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Fri Apr-09-10 11:26 AM
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THAT was a good move, although how it will play out remains to be seen. The negatives of the health insurance bill far outweigh the benefits, and the tax credit is something Bush would have been all in favor of.
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| -To everbody so pissed off at Obama they won't be voting |
WeDidIt |
Apr-09-10 09:46 AM |
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Agree. Too bad Obama voters in VA already stopped voting in '09. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Apr-09-10 09:47 AM |
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I voted - reluctantly. |
muffin1 |
Apr-09-10 09:55 AM |
#5 |
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I held my nose and voted in VA many, many times. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Apr-09-10 10:11 AM |
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Your post brilliantly illustrates the conundrum |
laughingliberal |
Apr-09-10 11:45 AM |
#53 |
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And There Lies The GREATEST Rub "laughingliberal" Because Either |
ChiciB1 |
Apr-09-10 01:28 PM |
#122 |
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I would never not vote |
NewJeffCT |
Apr-09-10 09:49 AM |
#2 |
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Absolutely...and until Rahm and Obama realize they need to stop |
joeybee12 |
Apr-09-10 09:50 AM |
#3 |
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for who? President Obama? or you? or the rest of us? |
ncteechur |
Apr-09-10 09:46 PM |
#149 |
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Who said I won't be voting? |
LWolf |
Apr-09-10 09:54 AM |
#4 |
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+1 |
Arctic Dave |
Apr-09-10 10:00 AM |
#7 |
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NO!!! You must vote for a Dem who opposes your core values! Otherwise, you'll be wasting your vote!! |
Karmadillo |
Apr-09-10 11:52 AM |
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+1 |
readmoreoften |
Apr-09-10 01:49 PM |
#127 |
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This is always a point worth making... K&R |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 09:58 AM |
#6 |
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Its a bullshit strawman point, but you go ahead and kick it. |
Stinky The Clown |
Apr-09-10 12:19 PM |
#75 |
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Sometimes the strawman IS reality. |
ncteechur |
Apr-09-10 09:51 PM |
#150 |
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Will Someone PLEASE Put Some More Money In the Jukebox? |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 10:10 AM |
#8 |
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Do you piss in every thread you're in? |
Captain Hilts |
Apr-09-10 10:11 AM |
#10 |
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Just the Ones You're In, Too. You Inspire Me. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 10:37 AM |
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This deserves to be pissed on. It's only the millionth rehash of the same |
Raineyb |
Apr-09-10 10:43 AM |
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Too bad they're not listening. It will be largely the fault of... |
TreasonousBastard |
Apr-09-10 10:23 AM |
#11 |
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if you want someone's vote, you don't shit on them and tell them to take it |
RainDog |
Apr-09-10 10:27 AM |
#12 |
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+1,000,000,000,000. |
muffin1 |
Apr-09-10 10:29 AM |
#13 |
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Thank you! n/t |
QC |
Apr-09-10 10:45 AM |
#22 |
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Likewise, if you're a voter, you don't always get the choices you want, but... |
TreasonousBastard |
Apr-09-10 10:49 AM |
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The voter is entitled to vote, or not vote, for whomever he or she sees fit based |
Raineyb |
Apr-09-10 10:54 AM |
#31 |
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Huh? The voter can do any damn thing he or she wants to, including... |
TreasonousBastard |
Apr-09-10 11:24 AM |
#37 |
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The majority of the electorate wanted a public option. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-09-10 11:33 AM |
#43 |
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And An End To DADT. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 12:59 PM |
#106 |
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Oh, that's inconvenient. But I'm sure you'll receive a response soon. |
Ignis |
Apr-09-10 02:19 PM |
#131 |
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What? I can't hear you over the sound of all these crickets. n/t |
Raineyb |
Apr-09-10 02:57 PM |
#133 |
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Why, that's not very sporting at all! |
Ignis |
Apr-09-10 05:54 PM |
#140 |
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Everywhere? |
TreasonousBastard |
Apr-09-10 09:35 PM |
#147 |
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Yes. |
girl gone mad |
Apr-11-10 06:56 AM |
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That is the point. So why are you demanding that people vote Democratic as though |
Raineyb |
Apr-09-10 12:07 PM |
#64 |
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I'm not "demanding" anything. I am juust explaining that in most elections... |
TreasonousBastard |
Apr-09-10 09:41 PM |
#148 |
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You assume that people don't know what their options are. I know exactly what my choices are |
Raineyb |
Apr-10-10 01:38 PM |
#164 |
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+1 |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-09-10 11:58 AM |
#59 |
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OMG - you can't be serious |
EnlightenedOne |
Apr-09-10 10:48 AM |
#24 |
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In What Way Is Your Life Different Under Obama Then It Was Under Bush? |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 11:18 AM |
#35 |
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My school loans for one. My cousins are going back on their parent's health insurnace for another. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-09-10 11:21 AM |
#36 |
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I'll Allow You the School Loan |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 11:26 AM |
#38 |
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Oh and the court remained 5-4 Conservative v. Liberal instead of 6-3 Conservative Liberal |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-09-10 11:28 AM |
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That Really Did Help On That Whole "Corporations Don't Get a Vote" Thing, Didn't It? |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 11:57 AM |
#57 |
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Well, I suppose if you take the very short view of things, it doesn't matter. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-09-10 12:11 PM |
#67 |
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We Dodged a Bullet With Souter In the First Place. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 12:51 PM |
#96 |
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The Republican Party (and the Democratic Party) is a very different animal than it was in the 80s |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-09-10 12:54 PM |
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But It's Not the ONLY Outcome of A Presidential Election |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 12:58 PM |
#104 |
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This actually isn't about *your* vote. You wanted to know how people's lives were different because |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-09-10 01:04 PM |
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But Obama Is Not the Supreme Court. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 01:13 PM |
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When you pick someone like Alito, do you really think there is any question as to which way he will |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-09-10 01:32 PM |
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I'm Not Talking About Not Voting Democratic. I'm Talking About Not Voting Progressive. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 02:04 PM |
#129 |
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i'm sure you understand how voting works. Its a zero sum game |
onenote |
Apr-10-10 12:11 PM |
#160 |
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Principles Matter. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-10-10 04:50 PM |
#165 |
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so how is it in your "self interest" to help get a republican elected? |
onenote |
Apr-10-10 12:10 PM |
#159 |
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You Can Attempt To Blame Me All You Want. It Won't Work Anymore. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-10-10 04:52 PM |
#166 |
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and you can pretend that you're not to blame all you want. that won't work either. |
onenote |
Apr-11-10 06:34 AM |
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So, Who Is More To Blame: Me Or Ralph Nader? |
Toasterlad |
Apr-11-10 11:48 AM |
#173 |
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Well... I can now be assassinated if the president doesn't like me. |
jgraz |
Apr-09-10 12:04 PM |
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Half a Point. You Could Have Been Assassinated Under Bush, Too. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 12:07 PM |
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I think the cheering Democrats is the worst part |
jgraz |
Apr-09-10 12:13 PM |
#69 |
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You Said It, Brother. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 12:18 PM |
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Eh? I think there may be some slight miscommunication here. |
TreasonousBastard |
Apr-09-10 11:26 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-09-10 11:31 AM |
#42 |
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It will be similar to when the Republicans took a beating in 2008 and figured |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 11:34 AM |
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The key word in your post is "progressives". |
backscatter712 |
Apr-09-10 11:38 AM |
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No, we'll blame you and the corporations for which you stand. |
Greyhound |
Apr-09-10 12:39 PM |
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This administration and its apologists have made it clear that they don't need the left |
dflprincess |
Apr-09-10 01:59 PM |
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They're going to say it anyways; it's a manipulative tactic, not a reasonable position. |
LoZoccolo |
Apr-09-10 10:32 AM |
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If you don't vote because Obama is not as liberal as you wish he were you might as well... |
bamacrat |
Apr-09-10 10:40 AM |
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Voting for repuke-lites is only exacerbating the problem. |
muffin1 |
Apr-09-10 10:44 AM |
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No it wouldn't. It may wake us liberals up but like Bush the next Dem pres. would have to ... |
bamacrat |
Apr-09-10 10:49 AM |
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What's the difference between Obama and the GOP on education? None. |
tonysam |
Apr-09-10 10:46 AM |
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The GOP would allow prayer. |
bamacrat |
Apr-09-10 10:50 AM |
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Their pattern: 1. Sit out or vote third party; 2. Act |
ecstatic |
Apr-09-10 10:42 AM |
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I don't know, the corporatists are going to wait a hell of a long time for this democrat's vote. |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-09-10 10:51 AM |
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Why does the GOP hope more liberals feel the way you do? |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 11:36 AM |
#48 |
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Just go ahead and say "pony" if that's what you're implying. |
Ignis |
Apr-09-10 11:28 AM |
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Yup they are like a slinky on an escalator |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 11:35 AM |
#47 |
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The DLC pattern: 1. collaborate with Repukes to destroy the country |
jgraz |
Apr-09-10 12:15 PM |
#70 |
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It will be so much easier to take when the DLC Democrats |
dflprincess |
Apr-09-10 02:08 PM |
#130 |
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Calling them amnesiacs implies they're forgetful.. |
girl gone mad |
Apr-11-10 07:06 AM |
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But it's okay to privatize public services, like education, because a "Democrat" does it. |
tonysam |
Apr-09-10 10:43 AM |
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I agree - - - - - I find it funny that there are those (including some in this thread) |
DrDan |
Apr-09-10 10:51 AM |
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You've wore many of us out. That old meme falls on deaf ears. |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-09-10 10:43 AM |
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Intimidation.. geez louise.. |
Peacetrain |
Apr-09-10 11:34 AM |
#45 |
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You are willing to see the Country go down in flames |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 11:37 AM |
#49 |
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Yes, and Obama is pouring gasoline on the fire |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Apr-09-10 12:47 PM |
#92 |
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Waaah! Waaah! Waaah! Obama is not 100% perfect on every issue! |
Nye Bevan |
Apr-09-10 10:51 AM |
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Apr-09-10 10:57 AM |
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Deleted message |
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Apr-09-10 11:05 AM |
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Then run someone |
Egnever |
Apr-09-10 11:34 AM |
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Gosh, it must be because liberal ideas are really terrible |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-09-10 11:40 AM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Apr-09-10 11:47 AM |
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It couldn't possibly be that many liberals are their own worse enemy |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 11:49 AM |
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We get it, Rahm, we're fucking retards. |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-09-10 12:01 PM |
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When you are willing to let a repuke win to try to prove a point |
Egnever |
Apr-09-10 12:10 PM |
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yup |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 12:17 PM |
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We get it. The narrative for November: "Blame the Dirty Fucking Hippies". eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-09-10 12:24 PM |
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Why did he use those unfortunate choice of words? If I remember |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 12:16 PM |
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Rahm was FORCED to use those "unfortunate words"! |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-09-10 12:27 PM |
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LINK? |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 12:28 PM |
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Unfortunate choice of words? He didn't have to use those words at all |
Raineyb |
Apr-09-10 12:37 PM |
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He should have told the liberals attacking Dems instead of Republicans they were being foolish |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 12:49 PM |
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Self destructive. The only time blue dogs seem to get in line is when their job |
Raineyb |
Apr-09-10 12:56 PM |
#102 |
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Are you a white heterosexual male not living in poverty? |
Ignis |
Apr-09-10 02:35 PM |
#132 |
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I'm someone whose wife has a pre-existing medical condition |
Nye Bevan |
Apr-09-10 08:25 PM |
#141 |
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rec'd |
helderheid |
Apr-09-10 10:57 AM |
#33 |
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This is why primaries are created |
LynneSin |
Apr-09-10 11:43 AM |
#52 |
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ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS 'FIX' THE HEALTH CARE BILL LIKE YOU PROMISED. |
grahamhgreen |
Apr-09-10 11:57 AM |
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How many times do I have to repost this? |
jgraz |
Apr-09-10 12:03 PM |
#61 |
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Sorry, J...."Republican! Boo!" Is All the DLC Has. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 12:09 PM |
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Excellent post. - n/t |
Zenlitened |
Apr-09-10 03:24 PM |
#134 |
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I'll gladly vote for Obama when, and if, he earns my vote. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-09-10 12:12 PM |
#68 |
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How was that vote any better than a vote for McCain? |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 12:25 PM |
#78 |
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It wasn't wasted on somebody I don't agree with. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-09-10 12:28 PM |
#81 |
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I am talking real world, how was it any better in the real world where results matter? |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 12:29 PM |
#82 |
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My conscience is part of the real world. Is yours? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-09-10 12:35 PM |
#85 |
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My vote has made drastic changes in the real world, from nuclear disarmament |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 12:39 PM |
#87 |
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YOUR vote did that? Amazing. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-09-10 12:41 PM |
#90 |
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Yup, voting can be a powerful thing if it is used wisely |
NJmaverick |
Apr-09-10 12:50 PM |
#94 |
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And, do you start hurricanes by exhaling? |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-09-10 01:00 PM |
#108 |
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Hear, hear! |
Greyhound |
Apr-09-10 12:40 PM |
#89 |
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"Earning" a vote is a strange concept |
treestar |
Apr-09-10 08:29 PM |
#142 |
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A "strange concept"? It's called democracy. Look it up. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Apr-09-10 11:12 PM |
#153 |
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Better yet, imagine if President Straw Man were picking his replacement. |
Stinky The Clown |
Apr-09-10 12:18 PM |
#73 |
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There is a handful of people that claim there is no difference between the two. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-09-10 12:19 PM |
#76 |
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Are you talking about regular posters? |
Stinky The Clown |
Apr-09-10 12:30 PM |
#83 |
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Posters who say that there is no difference between President Obama and President McCain. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-09-10 12:33 PM |
#84 |
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And Still None Of Them Voted For McCain, Or Are Sorry He Lost. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 12:53 PM |
#97 |
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Actually, one person did say they wish McCain had won |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-09-10 12:59 PM |
#105 |
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One person. Wow. eom |
Hello_Kitty |
Apr-09-10 01:02 PM |
#110 |
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Seeing one well respected DUer advocate such an asinine approach is a pretty jarring sight |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-09-10 01:09 PM |
#116 |
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well respected by who? |
NNN0LHI |
Apr-10-10 05:25 PM |
#168 |
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You mean trolls... |
walldude |
Apr-09-10 01:03 PM |
#111 |
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No. I mean well respected DUers who have been here for years. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Apr-09-10 01:10 PM |
#117 |
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LOL there are a number of those "well respected" trolls |
walldude |
Apr-09-10 01:31 PM |
#123 |
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If they cut the shit, what would they use to distract from the theft? n/t |
Greyhound |
Apr-09-10 12:41 PM |
#91 |
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President Straw Man! We see a lot of him around here. nt |
laughingliberal |
Apr-09-10 12:53 PM |
#98 |
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Elections do have consequences |
ecstatic |
Apr-09-10 12:55 PM |
#101 |
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That's what we hear |
laughingliberal |
Apr-09-10 01:01 PM |
#109 |
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Maybe you should take a little time to read up on recent changes |
ecstatic |
Apr-09-10 01:04 PM |
#113 |
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Oh, yes! I love the liberal education policies that Newt has been traveling around with Arne to |
laughingliberal |
Apr-09-10 01:11 PM |
#118 |
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You gotta be kidding.... |
blindpig |
Apr-09-10 12:50 PM |
#95 |
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It's All They Have. |
Toasterlad |
Apr-09-10 12:54 PM |
#99 |
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And they think if they repeat it ad nauseam that people will start to believe them. |
Raineyb |
Apr-09-10 12:57 PM |
#103 |
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Imagine if someone really liberal were picking Stevens' replacement ...!!! |
defendandprotect |
Apr-09-10 01:00 PM |
#107 |
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The Purity Test Posts Should Be Riiiiiight Around The Corner... |
WillyT |
Apr-09-10 01:05 PM |
#114 |
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I hear it. Must be getting close. nt |
laughingliberal |
Apr-09-10 01:13 PM |
#119 |
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Hey I have an idea... |
walldude |
Apr-09-10 01:08 PM |
#115 |
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I'm gonna do what I always do |
whatchamacallit |
Apr-09-10 01:20 PM |
#121 |
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It won't work... |
JoseGaspar |
Apr-09-10 01:39 PM |
#125 |
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Thank you! How people can ignore that most people get tired of being blackmailed with this crap is |
laughingliberal |
Apr-09-10 01:47 PM |
#126 |
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what you say is true. |
RainDog |
Apr-09-10 08:36 PM |
#143 |
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Get back to me if we get a liberal in the Stephens mold |
ibegurpard |
Apr-09-10 03:32 PM |
#135 |
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THREE THINGS |
EnlightenedOne |
Apr-09-10 04:02 PM |
#136 |
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First, the Democratic nominee basically ran as a Republican. Why vote for a faux Republican |
Raineyb |
Apr-09-10 05:18 PM |
#138 |
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"the fault will be with the candidates and not the voters" |
laughingliberal |
Apr-10-10 11:35 AM |
#155 |
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Thanks for pointing that out |
SusanaMontana41 |
Apr-09-10 04:16 PM |
#137 |
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No votey, no gripey! |
Born_A_Truman |
Apr-09-10 05:23 PM |
#139 |
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Seems as if many here also believe 'votey, no gripey.' |
laughingliberal |
Apr-10-10 11:53 AM |
#157 |
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Simple math : That 2 does not = 3 does not mean that 2 > 3 |
demwing |
Apr-09-10 08:51 PM |
#144 |
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They don't care about that. They would rather exult in their self-righteous purity. n/t |
Unvanguard |
Apr-09-10 08:55 PM |
#145 |
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Imagine if we got out of Afghanistan. |
rug |
Apr-09-10 09:01 PM |
#146 |
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Thank God for crums that fall off the table...Dems should be thankful for what they get.. |
lib2DaBone |
Apr-09-10 09:53 PM |
#151 |
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3rd party is coming.. people are tired of being ripped off... |
lib2DaBone |
Apr-09-10 10:01 PM |
#152 |
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That may be, but the third party everyone is talking about is the racist, hate mongering |
still_one |
Apr-10-10 09:05 AM |
#154 |
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Apr-10-10 11:50 AM |
#156 |
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The end result is almost always between the lesser of two evils. |
Silent3 |
Apr-10-10 12:29 PM |
#161 |
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The only people I know pissed at Obama are Republicans |
subaltern |
Apr-10-10 11:57 AM |
#158 |
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Isn't it a little early for the purity test? |
frustrated_lefty |
Apr-10-10 12:41 PM |
#162 |
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Vote for a third party and send a message |
Threedifferentones |
Apr-10-10 12:47 PM |
#163 |
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I'll be voting ... |
gleaner |
Apr-10-10 05:13 PM |
#167 |
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And here we thought only Repukes drummed up |
xchrom |
Apr-11-10 07:47 AM |
#172 |
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