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2. So sad, all the way around.
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  -Family sends 7 year old adopted boy back to Russia on one-way flight - alone. Contrary1  Apr-09-10 01:57 PM   #0 
  - Horrid. Not only is this irresponsible, but it screws up the chances  babylonsister   Apr-09-10 01:59 PM   #1 
  - Although this was wrong - there are issues on both sides of these adoptions  LynneSin   Apr-09-10 03:12 PM   #56 
     - most of these kids were kept in cribs without people touching them  roguevalley   Apr-09-10 10:57 PM   #96 
  - So sad, all the way around.  Brickbat   Apr-09-10 02:01 PM   #2 
  - Wow. I'll chip in for a one way ticket for the family.  jobycom   Apr-09-10 02:01 PM   #3 
  - While I agree with the fact to send this kid back alone is unacceptable  MadHound   Apr-09-10 02:02 PM   #4 
  - Sadly, not just Russians, but Koreans, Chinese, and all the other hip and trendy adoption countries.  Rabrrrrrr   Apr-09-10 02:06 PM   #8 
  - I think that is the real problem in this country, our adaption process is absolutely insane  MadHound   Apr-09-10 02:11 PM   #14 
  - Adoption.  Doremus   Apr-09-10 03:28 PM   #59 
  - It is not as easy to adopt a healthy baby or toddler here as you think,  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 02:15 PM   #18 
  - That IS what I said - you must not have read my the whole post.  Rabrrrrrr   Apr-09-10 02:17 PM   #20 
  - I read your whole post twice but I still don't see where you addressed this issue.  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 02:29 PM   #32 
     - I apologize - I figured "fucked up" was quicker and more emphatic than a dissertation  Rabrrrrrr   Apr-09-10 02:38 PM   #42 
  - This wasn't a baby or a toddler. the kid was 7.  walldude   Apr-09-10 02:30 PM   #34 
     - I was responding to the earlier comment that suggested that parents  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 02:39 PM   #44 
        - apologies..  walldude   Apr-09-10 02:42 PM   #47 
  - Orphanages in India are scamming church members here in Houston.  elehhhhna   Apr-09-10 03:38 PM   #61 
  - adoption in the USA  flpab   Apr-09-10 04:43 PM   #71 
  - Some of us don't qulify for infants in the USA. Age, perhaps, like being 40, make it impossible  uppityperson   Apr-10-10 02:51 AM   #118 
  - Oh. I'm sure there's a lot of truth in that.  tblue   Apr-09-10 02:10 PM   #12 
  - Rather than blame all Americans who adopt, Russia might blame the vetting of the adoptive mother.  damntexdem   Apr-09-10 02:18 PM   #21 
  - Or perhaps vetting the adoptive mother of the medical history of the child  LynneSin   Apr-09-10 04:09 PM   #65 
  - Got a link for that assertion? n/t  joeybee12   Apr-09-10 02:19 PM   #22 
  - Here is one outlining some of the problems I just mentioned,  MadHound   Apr-09-10 02:29 PM   #33 
     - I also know about it personally, so if you don't want to believe me,  joeybee12   Apr-09-10 02:31 PM   #36 
        - What, are you from Russia? n/t  MadHound   Apr-09-10 02:35 PM   #40 
           - Nope...n/t  joeybee12   Apr-09-10 02:47 PM   #49 
  - Here's a link with many more details.  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 02:21 PM   #23 
  - Nope. A friend adopted a Russian boy a few years back...the process  joeybee12   Apr-09-10 02:24 PM   #26 
  - Believe what you want to,  MadHound   Apr-09-10 02:33 PM   #38 
  - No, you're making excuses...and quite frankly, you seem very eager to  joeybee12   Apr-09-10 02:34 PM   #39 
     - I guess you missed the parts where I said  MadHound   Apr-09-10 02:48 PM   #50 
     - Having worked at an organization that helped facilitate adoptions from Russia,  Brickbat   Apr-09-10 02:58 PM   #52 
     - Yeah, that was the little bit tacked on the end after blaming the Russians...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-09-10 04:02 PM   #63 
     - No, he doesn't. But you seem very eager to condemn her. Must be nice to  pnwmom   Apr-10-10 07:34 AM   #128 
        - Most people do have an issue with people who abandon children like that woman did...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-10-10 08:21 PM   #142 
           - I agree that she handled the return poorly. But I'm wondering why there isn't  pnwmom   Apr-10-10 11:36 PM   #147 
           - Probably because everyone is focused on her appalling actions.  Pithlet   Apr-11-10 12:42 AM   #149 
           - This woman could have worked with her agency to have the adoption disrupted  marshall   Apr-11-10 09:00 AM   #161 
  - Two problems, theres and ours  kickysnana   Apr-09-10 04:11 PM   #67 
     - kickysnana  Diclotican   Apr-09-10 09:20 PM   #91 
  - I adopted a child.. not from Russia but I have an adopted son  walldude   Apr-09-10 02:27 PM   #31 
  - well, russians are the right -  mzteris   Apr-09-10 02:39 PM   #45 
  - How have people gotten burned by this?  truedelphi   Apr-09-10 03:00 PM   #54 
  - Yup. I was going to say the same  JerseygirlCT   Apr-09-10 03:25 PM   #58 
  - I assume you have some strong evidence for everything you say???  MindandSoul   Apr-09-10 09:06 PM   #88 
  - I said last night the parents are rigthwing "Christians" or Orange County "accessory-wanters".  Rabrrrrrr   Apr-09-10 02:04 PM   #5 
  - That could account for the kid's psychological problems.  immoderate   Apr-09-10 04:17 PM   #70 
  - ++++ you said exactly what I was thinking.  Mother Smuckers   Apr-11-10 07:00 PM   #173 
  - Poor little boy. It may well be true that he suffers from psych issues from  TwilightGardener   Apr-09-10 02:05 PM   #6 
  - Didn't they get to take the kid for a test-drive before they brought him home?  Blue-Jay   Apr-09-10 02:06 PM   #7 
  - It might be hard to tell with a child who doesn't speak English,  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 02:11 PM   #13 
  - A friend adopted a Russina boy...twice she had to fly over there and  joeybee12   Apr-09-10 02:27 PM   #29 
     - Yep. I know four couples who adopted from China.  wickerwoman   Apr-10-10 04:14 AM   #122 
  - Russia will put up for adoption the children it wants the least.  theoldman   Apr-09-10 02:07 PM   #9 
  - I don't think that person was a mother. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-09-10 02:13 PM   #16 
  - I've read alot about this (I'm an aunt to 2 Russian adopted children)  LynneSin   Apr-09-10 04:05 PM   #64 
     - No doubt a person should be prepared for that kind of commitment  EFerrari   Apr-09-10 07:13 PM   #76 
     - exactly  rebecca_herman   Apr-09-10 08:26 PM   #84 
  - Yes, it sounds like both sides are very wrong...  CoffeeCat   Apr-09-10 04:14 PM   #69 
  - I didn't read the details about the child's psychopathic issues,  TheDebbieDee   Apr-09-10 02:08 PM   #10 
  - Whatever the kid's characteristics, they don't justify what was done to him.  damntexdem   Apr-09-10 02:23 PM   #25 
  - Maybe not...we're taking the word of a woman who lied to a 7-year-old and  joeybee12   Apr-09-10 02:25 PM   #27 
  - holy shit...  Blue_Tires   Apr-09-10 02:08 PM   #11 
  - She's a nurse  WolverineDG   Apr-09-10 06:46 PM   #75 
     - Those services would have required her to be financially responsible for the child  marshall   Apr-11-10 04:44 PM   #169 
  - Russian Orphanage workers and the director may have been lied to and misled ...  damntexdem   Apr-09-10 02:13 PM   #15 
  - She or they should be charged with child endangerment.  EFerrari   Apr-09-10 02:14 PM   #17 
  - They apparently thought Russia was fucking Wal-Mart  walldude   Apr-09-10 02:17 PM   #19 
  - It's legal to put a 7 year old on a plane, as long as there is someone to pick  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 02:26 PM   #28 
     - No, the big problem is they lied to the kid...told him he was going  joeybee12   Apr-09-10 02:30 PM   #35 
     - Where does it say that? n/t  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 02:36 PM   #41 
        - Try reading the article to get a sense that she's worthless garbage...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-09-10 04:12 PM   #68 
           - I don't know enough to defend her or attack her.  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 05:41 PM   #73 
              - There's enough in the article to show she's a disgusting individual...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-09-10 06:35 PM   #74 
                 - Since I don't watch or read FOX, I missed that quote.  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 08:02 PM   #78 
                    - I don't watch or read it either, but I do read posts in this thread which is where it was...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-09-10 10:41 PM   #94 
                       - Wrong. I don't accept what she's saying NOR do I disbelieve her. Unlike you,  pnwmom   Apr-10-10 07:40 AM   #129 
                          - It is not a matter of believing or not  azurnoir   Apr-10-10 11:12 AM   #134 
                          - Neither the US nor Russia is a party to the international treaty that would have  pnwmom   Apr-10-10 01:14 PM   #135 
                             - wow so anyone can simply dump a trouble some child? n/t  azurnoir   Apr-10-10 04:11 PM   #136 
                             - No. Only someone who's adopted a child from a foreign country, since  pnwmom   Apr-10-10 07:15 PM   #139 
                                - That is not true  marshall   Apr-11-10 10:36 AM   #162 
                                   - There is nothing in that paperwork that prevents a person from revoking  pnwmom   Apr-11-10 01:22 PM   #164 
                                      - The paperwork MUST be filed BEFORE the child is brought into the United States  marshall   Apr-11-10 03:57 PM   #166 
                                         - I just read that the boy only came here last September and the adoption  pnwmom   Apr-11-10 06:39 PM   #171 
                                         - This child would have entered the US with an IR-3 Visa  marshall   Apr-11-10 06:52 PM   #172 
                             - OH please spew venom at a women no matter what age  azurnoir   Apr-10-10 04:32 PM   #137 
                                - No, an adopted child is not automatically a US citizen. The parents have to do the paperwork for it.  Rabrrrrrr   Apr-10-10 07:01 PM   #138 
                                   - The law changed in 2001 - he is a US Citizen  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Apr-10-10 10:07 PM   #144 
                                   - He was adopted back in the 90s, so clearly didn't fit under the new laws.  Rabrrrrrr   Apr-11-10 05:43 AM   #159 
                                   - One of my siblings has adopted 2 children from other countries  azurnoir   Apr-10-10 10:15 PM   #145 
                          - Yet, you did accept what she said in another part of this thread...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-10-10 08:19 PM   #141 
     - It doesn't matter what arrangements they made,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Apr-10-10 05:48 AM   #124 
  - Actually, on the advice of their attorney, the child was picked up on the other  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 08:08 PM   #79 
     - Why are you defending such disgusting actions?  Violet_Crumble   Apr-09-10 10:47 PM   #95 
  - More details here:  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 02:22 PM   #24 
  - Conflicting infor on the adoptive mother. She is either a 26 or 34 yr old nurse, single mother  notadmblnd   Apr-09-10 02:27 PM   #30 
  - That poor kid!  supernova   Apr-09-10 02:32 PM   #37 
  - "...I no longer wish to parent this child." (HINT: Parents don't say that, posers do)  Poll_Blind   Apr-09-10 02:38 PM   #43 
  - Assholes I know who live in NorCal adopted a Russian orphan and I swear...  Hepburn   Apr-09-10 02:41 PM   #46 
  - How awful.  Liberal_in_LA   Apr-09-10 02:46 PM   #48 
  - even if everything the mother and grandmother alleges is true, they fuct up.  aikoaiko   Apr-09-10 02:52 PM   #51 
  - It was pretty heartless, but where was the child endangerment?  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 08:13 PM   #80 
     - The Russian ministry wasn't notified to accept the child before hand.  aikoaiko   Apr-09-10 08:24 PM   #83 
     - A lawyer was involved. It is possible that they knew that the Ministry  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 09:14 PM   #89 
        - Ok, its true that I know very little, but if the adoptive parents sent the child back without having  aikoaiko   Apr-09-10 09:35 PM   #92 
        - That'd be the same lawyer who suggested abandoning the child?  Violet_Crumble   Apr-09-10 11:13 PM   #99 
           - I'm not putting a positive spin on it or trying to make it acceptable.  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 11:30 PM   #100 
              - But all you've done throughout this thread is put up speculation to try to justify her doing it...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-09-10 11:39 PM   #103 
                 - I'm not "putting up speculation." I don't know the truth -- just that there are two sides  pnwmom   Apr-10-10 01:07 AM   #106 
                    - Of course you've been speculating away in this thread. Here's some examples...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-10-10 01:21 AM   #110 
                       - You've spotted me, have you? Oh dear. n/t  pnwmom   Apr-10-10 02:11 AM   #112 
                          - Huh? Now yr not making any sense...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-10-10 02:29 AM   #115 
                             - I'm quoting you; maybe you should read your own post. But people who feel shaky on logic  pnwmom   Apr-10-10 07:28 AM   #127 
                                - You weren't quoting me as I never said that, nor did I personally attack you...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-10-10 08:13 PM   #140 
     - 7 yr old children are not put on long flights like that all alone every day- are you crazy?  Tumbulu   Apr-11-10 12:55 AM   #150 
        - I can't even imagine what that would be like.  Pithlet   Apr-11-10 01:08 AM   #152 
           - especially if he is disturbed as claimed  Tumbulu   Apr-11-10 01:14 AM   #153 
  - I don't understand how this could even happen after going through the ordeal of sending my kids  mod mom   Apr-09-10 02:58 PM   #53 
  - the parents should be criminally charged  cali   Apr-09-10 03:02 PM   #55 
  - This "mother" is the one with severe psychopatic issues!  MindandSoul   Apr-09-10 03:22 PM   #57 
  - They could have sent him to my daughter in Michigan!  Michigan-Arizona   Apr-09-10 03:35 PM   #60 
  - Cry for the child. Similar to some foreign exchange students. Our family has encountered, and in one  patrice   Apr-09-10 03:54 PM   #62 
  - Did she at least give him a pack of smokes for the flight? /nt  jberryhill   Apr-09-10 04:10 PM   #66 
  - She was a "nurse"???!!! I'd hate to have to rely on her for care. What a monster!!!  cutlassmama   Apr-09-10 04:44 PM   #72 
  - I wonder if he has an attachment disorder.  tammywammy   Apr-09-10 07:20 PM   #77 
  - In Minnesota an adopted Russian child recently took a gun to school  The Velveteen Ocelot   Apr-09-10 08:18 PM   #81 
  - That's a horrific story  Abq_Sarah   Apr-10-10 03:43 AM   #120 
  - I've actually worked and been in a Russian orphanage.  knitter4democracy   Apr-09-10 08:23 PM   #82 
  - This rejection is not likely to help the poor kid's emotional development either!  DailyGrind51   Apr-09-10 08:34 PM   #85 
  - Compassion is wonderful, but not everyone can deal with a severely disturbed  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 09:20 PM   #90 
     - I'm going to judge the fact that this 7 yr. old was put on a plane like  Bluerthanblue   Apr-09-10 09:56 PM   #93 
     - Couldn't have put it better myself...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-09-10 11:08 PM   #98 
     - What would support the child endangerment charges?  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 11:33 PM   #101 
        - Are you a lawyer?  Violet_Crumble   Apr-09-10 11:49 PM   #105 
        - This child is a US CITIZEN  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Apr-10-10 05:37 AM   #123 
           - Thank you no one here seemed to recognize that fact  azurnoir   Apr-10-10 10:42 AM   #132 
              - On edit, it's not clear if the adoption was final.  Pithlet   Apr-11-10 12:56 AM   #151 
                 - The adoption was finalized in Russia  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Apr-11-10 03:21 AM   #156 
                    - I'm going by what's in the article, and the authorities investigating say they don't know.  Pithlet   Apr-11-10 04:09 PM   #167 
                       - We are talking about Russia  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Apr-11-10 06:19 PM   #170 
     - Why are you taking what the woman who dumped that child said as being factual?  Violet_Crumble   Apr-09-10 11:03 PM   #97 
     - How do you know there is no evidence? The woman says that she hadn't been  pnwmom   Apr-09-10 11:37 PM   #102 
     - Because there's none in the OP or any other article posted, that's why...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-09-10 11:44 PM   #104 
        - The lack of evidence in the media now doesn't constitute proof of anything. n/t  pnwmom   Apr-10-10 01:09 AM   #107 
           - You don't seem to be understanding that the woman making a claim doesn't make it a fact...  Violet_Crumble   Apr-10-10 01:11 AM   #108 
              - Of course I do. That's why I say we don't know the truth. n/t  pnwmom   Apr-10-10 02:09 AM   #111 
                 - Then you should stick to facts and not make unsubstantiated accusations about the child n/t  Violet_Crumble   Apr-10-10 02:27 AM   #114 
     - there is something that only one poster has pointed out  azurnoir   Apr-10-10 10:55 AM   #133 
        - I keep wondering how the child went through customes  Tumbulu   Apr-11-10 01:19 AM   #154 
        - Most likely, he still had a Russian passport  Art_from_Ark   Apr-11-10 02:15 AM   #155 
        - he is still a Russian citizen  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Apr-11-10 03:29 AM   #157 
     - So, you just put the kid on a plane by himself and ship him back?  DailyGrind51   Apr-10-10 07:00 AM   #125 
     - This woman is a criminal. She found a stranger on the internet to meet him there, for goodness sake  Pithlet   Apr-11-10 12:04 AM   #148 
  - Contrary1  Diclotican   Apr-09-10 08:53 PM   #86 
  - Excellent insights  Blue_Tires   Apr-10-10 11:14 PM   #146 
  - I agree so much with you and thank you for writing  Tumbulu   Apr-11-10 11:43 AM   #163 
  - To those against international adoptions  WilmywoodNCparalegal   Apr-09-10 08:59 PM   #87 
  - I'm not certain she could have placed the boy in a facility here.  pnwmom   Apr-10-10 01:13 AM   #109 
     - Even if she tried and couldn't, that doesn't justify what she did to him n/t  Violet_Crumble   Apr-10-10 02:33 AM   #117 
  - Wow! Like the kid was a small electronic device from Radio Shack...  kentuck   Apr-10-10 02:12 AM   #113 
  - The child is for sure mentally unstable NOW.  Rex   Apr-10-10 02:32 AM   #116 
  - poor child  Swamp Rat   Apr-10-10 02:56 AM   #119 
  - the lack of compassion by some people can be absolutely astounding . . .  OneBlueSky   Apr-10-10 04:10 AM   #121 
  - Actually - that IS exactly the case! I went to adoption/foster classes  TankLV   Apr-10-10 09:22 AM   #131 
  - I find it odd that the airline would have been okay with this "plan".  SoCalDem   Apr-10-10 07:15 AM   #126 
  - It's horrible on both sides - for the family and the child.  TankLV   Apr-10-10 09:15 AM   #130 
  - I don't care what was "wrong" with this child.  Shell Beau   Apr-10-10 08:49 PM   #143 
  - news said 3 families have volunteered to adopt him.  Liberal_in_LA   Apr-12-10 03:04 PM   #175 
  - Mike Huckabee should personally tell her that children aren't puppies  Matariki   Apr-11-10 04:12 AM   #158 
  - Notice where the failed adoptions are located: Tennessee, Virginia, Utah  mnhtnbb   Apr-11-10 05:43 AM   #160 
  - And note that this adoption was a single parent adoption  marshall   Apr-11-10 04:40 PM   #168 
  - Meh. The kid was an asshole  Juche   Apr-11-10 01:35 PM   #165 
  - ban-schman  bernynhel   Apr-12-10 03:02 PM   #174 

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