important fuckers |
Fading Captain |
Apr-13-10 12:45 AM |
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Are you talking about... |
SDuderstadt |
Apr-13-10 01:08 AM |
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locking |
lazarus |
Apr-13-10 03:19 AM |
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