| 178. Just had this conversation w my 13 yo, who isn't homophobic. |
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He just picked up a bad habit of using "gay" to mean lame and just used it in my presence to refer to music he perceived as lame. I asked him if he had a problem with people who are gay (we have several gay friends) and he replied "no" and didn't see the term as related to people who were gay. I informed him it was the same as using a racial term in a derogatory manner and I hoped he understood that when people use terms like that they are insulting an undeserving population. I think if you explain this to most young people their awareness will lead to a correction.
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| -"That's gay" as an insult. |
BlueStater |
Apr-12-10 05:05 PM |
#0 |
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agreed 101% |
azurnoir |
Apr-12-10 05:07 PM |
#1 |
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+1 |
StopTheNeoCons |
Apr-12-10 05:16 PM |
#14 |
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Sometimes things get burned in to our vocabulary that are hard to get out |
no limit |
Apr-12-10 05:07 PM |
#2 |
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maybe I'm just old but that usage of "gay" IMO |
azurnoir |
Apr-12-10 05:09 PM |
#4 |
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eenie meenie minie moe, catch a _______ by the toe |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-10 05:10 PM |
#6 |
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Is "tiger" offensive? |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Apr-12-10 05:13 PM |
#11 |
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The common word was "n..." |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-10 05:20 PM |
#17 |
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I'm sure he knows. He also uses "gay" as an insult, so there you have it. |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 05:20 PM |
#19 |
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I always heard tiger until I got older and someone said the n word |
Shell Beau |
Apr-12-10 05:28 PM |
#30 |
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It was the times I grew up in. My folks were pretty radically openminded |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-10 05:41 PM |
#47 |
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The saying makes more sense, unfortunately, with the "n" word in place. |
Shell Beau |
Apr-12-10 05:43 PM |
#48 |
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My little kid brain heard it as "nickle." |
pnwmom |
Apr-12-10 07:12 PM |
#104 |
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I must have moved in the wrong crowds-- I'd only ever heard Tiger (grew up in 70s) |
Malikshah |
Apr-13-10 11:42 AM |
#184 |
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SHOCKED -- Really ????? |
SmileyRose |
Apr-14-10 06:51 PM |
#190 |
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In my family, we said, "tiger" |
pinboy3niner |
Apr-12-10 05:52 PM |
#53 |
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I have never hear "n*****" until today. I always thought it was tiger. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Apr-12-10 06:20 PM |
#65 |
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My friend, you must be young enough to have escaped |
pinboy3niner |
Apr-12-10 06:56 PM |
#92 |
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Growing up, I never thought that rhyme made ANY sense. |
darkstar3 |
Apr-12-10 07:24 PM |
#113 |
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The silly notion of a TIGER paying 50 dollars every day . . . |
pinboy3niner |
Apr-12-10 07:56 PM |
#132 |
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Many childrens rhymes and chants are based in horrifying histories. |
wolfgangmo |
Apr-13-10 10:37 AM |
#180 |
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No... but I'd imagine willful ignorance is. |
LanternWaste |
Apr-13-10 07:47 AM |
#165 |
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eenie meenie minie moe, catch old Hitler by the toe |
Thirtieschild |
Apr-12-10 05:16 PM |
#13 |
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Someone very close to me who I love very much |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-12-10 05:45 PM |
#51 |
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I'm from Texas and don't know anyone that calls them that. |
Flying Dream Blues |
Apr-12-10 10:31 PM |
#148 |
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That's good. |
Blue_In_AK |
Apr-12-10 11:51 PM |
#157 |
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I grew up with that term... |
TeeYiYi |
Apr-13-10 09:04 AM |
#170 |
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Whoa, I never heard of anything but "tiger" being used in |
iris27 |
Apr-12-10 06:20 PM |
#66 |
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it was a long time ago, in a galaxy far away |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-10 06:37 PM |
#79 |
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always just thought it was tiger. |
yodoobo |
Apr-12-10 06:41 PM |
#81 |
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I'm 28 -- not all that old -- and it never got burned into my vocab. n/t |
iris27 |
Apr-12-10 06:19 PM |
#64 |
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People stopped using the N word. They can stop saying "that's so gay." |
pnwmom |
Apr-12-10 07:08 PM |
#100 |
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Only among a very certain subset of people is it common. |
darkstar3 |
Apr-12-10 07:30 PM |
#114 |
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it's not that hard to get out -- we just have to stop making BS excuses for it |
fishwax |
Apr-12-10 07:41 PM |
#126 |
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"It can't be, I'm not a Republican." |
Warpy |
Apr-12-10 05:09 PM |
#3 |
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this post is retarded |
maxsolomon |
Apr-12-10 05:10 PM |
#5 |
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Yep both of those "gay" and "retarded" were both used pretty commonly when I was in HS. |
alphafemale |
Apr-12-10 06:59 PM |
#93 |
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gerry-rigged? |
maxsolomon |
Apr-12-10 07:02 PM |
#96 |
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Also VWs, though. nt |
Smarmie Doofus |
Apr-12-10 07:08 PM |
#101 |
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My dad was of WWII vintage. |
alphafemale |
Apr-12-10 07:13 PM |
#106 |
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Gran Torino was quite hard to watch. n/t |
muffin1 |
Apr-12-10 07:49 PM |
#129 |
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How 'bout "Jimmy the lock"? |
darkstar3 |
Apr-12-10 07:33 PM |
#117 |
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okay...??? |
alphafemale |
Apr-12-10 07:39 PM |
#123 |
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I was told that it was anti-irish, |
darkstar3 |
Apr-12-10 07:59 PM |
#135 |
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Never knew the origins behind "gypped" until I was in my early 20's. |
iris27 |
Apr-12-10 09:06 PM |
#142 |
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Huh, I thought it was jury-rigged, like a bought out jury. |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-10 10:37 PM |
#151 |
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Actually the term is jury rig and it's origins are nautical. |
Recovered Repug |
Apr-13-10 05:33 AM |
#161 |
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Jury Rigged is many centuries old, but Jerry Rigged is WW2 vintage. |
Xithras |
Apr-13-10 11:45 AM |
#185 |
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Ain't that a bitch. (nt) |
redqueen |
Apr-12-10 05:10 PM |
#7 |
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You got a problem with bitches? |
Incitatus |
Apr-12-10 07:07 PM |
#99 |
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I agree with you. I wince when I hear it. |
BurtWorm |
Apr-12-10 05:10 PM |
#8 |
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Me too. Seeing ignorance so proudly displayed is wince-worthy. |
glitch |
Apr-12-10 05:31 PM |
#38 |
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That's the one that makes me mad |
gvstn |
Apr-12-10 06:43 PM |
#82 |
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Yes. Insults boys and girls at the same time. A two-fer. n/t |
pnwmom |
Apr-12-10 07:14 PM |
#107 |
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It pisses me off to no end that they use that in the military. |
darkstar3 |
Apr-12-10 07:35 PM |
#119 |
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I said it until I was about 15 or so when I learned better |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-12-10 05:11 PM |
#9 |
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I use it sometimes. |
OneTenthofOnePercent |
Apr-12-10 05:12 PM |
#10 |
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It holds a LOT of water to gay people and you should be ashamed. |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 05:14 PM |
#12 |
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And how does "lame", used by the OP, come across to polio victims? /nt |
jberryhill |
Apr-12-10 05:21 PM |
#20 |
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Does the physically challenged community self-identify as "lamers"? |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 05:23 PM |
#22 |
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"Lamers"? No. "Lame", yes |
jberryhill |
Apr-12-10 05:27 PM |
#29 |
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I don't know what your angle is here. "That's gay" is an offensive insult. Bottom line. |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 05:29 PM |
#31 |
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So is, "that's lame" |
jberryhill |
Apr-12-10 05:30 PM |
#33 |
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Perfect, I don't use "that's lame" either. |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 05:30 PM |
#35 |
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Actually, one of the dictionary definitions of "lame" is weak. |
pnwmom |
Apr-12-10 07:02 PM |
#95 |
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Look. Gay people are discriminated against every fucking day in this country. |
muffin1 |
Apr-12-10 05:40 PM |
#46 |
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I agree |
jberryhill |
Apr-12-10 05:45 PM |
#49 |
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Who is saying it is an acceptable substitute? n/t |
muffin1 |
Apr-12-10 07:34 PM |
#118 |
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So you speak for all gay people now? |
no limit |
Apr-13-10 08:24 AM |
#167 |
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I had a 20ish male lecture me that "bitch" shouldn't be offensive to me, a 50ish female |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-10 05:27 PM |
#28 |
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Is bitch only offensive as a noun? |
hughee99 |
Apr-12-10 06:26 PM |
#70 |
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IMO, depends on the circumstance. |
iris27 |
Apr-12-10 06:31 PM |
#74 |
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It depends on how its used. My sibs and I call each other "the bitches" but you can't |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-10 06:36 PM |
#78 |
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It's an odd word in several ways |
hughee99 |
Apr-12-10 07:14 PM |
#108 |
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"....than AIDS"??? |
iris27 |
Apr-12-10 06:26 PM |
#71 |
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Please STOP. It's a terrible and hurtful habit. |
pnwmom |
Apr-12-10 06:59 PM |
#94 |
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+1 n/t |
AngryOldDem |
Apr-13-10 08:21 AM |
#166 |
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Perhaps you need to work on your vocab. nt |
RedCappedBandit |
Apr-12-10 09:06 PM |
#141 |
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And now that you know it is offensive, |
LanternWaste |
Apr-13-10 09:12 AM |
#174 |
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"the word having evolved to mean "lame"" |
jberryhill |
Apr-12-10 05:16 PM |
#15 |
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You could have gotten your point across without the photo. |
BlueStater |
Apr-12-10 06:35 PM |
#77 |
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One of the dictionary definitions of "lame" is "weak." So to use the word lame |
pnwmom |
Apr-12-10 07:16 PM |
#109 |
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It pisses me off. |
Love Bug |
Apr-12-10 05:17 PM |
#16 |
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The word gay has many different meanings to different folks |
npk |
Apr-12-10 05:20 PM |
#18 |
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Not Really. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-12-10 05:29 PM |
#32 |
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Yes, gay used to mean happy. But to say "that homework is so gay" is clearly |
pnwmom |
Apr-12-10 07:04 PM |
#97 |
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I agree with you 100% |
npk |
Apr-12-10 07:39 PM |
#124 |
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I've always heard it used as an adjective... |
snooper2 |
Apr-13-10 09:05 AM |
#172 |
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dupe post due to IE being a shitty piece of software |
snooper2 |
Apr-13-10 09:05 AM |
#173 |
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The answer to "words changing over time"... |
IntravenousDemilo |
Apr-12-10 05:22 PM |
#21 |
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Rethugs have used all those hate words, to ruin their offensiveness. |
Gman2 |
Apr-12-10 05:23 PM |
#23 |
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"That's so ______." I've asked people to substitute a socially unacceptable slang w/ 'gay' before |
Echo In Light |
Apr-12-10 05:25 PM |
#24 |
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And I can't stand 'just sayin', but people use it, and they are not trying |
Obamanaut |
Apr-12-10 05:25 PM |
#25 |
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You poor thing. |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 05:26 PM |
#26 |
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Now that response was so g, er, lame. nt |
Obamanaut |
Apr-12-10 05:31 PM |
#39 |
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It's all I could muster for a post so dismissive of a community as yours was. |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 05:36 PM |
#43 |
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Notice the first line in the OP. |
Obamanaut |
Apr-12-10 05:59 PM |
#56 |
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I guess Bluebear was hoping he might find democratic |
muffin1 |
Apr-12-10 06:45 PM |
#83 |
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Nothing surprises me here anymore, love. |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 06:56 PM |
#91 |
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I know. I only wish I WAS surprised. |
muffin1 |
Apr-12-10 07:37 PM |
#120 |
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you got my support too ,bluebear |
mitchtv |
Apr-12-10 10:31 PM |
#149 |
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We know what you think now. And we know you're an insensitive boor. |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 06:52 PM |
#87 |
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just sayin' nt |
Obamanaut |
Apr-12-10 06:54 PM |
#89 |
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Just sayin' you're off to the ignore pile. What a jerk. |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 06:55 PM |
#90 |
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Had To Jump In Somwehere |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Apr-13-10 05:37 AM |
#162 |
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Your attitude makes me sick. |
muffin1 |
Apr-12-10 07:44 PM |
#128 |
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If you know it is offensive to gay people, why would you still |
Shell Beau |
Apr-12-10 05:38 PM |
#44 |
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You People In the Just Sayin' Community Have It Rough. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-12-10 05:31 PM |
#40 |
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Yeah, that's the same... |
muffin1 |
Apr-12-10 05:33 PM |
#41 |
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You are as insensitive to gays as your namesake. |
VMI Dem |
Apr-12-10 06:29 PM |
#73 |
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+1 |
muffin1 |
Apr-12-10 06:46 PM |
#84 |
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+1 |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 06:53 PM |
#88 |
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That's not analogous. "That's so gay" connects the word "gay" with something negative. |
pnwmom |
Apr-12-10 07:07 PM |
#98 |
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gosh, that's almost the same thing |
fishwax |
Apr-12-10 07:50 PM |
#130 |
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What precisely is insulting about the phrase, "just sayin'..."? |
LanternWaste |
Apr-13-10 09:14 AM |
#175 |
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I avoid both "gay" and "lame" as an insult. As a professional writer and editor, I make myself and |
Brickbat |
Apr-12-10 05:26 PM |
#27 |
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How can gay being equivalent to lame not be offensive? |
Shell Beau |
Apr-12-10 05:30 PM |
#34 |
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Precisely |
Echo In Light |
Apr-12-10 05:30 PM |
#36 |
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Cue calls of "everyone is too PC" and "poutrage" and "looking to be offended" |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 05:40 PM |
#45 |
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I agree things can get too PC from time to time, but if someone is |
Shell Beau |
Apr-12-10 05:48 PM |
#52 |
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Agreed. |
wakemewhenitsover |
Apr-12-10 05:31 PM |
#37 |
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yes, it's horrible. sadly, the youth tend to say it because they're less educated, they need |
Divine Discontent |
Apr-12-10 05:36 PM |
#42 |
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And Jon Stewart's got people calling each other "pussies" and "douches." nt |
Captain Hilts |
Apr-12-10 06:12 PM |
#61 |
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pussies? that's not cool. I don't watch him (no cable) but he should know better. |
Divine Discontent |
Apr-12-10 07:12 PM |
#105 |
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For as much as I love Jon, he really is fairly clueless in the sexism and racism departments. |
iris27 |
Apr-12-10 07:24 PM |
#112 |
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I'm starting to think he's just insensitive. How can he not know? I don't see the show often |
Captain Hilts |
Apr-13-10 08:45 AM |
#168 |
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I hate it. |
donco6 |
Apr-12-10 05:45 PM |
#50 |
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My 14 y/o great niece joined the FB group against using 'so gay' as an insult. Good for her! n/t |
CurtEastPoint |
Apr-12-10 05:52 PM |
#54 |
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That's fantastic. I'm sure you've told her how proud you are of her. |
muffin1 |
Apr-12-10 05:57 PM |
#55 |
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Something I like to tell people: |
Dr Morbius |
Apr-12-10 05:59 PM |
#57 |
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I call it "teacher voice." |
donco6 |
Apr-12-10 06:03 PM |
#58 |
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I hate it too, but |
d_r |
Apr-12-10 06:04 PM |
#59 |
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And it's sexist to insult a man by calling him a "pussy" or "douche" but no one cares. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Apr-12-10 06:11 PM |
#60 |
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Yeah. You're right. |
BlueStater |
Apr-12-10 06:22 PM |
#67 |
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Wow! I didn't know the 'lame' thing either. I've picked that one up here. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Apr-12-10 06:24 PM |
#68 |
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I think there's a difference, though. |
BlueStater |
Apr-12-10 06:28 PM |
#72 |
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Lame is popular with the equine crowd |
mitchtv |
Apr-12-10 10:40 PM |
#152 |
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"lame". I hadn't heard that was incorrect. I've always use things like |
madinmaryland |
Apr-12-10 07:08 PM |
#102 |
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It equates physical impairment - lameness - with negativity. |
Dr Morbius |
Apr-12-10 07:39 PM |
#122 |
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I hadn't thought of actually associating lame with disabled people, assuming |
madinmaryland |
Apr-12-10 08:58 PM |
#137 |
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I guess now I will have to say it is a "piss-poor" excuse. |
madinmaryland |
Apr-12-10 08:59 PM |
#138 |
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Lame means "weak," according to my dictionary. |
pnwmom |
Apr-14-10 06:47 PM |
#188 |
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i think we call them disabled now because lame was so offensive, so its confusng! |
bettyellen |
Apr-12-10 07:58 PM |
#134 |
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Lame also means "weak," as in a "lame argument." The word gay doesn't mean weak. n/t |
pnwmom |
Apr-12-10 07:19 PM |
#111 |
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Or even a girl |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-12-10 06:33 PM |
#76 |
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Yes! WHAT could be worse than being called a 'girl'!!! Good point. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Apr-12-10 06:38 PM |
#80 |
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Some of us care. nt |
iris27 |
Apr-12-10 07:17 PM |
#110 |
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Keep the faith, Iris27! |
Captain Hilts |
Apr-12-10 10:28 PM |
#147 |
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I know some otherswise smart people (or thought they were) who say that... |
Whisp |
Apr-12-10 06:16 PM |
#62 |
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LOL...I initially read your first sentence as "I'm just curious what you GAYS think about it". :) |
iris27 |
Apr-12-10 06:17 PM |
#63 |
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i get on people at work when they use it |
fizzgig |
Apr-12-10 06:26 PM |
#69 |
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Good comeback. Thanks. n/t |
Qutzupalotl |
Apr-12-10 06:47 PM |
#86 |
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Good for you! I have stopped total strangers in a stre to tell them off for it. |
Lisa0825 |
Apr-12-10 07:43 PM |
#127 |
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"what exactly was homosexual about the situation" is a VERY good comeback. |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-10 10:43 PM |
#153 |
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I don't let it go uncorrected |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-12-10 06:32 PM |
#75 |
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I've said it before. Not as an insult but because whatever it was - was totally gay! |
devilgrrl |
Apr-12-10 06:46 PM |
#85 |
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The banality of evil. It may be mindless but it's contemtptible. nt |
Smarmie Doofus |
Apr-12-10 07:11 PM |
#103 |
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It's homophobic, it's offensive, it should not be tolerated. n/t |
Unvanguard |
Apr-12-10 07:31 PM |
#115 |
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I think it's terrible. nt. |
WeekendWarrior |
Apr-12-10 07:31 PM |
#116 |
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I think it is an insult |
ccharles000 |
Apr-12-10 07:38 PM |
#121 |
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I continue to use "gay" in its original meaning. |
timtom |
Apr-12-10 07:40 PM |
#125 |
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As in John Denver singing "sunshine on my shoulder makes me happy, sunshine on my shoulder makes me |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-10 10:45 PM |
#154 |
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The majority of gays here have said it's offensive. |
donco6 |
Apr-12-10 07:54 PM |
#131 |
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All you need to know. |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 08:06 PM |
#136 |
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+1 with sadness. nt |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-10 10:45 PM |
#155 |
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All you ever need to know about their character. |
myrna minx |
Apr-13-10 09:33 AM |
#176 |
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It is vile |
guitar man |
Apr-12-10 07:58 PM |
#133 |
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It is used as a negative...which makes it bad...nt |
and-justice-for-all |
Apr-12-10 09:00 PM |
#139 |
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I don't think teenagers think about it too much.... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Apr-12-10 09:06 PM |
#140 |
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They don't, but they should -- and will, if approached about it. The best is |
pnwmom |
Apr-12-10 10:17 PM |
#146 |
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Yes, it's offensive |
TuxedoKat |
Apr-12-10 09:47 PM |
#143 |
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Then there's the word "dumb". |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Apr-12-10 10:05 PM |
#144 |
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Another word I hate: "Spaz", it's a reference to a person with Cerebral Palsy. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-12-10 10:06 PM |
#145 |
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My mom was wonderful, had MS. She tripped once, friend said "are you spastic?"in one of those voices |
uppityperson |
Apr-12-10 10:31 PM |
#150 |
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I hate that term as well. |
Bluebear |
Apr-12-10 10:46 PM |
#156 |
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I am amused |
Codeine |
Apr-13-10 12:09 AM |
#158 |
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There was an "irregardless" thread? Pet peeve of mine...glad I missed it. |
TokenQueer |
Apr-13-10 07:23 AM |
#163 |
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they're not really similar issues at all |
fishwax |
Apr-13-10 10:09 AM |
#179 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-13-10 12:21 AM |
#159 |
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The meaning of words does change over time |
JoeyT |
Apr-13-10 02:15 AM |
#160 |
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Depends who's saying it. I've mostly given up being offended by it. |
Prism |
Apr-13-10 07:45 AM |
#164 |
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Interesting point re: it being a youth-up construct. (nt) |
redqueen |
Apr-13-10 11:36 AM |
#183 |
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It's probably not the best thing to say but... |
bamacrat |
Apr-13-10 08:52 AM |
#169 |
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This thread has scores of LGBT people telling you it has *not* lost all meaning. |
myrna minx |
Apr-13-10 09:35 AM |
#177 |
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I don't say it to them or in front of them. So... |
bamacrat |
Apr-13-10 10:42 AM |
#181 |
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Then exactly what do you mean |
muffin1 |
Apr-13-10 12:10 PM |
#186 |
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Well many things.... |
bamacrat |
Apr-14-10 12:13 AM |
#187 |
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So, when you use 'gay' to refer to something stupid, |
muffin1 |
Apr-15-10 10:13 AM |
#191 |
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I stopped using it many years ago |
slackmaster |
Apr-13-10 09:05 AM |
#171 |
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Just had this conversation w my 13 yo, who isn't homophobic. |
mod mom |
Apr-13-10 09:42 AM |
#178 |
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I agree. The same thing happened talking to a teen I know. |
pnwmom |
Apr-14-10 06:49 PM |
#189 |
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According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the negative use of "gay" goes back to 1978 |
Love Bug |
Apr-13-10 11:33 AM |
#182 |
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