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Sat Apr-10-10 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #127 |
| 140. You weren't quoting me as I never said that, nor did I personally attack you... |
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I gave you examples of where you had been speculating in this thread, and don't think that believing that some revolting creature who not only abandons a child she adopted, but unoficially deports him, is a piece of crap isn't a personal attack on you unless you are that woman...
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| -Family sends 7 year old adopted boy back to Russia on one-way flight - alone. |
Contrary1 |
Apr-09-10 01:57 PM |
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Horrid. Not only is this irresponsible, but it screws up the chances |
babylonsister |
Apr-09-10 01:59 PM |
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Although this was wrong - there are issues on both sides of these adoptions |
LynneSin |
Apr-09-10 03:12 PM |
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most of these kids were kept in cribs without people touching them |
roguevalley |
Apr-09-10 10:57 PM |
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So sad, all the way around. |
Brickbat |
Apr-09-10 02:01 PM |
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Wow. I'll chip in for a one way ticket for the family. |
jobycom |
Apr-09-10 02:01 PM |
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While I agree with the fact to send this kid back alone is unacceptable |
MadHound |
Apr-09-10 02:02 PM |
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Sadly, not just Russians, but Koreans, Chinese, and all the other hip and trendy adoption countries. |
Rabrrrrrr |
Apr-09-10 02:06 PM |
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I think that is the real problem in this country, our adaption process is absolutely insane |
MadHound |
Apr-09-10 02:11 PM |
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Adoption. |
Doremus |
Apr-09-10 03:28 PM |
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It is not as easy to adopt a healthy baby or toddler here as you think, |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 02:15 PM |
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That IS what I said - you must not have read my the whole post. |
Rabrrrrrr |
Apr-09-10 02:17 PM |
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I read your whole post twice but I still don't see where you addressed this issue. |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 02:29 PM |
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I apologize - I figured "fucked up" was quicker and more emphatic than a dissertation |
Rabrrrrrr |
Apr-09-10 02:38 PM |
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This wasn't a baby or a toddler. the kid was 7. |
walldude |
Apr-09-10 02:30 PM |
#34 |
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I was responding to the earlier comment that suggested that parents |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 02:39 PM |
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Oops..my apologies.. |
walldude |
Apr-09-10 02:42 PM |
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Orphanages in India are scamming church members here in Houston. |
elehhhhna |
Apr-09-10 03:38 PM |
#61 |
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adoption in the USA |
flpab |
Apr-09-10 04:43 PM |
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Some of us don't qulify for infants in the USA. Age, perhaps, like being 40, make it impossible |
uppityperson |
Apr-10-10 02:51 AM |
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Oh. I'm sure there's a lot of truth in that. |
tblue |
Apr-09-10 02:10 PM |
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Rather than blame all Americans who adopt, Russia might blame the vetting of the adoptive mother. |
damntexdem |
Apr-09-10 02:18 PM |
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Or perhaps vetting the adoptive mother of the medical history of the child |
LynneSin |
Apr-09-10 04:09 PM |
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Got a link for that assertion? n/t |
joeybee12 |
Apr-09-10 02:19 PM |
#22 |
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Here is one outlining some of the problems I just mentioned, |
MadHound |
Apr-09-10 02:29 PM |
#33 |
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I also know about it personally, so if you don't want to believe me, |
joeybee12 |
Apr-09-10 02:31 PM |
#36 |
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What, are you from Russia? n/t |
MadHound |
Apr-09-10 02:35 PM |
#40 |
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Nope...n/t |
joeybee12 |
Apr-09-10 02:47 PM |
#49 |
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Here's a link with many more details. |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 02:21 PM |
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Nope. A friend adopted a Russian boy a few years back...the process |
joeybee12 |
Apr-09-10 02:24 PM |
#26 |
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Believe what you want to, |
MadHound |
Apr-09-10 02:33 PM |
#38 |
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No, you're making excuses...and quite frankly, you seem very eager to |
joeybee12 |
Apr-09-10 02:34 PM |
#39 |
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I guess you missed the parts where I said |
MadHound |
Apr-09-10 02:48 PM |
#50 |
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Having worked at an organization that helped facilitate adoptions from Russia, |
Brickbat |
Apr-09-10 02:58 PM |
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Yeah, that was the little bit tacked on the end after blaming the Russians... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-09-10 04:02 PM |
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No, he doesn't. But you seem very eager to condemn her. Must be nice to |
pnwmom |
Apr-10-10 07:34 AM |
#128 |
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Most people do have an issue with people who abandon children like that woman did... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-10-10 08:21 PM |
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I agree that she handled the return poorly. But I'm wondering why there isn't |
pnwmom |
Apr-10-10 11:36 PM |
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Probably because everyone is focused on her appalling actions. |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-10 12:42 AM |
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This woman could have worked with her agency to have the adoption disrupted |
marshall |
Apr-11-10 09:00 AM |
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Two problems, theres and ours |
kickysnana |
Apr-09-10 04:11 PM |
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kickysnana |
Diclotican |
Apr-09-10 09:20 PM |
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I adopted a child.. not from Russia but I have an adopted son |
walldude |
Apr-09-10 02:27 PM |
#31 |
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well, russians are the right - |
mzteris |
Apr-09-10 02:39 PM |
#45 |
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How have people gotten burned by this? |
truedelphi |
Apr-09-10 03:00 PM |
#54 |
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Yup. I was going to say the same |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-09-10 03:25 PM |
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I assume you have some strong evidence for everything you say??? |
MindandSoul |
Apr-09-10 09:06 PM |
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I said last night the parents are rigthwing "Christians" or Orange County "accessory-wanters". |
Rabrrrrrr |
Apr-09-10 02:04 PM |
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That could account for the kid's psychological problems. |
immoderate |
Apr-09-10 04:17 PM |
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++++ you said exactly what I was thinking. |
Mother Smuckers |
Apr-11-10 07:00 PM |
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Poor little boy. It may well be true that he suffers from psych issues from |
TwilightGardener |
Apr-09-10 02:05 PM |
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Didn't they get to take the kid for a test-drive before they brought him home? |
Blue-Jay |
Apr-09-10 02:06 PM |
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It might be hard to tell with a child who doesn't speak English, |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 02:11 PM |
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A friend adopted a Russina boy...twice she had to fly over there and |
joeybee12 |
Apr-09-10 02:27 PM |
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Yep. I know four couples who adopted from China. |
wickerwoman |
Apr-10-10 04:14 AM |
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Russia will put up for adoption the children it wants the least. |
theoldman |
Apr-09-10 02:07 PM |
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I don't think that person was a mother. n/t |
EFerrari |
Apr-09-10 02:13 PM |
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I've read alot about this (I'm an aunt to 2 Russian adopted children) |
LynneSin |
Apr-09-10 04:05 PM |
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No doubt a person should be prepared for that kind of commitment |
EFerrari |
Apr-09-10 07:13 PM |
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exactly |
rebecca_herman |
Apr-09-10 08:26 PM |
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Yes, it sounds like both sides are very wrong... |
CoffeeCat |
Apr-09-10 04:14 PM |
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I didn't read the details about the child's psychopathic issues, |
TheDebbieDee |
Apr-09-10 02:08 PM |
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Whatever the kid's characteristics, they don't justify what was done to him. |
damntexdem |
Apr-09-10 02:23 PM |
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Maybe not...we're taking the word of a woman who lied to a 7-year-old and |
joeybee12 |
Apr-09-10 02:25 PM |
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holy shit... |
Blue_Tires |
Apr-09-10 02:08 PM |
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She's a nurse |
WolverineDG |
Apr-09-10 06:46 PM |
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Those services would have required her to be financially responsible for the child |
marshall |
Apr-11-10 04:44 PM |
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Russian Orphanage workers and the director may have been lied to and misled ... |
damntexdem |
Apr-09-10 02:13 PM |
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She or they should be charged with child endangerment. |
EFerrari |
Apr-09-10 02:14 PM |
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They apparently thought Russia was fucking Wal-Mart |
walldude |
Apr-09-10 02:17 PM |
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It's legal to put a 7 year old on a plane, as long as there is someone to pick |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 02:26 PM |
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No, the big problem is they lied to the kid...told him he was going |
joeybee12 |
Apr-09-10 02:30 PM |
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Where does it say that? n/t |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 02:36 PM |
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Try reading the article to get a sense that she's worthless garbage... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-09-10 04:12 PM |
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I don't know enough to defend her or attack her. |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 05:41 PM |
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There's enough in the article to show she's a disgusting individual... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-09-10 06:35 PM |
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Since I don't watch or read FOX, I missed that quote. |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 08:02 PM |
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I don't watch or read it either, but I do read posts in this thread which is where it was... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-09-10 10:41 PM |
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Wrong. I don't accept what she's saying NOR do I disbelieve her. Unlike you, |
pnwmom |
Apr-10-10 07:40 AM |
#129 |
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It is not a matter of believing or not |
azurnoir |
Apr-10-10 11:12 AM |
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Neither the US nor Russia is a party to the international treaty that would have |
pnwmom |
Apr-10-10 01:14 PM |
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wow so anyone can simply dump a trouble some child? n/t |
azurnoir |
Apr-10-10 04:11 PM |
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No. Only someone who's adopted a child from a foreign country, since |
pnwmom |
Apr-10-10 07:15 PM |
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That is not true |
marshall |
Apr-11-10 10:36 AM |
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There is nothing in that paperwork that prevents a person from revoking |
pnwmom |
Apr-11-10 01:22 PM |
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The paperwork MUST be filed BEFORE the child is brought into the United States |
marshall |
Apr-11-10 03:57 PM |
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I just read that the boy only came here last September and the adoption |
pnwmom |
Apr-11-10 06:39 PM |
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This child would have entered the US with an IR-3 Visa |
marshall |
Apr-11-10 06:52 PM |
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OH please spew venom at a women no matter what age |
azurnoir |
Apr-10-10 04:32 PM |
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No, an adopted child is not automatically a US citizen. The parents have to do the paperwork for it. |
Rabrrrrrr |
Apr-10-10 07:01 PM |
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The law changed in 2001 - he is a US Citizen |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-10-10 10:07 PM |
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He was adopted back in the 90s, so clearly didn't fit under the new laws. |
Rabrrrrrr |
Apr-11-10 05:43 AM |
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One of my siblings has adopted 2 children from other countries |
azurnoir |
Apr-10-10 10:15 PM |
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Yet, you did accept what she said in another part of this thread... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-10-10 08:19 PM |
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It doesn't matter what arrangements they made, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-10-10 05:48 AM |
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Actually, on the advice of their attorney, the child was picked up on the other |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 08:08 PM |
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Why are you defending such disgusting actions? |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-09-10 10:47 PM |
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More details here: |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 02:22 PM |
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Conflicting infor on the adoptive mother. She is either a 26 or 34 yr old nurse, single mother |
notadmblnd |
Apr-09-10 02:27 PM |
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That poor kid! |
supernova |
Apr-09-10 02:32 PM |
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"...I no longer wish to parent this child." (HINT: Parents don't say that, posers do) |
Poll_Blind |
Apr-09-10 02:38 PM |
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Assholes I know who live in NorCal adopted a Russian orphan and I swear... |
Hepburn |
Apr-09-10 02:41 PM |
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How awful. |
Liberal_in_LA |
Apr-09-10 02:46 PM |
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even if everything the mother and grandmother alleges is true, they fuct up. |
aikoaiko |
Apr-09-10 02:52 PM |
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It was pretty heartless, but where was the child endangerment? |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 08:13 PM |
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The Russian ministry wasn't notified to accept the child before hand. |
aikoaiko |
Apr-09-10 08:24 PM |
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A lawyer was involved. It is possible that they knew that the Ministry |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 09:14 PM |
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Ok, its true that I know very little, but if the adoptive parents sent the child back without having |
aikoaiko |
Apr-09-10 09:35 PM |
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That'd be the same lawyer who suggested abandoning the child? |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-09-10 11:13 PM |
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I'm not putting a positive spin on it or trying to make it acceptable. |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 11:30 PM |
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But all you've done throughout this thread is put up speculation to try to justify her doing it... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-09-10 11:39 PM |
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I'm not "putting up speculation." I don't know the truth -- just that there are two sides |
pnwmom |
Apr-10-10 01:07 AM |
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Of course you've been speculating away in this thread. Here's some examples... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-10-10 01:21 AM |
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You've spotted me, have you? Oh dear. n/t |
pnwmom |
Apr-10-10 02:11 AM |
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Huh? Now yr not making any sense... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-10-10 02:29 AM |
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I'm quoting you; maybe you should read your own post. But people who feel shaky on logic |
pnwmom |
Apr-10-10 07:28 AM |
#127 |
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You weren't quoting me as I never said that, nor did I personally attack you... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-10-10 08:13 PM |
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7 yr old children are not put on long flights like that all alone every day- are you crazy? |
Tumbulu |
Apr-11-10 12:55 AM |
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I can't even imagine what that would be like. |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-10 01:08 AM |
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especially if he is disturbed as claimed |
Tumbulu |
Apr-11-10 01:14 AM |
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I don't understand how this could even happen after going through the ordeal of sending my kids |
mod mom |
Apr-09-10 02:58 PM |
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the parents should be criminally charged |
cali |
Apr-09-10 03:02 PM |
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This "mother" is the one with severe psychopatic issues! |
MindandSoul |
Apr-09-10 03:22 PM |
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They could have sent him to my daughter in Michigan! |
Michigan-Arizona |
Apr-09-10 03:35 PM |
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Cry for the child. Similar to some foreign exchange students. Our family has encountered, and in one |
patrice |
Apr-09-10 03:54 PM |
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Did she at least give him a pack of smokes for the flight? /nt |
jberryhill |
Apr-09-10 04:10 PM |
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She was a "nurse"???!!! I'd hate to have to rely on her for care. What a monster!!! |
cutlassmama |
Apr-09-10 04:44 PM |
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I wonder if he has an attachment disorder. |
tammywammy |
Apr-09-10 07:20 PM |
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In Minnesota an adopted Russian child recently took a gun to school |
The Velveteen Ocelot |
Apr-09-10 08:18 PM |
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That's a horrific story |
Abq_Sarah |
Apr-10-10 03:43 AM |
#120 |
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I've actually worked and been in a Russian orphanage. |
knitter4democracy |
Apr-09-10 08:23 PM |
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This rejection is not likely to help the poor kid's emotional development either! |
DailyGrind51 |
Apr-09-10 08:34 PM |
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Compassion is wonderful, but not everyone can deal with a severely disturbed |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 09:20 PM |
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I'm going to judge the fact that this 7 yr. old was put on a plane like |
Bluerthanblue |
Apr-09-10 09:56 PM |
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Couldn't have put it better myself... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-09-10 11:08 PM |
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What would support the child endangerment charges? |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 11:33 PM |
#101 |
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Are you a lawyer? |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-09-10 11:49 PM |
#105 |
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This child is a US CITIZEN |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-10-10 05:37 AM |
#123 |
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Thank you no one here seemed to recognize that fact |
azurnoir |
Apr-10-10 10:42 AM |
#132 |
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On edit, it's not clear if the adoption was final. |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-10 12:56 AM |
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The adoption was finalized in Russia |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-11-10 03:21 AM |
#156 |
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I'm going by what's in the article, and the authorities investigating say they don't know. |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-10 04:09 PM |
#167 |
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We are talking about Russia |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-11-10 06:19 PM |
#170 |
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Why are you taking what the woman who dumped that child said as being factual? |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-09-10 11:03 PM |
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How do you know there is no evidence? The woman says that she hadn't been |
pnwmom |
Apr-09-10 11:37 PM |
#102 |
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Because there's none in the OP or any other article posted, that's why... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-09-10 11:44 PM |
#104 |
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The lack of evidence in the media now doesn't constitute proof of anything. n/t |
pnwmom |
Apr-10-10 01:09 AM |
#107 |
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You don't seem to be understanding that the woman making a claim doesn't make it a fact... |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-10-10 01:11 AM |
#108 |
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Of course I do. That's why I say we don't know the truth. n/t |
pnwmom |
Apr-10-10 02:09 AM |
#111 |
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Then you should stick to facts and not make unsubstantiated accusations about the child n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-10-10 02:27 AM |
#114 |
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there is something that only one poster has pointed out |
azurnoir |
Apr-10-10 10:55 AM |
#133 |
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I keep wondering how the child went through customes |
Tumbulu |
Apr-11-10 01:19 AM |
#154 |
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Most likely, he still had a Russian passport |
Art_from_Ark |
Apr-11-10 02:15 AM |
#155 |
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he is still a Russian citizen |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Apr-11-10 03:29 AM |
#157 |
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So, you just put the kid on a plane by himself and ship him back? |
DailyGrind51 |
Apr-10-10 07:00 AM |
#125 |
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This woman is a criminal. She found a stranger on the internet to meet him there, for goodness sake |
Pithlet |
Apr-11-10 12:04 AM |
#148 |
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Contrary1 |
Diclotican |
Apr-09-10 08:53 PM |
#86 |
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Excellent insights |
Blue_Tires |
Apr-10-10 11:14 PM |
#146 |
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I agree so much with you and thank you for writing |
Tumbulu |
Apr-11-10 11:43 AM |
#163 |
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To those against international adoptions |
WilmywoodNCparalegal |
Apr-09-10 08:59 PM |
#87 |
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I'm not certain she could have placed the boy in a facility here. |
pnwmom |
Apr-10-10 01:13 AM |
#109 |
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Even if she tried and couldn't, that doesn't justify what she did to him n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Apr-10-10 02:33 AM |
#117 |
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Wow! Like the kid was a small electronic device from Radio Shack... |
kentuck |
Apr-10-10 02:12 AM |
#113 |
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The child is for sure mentally unstable NOW. |
Rex |
Apr-10-10 02:32 AM |
#116 |
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poor child |
Swamp Rat |
Apr-10-10 02:56 AM |
#119 |
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the lack of compassion by some people can be absolutely astounding . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Apr-10-10 04:10 AM |
#121 |
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Actually - that IS exactly the case! I went to adoption/foster classes |
TankLV |
Apr-10-10 09:22 AM |
#131 |
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I find it odd that the airline would have been okay with this "plan". |
SoCalDem |
Apr-10-10 07:15 AM |
#126 |
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It's horrible on both sides - for the family and the child. |
TankLV |
Apr-10-10 09:15 AM |
#130 |
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I don't care what was "wrong" with this child. |
Shell Beau |
Apr-10-10 08:49 PM |
#143 |
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news said 3 families have volunteered to adopt him. |
Liberal_in_LA |
Apr-12-10 03:04 PM |
#175 |
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Mike Huckabee should personally tell her that children aren't puppies |
Matariki |
Apr-11-10 04:12 AM |
#158 |
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Notice where the failed adoptions are located: Tennessee, Virginia, Utah |
mnhtnbb |
Apr-11-10 05:43 AM |
#160 |
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And note that this adoption was a single parent adoption |
marshall |
Apr-11-10 04:40 PM |
#168 |
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Meh. The kid was an asshole |
Juche |
Apr-11-10 01:35 PM |
#165 |
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ban-schman |
bernynhel |
Apr-12-10 03:02 PM |
#174 |
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