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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 02:45 PM
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1. You are going to catch a tsunami of shit for this
Edited on Tue Apr-06-10 03:32 PM by kenny blankenship
However there is a huge difference. In this case, unlike in the film, the weapon worked perfectly. The weapons of the Apache gunship helicopter allow soldiers to blast people to bloody hash from a thousand yards away up in the sky. It allows you to see and accurately target individual human beings at distances which make them appear to the naked eye as no more than ants. They correct for bullet drop and windage by computer. The weapons systems are marvels of American technology, they just can't make you curious about the ants you're shooting at. They can't make you ask yourself if you should really be shooting at them. If you've accepted the idea that Iraqis are to be killed until they show abject submission and compliance, then 8 Iraqis standing in a street, without any American there to make their presence OK, must be a threat to wipe out, and the Apache AH-64's computers cannot override that kind of programming.
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  -Somehow the wikileaks video puts me in mind of a specific scene in Schindler's list. howard112211  Apr-06-10 02:41 PM   #0 
  - You are going to catch a tsunami of shit for this  kenny blankenship   Apr-06-10 02:45 PM   #1 
  - And yet, every once in a while, a few soldiers will  sabrina 1   Apr-07-10 01:02 PM   #22 
  - Your last 2 lines are right on - why aren't we fighting the war machine?  SaveAmerica   Apr-07-10 06:27 PM   #79 
  - The tsunami of shit is only working in one direction on this issue. n/t  Bolo Boffin   Apr-07-10 01:41 PM   #33 
  - Actually it fucked up and gave an azimuth error.  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 03:35 PM   #42 
  - +1 n/t  TroglodyteScholar   Apr-07-10 04:49 PM   #65 
  - Yep. Soldiers are trained killers.  ixion   Apr-06-10 02:53 PM   #2 
  - It is possible to "support the troops" in general without approving of everything  Berry Cool   Apr-06-10 05:56 PM   #8 
     - if you can reconcile that, great. I can't.  ixion   Apr-06-10 07:40 PM   #9 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-07-10 02:59 PM   #35 
        - Really? You know what people signed up for? You know nothing.  SaveAmerica   Apr-07-10 06:16 PM   #77 
     - Only with a lot of doublethink  liberation   Apr-07-10 11:16 AM   #15 
     - Defying Hitler: A Memoir  puebloknot   Apr-07-10 01:03 PM   #23 
        - Thank you...  liberation   Apr-07-10 01:34 PM   #31 
        - Wonderful post!  laughingliberal   Apr-07-10 03:37 PM   #44 
     - Those who 'need' soldiers don't "support" them at all  Echo In Light   Apr-07-10 01:04 PM   #25 
  - IOW, the banality of evil.  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-06-10 02:53 PM   #3 
  - Thank you for the good post, this is truly sickening.  no limit   Apr-06-10 02:54 PM   #4 
  - That's exactly it!  tavalon   Apr-06-10 02:57 PM   #5 
  - Yes, the audio track should have been of Soldiers whimpering into the radio  Zywiec   Apr-06-10 03:04 PM   #6 
  - laughing as a bradley drives over a dead body was totally appropriate  no limit   Apr-07-10 07:30 AM   #11 
  - Our sending of these young men into killing zones is the proximate cause of the death...  Romulox   Apr-07-10 11:22 AM   #17 
     - War doesn't consist of shooting up a make shift ambulance that poses no threat  no limit   Apr-07-10 11:32 AM   #18 
        - Yes. It does. It's not defending this behavior to point out its inevitability.  Romulox   Apr-07-10 03:30 PM   #38 
           - So the individuals commiting the atrocities have no responsbility for them?  no limit   Apr-07-10 03:46 PM   #48 
              - No one has even established an ROE was broken, never mind a war crime  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 04:00 PM   #56 
                 - No wonder I had you on the list  Moochy   Apr-07-10 04:18 PM   #59 
                 - Really? Who gets to establish this? I saw a post here yesterday that detailed how RoE was broken  no limit   Apr-07-10 04:39 PM   #63 
                    - An army criminal investigator.  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 04:44 PM   #64 
  - No empathy required when you're killing Them.  Ignis   Apr-07-10 02:02 PM   #34 
     - Yeppers, that is why targets in BCT are shaped like people now not circles  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 03:51 PM   #52 
  - Great insight howard....  disillusioned73   Apr-06-10 03:12 PM   #7 
  - More like the scene on the balcony shooting POWs in the distance  unc70   Apr-06-10 08:52 PM   #10 
  - Yes, that would be the scene.  arcadian   Apr-07-10 01:04 PM   #24 
     - Were those prisoners armed. Did a bradley off camera  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 03:59 PM   #55 
  - Thank you for your post.  Stanchetalarooni   Apr-07-10 09:46 AM   #12 
  - +1000  G_j   Apr-07-10 09:49 AM   #13 
  - howard112211  Diclotican   Apr-07-10 10:52 AM   #14 
  - Bullshit. They're soldiers doing what they were trained to do.  Romulox   Apr-07-10 11:21 AM   #16 
  - Well....Stanley Milgram aside..  truth2power   Apr-07-10 12:50 PM   #21 
  - Invading a country under false pretenses is the immorality.  Romulox   Apr-07-10 03:32 PM   #39 
  - Nuremberg, 1945: "We were only following orders."  puebloknot   Apr-07-10 01:08 PM   #27 
  - It's a hyberbolic comparison. nt  Romulox   Apr-07-10 03:32 PM   #40 
     - How so? nt  puebloknot   Apr-07-10 03:50 PM   #51 
  - You could say the same for the  sabrina 1   Apr-07-10 01:16 PM   #28 
  - Your mistake is that you think I'm excusing atrocity. I'm not.  Romulox   Apr-07-10 03:33 PM   #41 
  - Then I apologize, I did misunderstand you ~  sabrina 1   Apr-07-10 03:44 PM   #47 
  - Good thing it is not GCF from a drone in pakistan. The pitchfork brigade"s  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 03:40 PM   #46 
  - Wrong: Attacking People Rescuing the Wounded is NOT supposed to be SOP!  Mojeoux   Apr-07-10 06:22 PM   #78 
  - sabrina 1  Diclotican   Apr-07-10 04:11 PM   #58 
  - It is not an either or proposition...  liberation   Apr-07-10 01:16 PM   #29 
  - And where did the young man come from? He's there voluntarily, no?  katandmoon   Apr-07-10 03:01 PM   #37 
  - You elect to pay your taxes? You bought that 30mm round.  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 03:37 PM   #45 
  - Romulox  Diclotican   Apr-07-10 03:58 PM   #54 
     - Dude. Enough Nazi comparison. It makes you all look like illiterate children  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 04:03 PM   #57 
        - Pavulon  Diclotican   Apr-07-10 04:30 PM   #62 
           - I know my history very well thanks. Murder is a criminal term, like rape, or grand theft  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 04:51 PM   #67 
  - i think it's a good comparison  barbtries   Apr-07-10 12:35 PM   #19 
  - What's amazing is the defenders of this action keep talking  walldude   Apr-07-10 12:40 PM   #20 
  - After this episode I suspect more than a few DUers are going to remember those few you allude to  Echo In Light   Apr-07-10 01:08 PM   #26 
  - Also, the helicopter didn't bother to break its holding pattern during most of the engagement  liberation   Apr-07-10 01:29 PM   #30 
     - Pearls before swine..Bushmaster was calling the shots  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 03:48 PM   #49 
  - Please read Winter Soldier -Iraq and Afghanistan by IVAW  kgnu_fan   Apr-07-10 01:40 PM   #32 
  - Yup.. another good example is the movie Full Metal Jacket  walldude   Apr-07-10 03:36 PM   #43 
  - Too late for me to Rec this but I just gave it my own private K&R.  katandmoon   Apr-07-10 03:01 PM   #36 
  - same here  unapatriciated   Apr-07-10 03:55 PM   #53 
  - That dude on his knees does not have an rpg or an ak?  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 03:49 PM   #50 
  - "there is no modern history..."  laughingliberal   Apr-07-10 04:22 PM   #60 
     - It started with guys in suits. Not some CWO, running a fire mission for a 1lt  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 04:55 PM   #69 
        - I appreciate your opinion  laughingliberal   Apr-07-10 05:21 PM   #70 
  - Too late to rec. So, I'll kick. excellent post! nt  laughingliberal   Apr-07-10 04:28 PM   #61 
  - Those soldiers from that video are a disgrace.  VMI Dem   Apr-07-10 04:50 PM   #66 
  - And child molesters.. Anymore criminal terms to throw.  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 04:53 PM   #68 
     - I would think someone called it in for them to have shown up there  laughingliberal   Apr-07-10 05:28 PM   #71 
        - An investigation would be a great idea.  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 05:46 PM   #72 
           - We are in agreement on that.  laughingliberal   Apr-07-10 05:58 PM   #74 
              - History will judge the Iraq war harshly.  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 06:05 PM   #75 
  - deleted dupe  Whisp   Apr-07-10 05:50 PM   # 
  - a lot of sick fucks in the military  Whisp   Apr-07-10 05:50 PM   #73 
  - Or they could be the POTUS and Congress that ORDERED them there.  Pavulon   Apr-07-10 06:06 PM   #76 
  - locking  TrogL   Apr-07-10 06:30 PM   #80 

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