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Mon Apr-12-10 11:43 AM
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| 61. I'm sorry you can't open your mind long enough to realize |
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it wasn't all about slavery.
Here's something simply put:
Most of the men who fought in the Civil War on the South were too poor to own slaves. Do you really think they were fighting for Mr. Richy Rich to own slaves? No. They were fighting for a cause they believed in - state's rights.
Now, there's a legitimate argument that can be made that the ruling elite in the South came up with the state's rights issues to lure in the poor as cannon fodder, but, these poor weren't fighting for slavery (or didn't believe they were) - they, in their minds, were fighting for state's rights.
FWIW, I don't think the Iraqi War was justified - and you totally missed my point. The point is that the US military cannot go into Iraq or Afghanistan LEGALLY and tear it apart and leave it for the native people to clean up. It's banned under the Geneva Convention. The North should have given similar consideration to the Southern people after their side surrendered (yes, I realize Geneva wasn't around, but it's cause makes good sense).
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| -Who is MS is more likely to have a rebel flag on their truck? |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 10:36 AM |
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you pretend that these yahoos actually know their history... |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 10:40 AM |
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I am from Biloxi |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 10:44 AM |
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so he wants his reparations? |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 10:49 AM |
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What reparations? |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 10:56 AM |
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But these same southerners can't see how they are currently being taken advantage of... |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:02 AM |
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They are being taken advantage of |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:04 AM |
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They are just having rights taken and being driven deeper into poverty... |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:08 AM |
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That's a great tactic |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:28 AM |
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The repukes lie to your face... |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:48 AM |
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Who is ridiculing the south? |
merh |
Apr-12-10 11:45 AM |
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+1 nt |
Obamanaut |
Apr-12-10 11:03 AM |
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I don't regard anyone as a second class citizen. |
NutmegYankee |
Apr-12-10 11:07 AM |
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You pretend you know something about the South. |
Kalyke |
Apr-12-10 11:06 AM |
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If the red headed step child would stop fighting against his own best interest... |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:15 AM |
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Well, if the red-headed step-child were given some educational tools - |
Kalyke |
Apr-12-10 11:26 AM |
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If the red -headed boy would stop voting republican... |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:29 AM |
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I know this and you know this, but Mr. & Mrs. Red-Head with |
Kalyke |
Apr-12-10 11:36 AM |
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that's bullshit... |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:39 AM |
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Mississippi legislature and most Mississippi sheriffs offices |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:26 AM |
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a whipping boy like California? |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:28 AM |
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Not all of California gets "whipped." |
Kalyke |
Apr-12-10 11:33 AM |
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who are your quotes by? |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:45 AM |
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What quotes? |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:52 AM |
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"treason", "hicks" and "rednecks"... |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:54 AM |
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Well, let's think |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:56 AM |
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Ok?... |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:57 AM |
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Well, if we go back to 2004 |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 12:03 PM |
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first of all - Dean said he wanted to work WITH them... |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 12:50 PM |
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The Treason line is factual. It is recorded history. |
NutmegYankee |
Apr-12-10 12:17 PM |
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Gene Taylor and Travis Childers are far far to the right of the national party |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-12-10 01:01 PM |
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But they tend to vote Democratic on economic issues |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 02:16 PM |
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Taylor isn't anywhere near the traditional southern populism of say Huey Long or even Jimmy Carter |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-12-10 02:41 PM |
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If he had voted for that health bill he would have been defeated |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 02:49 PM |
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I'm sure he would have |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-12-10 02:59 PM |
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"corporate owned socially liberal DLC'er" |
iris27 |
Apr-12-10 03:39 PM |
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Gene Taylor is a corporate owned DLCer |
merh |
Apr-12-10 07:02 PM |
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And that itself is IMO enough to vote for him over his Republican alternative given the district |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-12-10 08:36 PM |
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The only reason I ever vote for Taylor is because he is just |
merh |
Apr-12-10 08:56 PM |
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It's a two way street |
MattBaggins |
Apr-12-10 02:13 PM |
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for the record |
merh |
Apr-12-10 09:11 PM |
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Well as a fellow Southerner.... |
MicaelS |
Apr-12-10 11:22 AM |
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That's still not all that recent. |
Kalyke |
Apr-12-10 11:27 AM |
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So why don't we treat Bostonians poorly? |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:38 AM |
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These Bostonians? |
QC |
Apr-12-10 02:46 PM |
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The USA does not have to apologize to traitors. |
NutmegYankee |
Apr-12-10 10:43 AM |
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And when a Southern white sees that attitude |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 10:44 AM |
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And this Proud American presumes they hate their country when that happens. |
NutmegYankee |
Apr-12-10 10:49 AM |
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Which makes for wonderful comedy |
izzybeans |
Apr-12-10 10:50 AM |
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That Southern white is an asshole |
JVS |
Apr-12-10 12:01 PM |
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Well, fuck those traitorous infants. |
cliffordu |
Apr-12-10 01:12 PM |
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No, when a Southern white who is obsessed about the Confederacy sees that ... |
TexasObserver |
Apr-12-10 02:56 PM |
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As excuse #5,000 for flying that rebel flag. That person doesn't listen to reason, |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 02:58 PM |
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OK, Reconstruction..., except for one glaring omission... |
MicaelS |
Apr-12-10 10:46 AM |
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Just because there was a war |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 10:51 AM |
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Sure it did. |
WeDidIt |
Apr-12-10 11:00 AM |
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So that means that? |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:07 AM |
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Do you see a lot of swastika flags flying on gov. buildings in Germany these days? |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:22 AM |
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Hitler lost |
WeDidIt |
Apr-12-10 12:04 PM |
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So it's right when you win? |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 12:06 PM |
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Yes. |
WeDidIt |
Apr-12-10 01:05 PM |
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Bullshit. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-12-10 11:05 AM |
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Brooks-Baxter War |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:10 AM |
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From the Wiki you referenced. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-12-10 11:28 AM |
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Government by the klan? Really? |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:35 AM |
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A Klan by any other name... nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-12-10 12:25 PM |
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Let me tell you something... |
MicaelS |
Apr-12-10 11:10 AM |
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Just because there was a war??? So, those traitors were to be |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 11:16 AM |
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Its what Lincoln was gonna do |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:36 AM |
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At the time I imagine they wanted the war to end in 1865 and not 1896 or something |
Posteritatis |
Apr-12-10 01:15 PM |
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You're exactly right. There was much discussion of exactly how to |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 01:50 PM |
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From what I remember from history class, those "armed bands of citizens" were the KKK... |
Cleobulus |
Apr-12-10 12:57 PM |
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Where I grew up it was likely some dude whose family heritage was north of |
izzybeans |
Apr-12-10 10:48 AM |
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I think the whole thing is about a black man taking a "white man's job".... |
Bigmack |
Apr-12-10 10:49 AM |
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"it hurts our side more than it hurts the GOP" |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-12-10 10:49 AM |
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Democratic Party |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 10:53 AM |
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Right. And the war wasn't really about slavery, either. |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 10:56 AM |
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Best response in the thread |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-12-10 11:00 AM |
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Lemme guess. |
Kalyke |
Apr-12-10 11:14 AM |
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Actually, the folks who believe the war was fought for reasons other than slavery |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 11:22 AM |
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I'm sorry you can't open your mind long enough to realize |
Kalyke |
Apr-12-10 11:43 AM |
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No, they were fighting because a bunch of RICH white men |
MicaelS |
Apr-12-10 11:51 AM |
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That's exactly what happened. And it IS still going on today. nt |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 11:54 AM |
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I have met many people in my life |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 12:00 PM |
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Heritage of what? |
NutmegYankee |
Apr-12-10 12:09 PM |
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All Mississippians had to do was read their own declaration of secession: |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 01:28 PM |
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A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union. |
NutmegYankee |
Apr-12-10 11:27 AM |
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But...but...but slavery had NOTHING to do with it! nt |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-12-10 12:59 PM |
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The Mississippi Declaration of Secession: |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 01:06 PM |
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Sensitive bastards for a bunch of manly men, aren't we? |
TacticalPeek |
Apr-12-10 10:57 AM |
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Good post, and I mostly agree with your analysis. |
superduperfarleft |
Apr-12-10 11:07 AM |
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Hysterical cries of treason??? What part of attacking the United States |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 11:12 AM |
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What does screaming "treason" accomplish? |
superduperfarleft |
Apr-12-10 11:15 AM |
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I live here now and was born here and I'm not excusing the South's |
Kalyke |
Apr-12-10 11:20 AM |
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And those the republicans give lip service to |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-12-10 12:56 PM |
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I disliked the OPs use of "apology". |
NutmegYankee |
Apr-12-10 11:14 AM |
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Most Americans learn about Southern segregation |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:17 AM |
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Even bigger is ethnic hatred (irish, italians, etc). |
NutmegYankee |
Apr-12-10 11:19 AM |
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It's the southern action of voting republican that indicates lower intelligence |
lame54 |
Apr-12-10 11:24 AM |
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When you call someone dumb for how they vote |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:41 AM |
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More Southern revisionist history |
MadHound |
Apr-12-10 11:32 AM |
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+1 nt |
NutmegYankee |
Apr-12-10 11:37 AM |
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+ + |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-12-10 03:05 PM |
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I find it interesting that there is so much concern for how the |
CBR |
Apr-12-10 11:39 AM |
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Great point |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-12-10 11:55 AM |
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It's the symbolism. |
KatyMan |
Apr-12-10 11:39 AM |
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So when Lynyrd Skynyrd, Charlie Daniels and all those Southern rock bands |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 11:44 AM |
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Their intentions may of course be benign, and in the cases |
KatyMan |
Apr-12-10 12:05 PM |
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At the very least it means that the members of those particular bands |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 01:53 PM |
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Here's something fer ya |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-12-10 11:44 AM |
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Dear South: |
Arugula Latte |
Apr-12-10 11:58 AM |
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When I see the Confederate flag, it screams implied racism. |
Lucian |
Apr-12-10 12:00 PM |
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The main problem in the South today is looking to be a victim. |
nealmhughes |
Apr-12-10 12:05 PM |
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Great post |
mochajava666 |
Apr-12-10 01:54 PM |
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Define which flag you are talking about... |
Cleobulus |
Apr-12-10 12:47 PM |
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Quantrill. |
cliffordu |
Apr-12-10 01:06 PM |
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Or, fort pillow.... |
cliffordu |
Apr-12-10 01:09 PM |
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OR, Andersonville, which, as I recall was one of the motivators for the |
cliffordu |
Apr-12-10 01:11 PM |
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OMG. I didn't know about that. Thank you for teaching me something today. |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 01:33 PM |
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Gladly... |
cliffordu |
Apr-12-10 04:36 PM |
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The South are the sorest losers in the history of the Earth |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-12-10 01:27 PM |
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I really feel for Democrats in the South. Every time I go home I thank |
DevonRex |
Apr-12-10 01:31 PM |
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Re: the Butler calumny - |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-12-10 01:46 PM |
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Freedom of Speech |
terrell9584 |
Apr-12-10 02:37 PM |
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It's called 'martial law'. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-12-10 02:44 PM |
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First amendment did not cover them |
NutmegYankee |
Apr-12-10 03:25 PM |
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As many a WINNER has said to many a LOSER; FUCK THEM |
CBGLuthier |
Apr-12-10 02:45 PM |
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He may consider himself a Democrat, but I'll bet he doesn't vote Democratic. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-12-10 02:50 PM |
#115 |
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