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Tue Apr-06-10 02:08 PM
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If a situation is unjust and we as a group of citizens have not done enough to stop that wrong from happening, we, the citizens of the USA, carry the responsibility for that wrong which has been done in our names.
Basically, ending this injustice requires too much sacrifice for us, so we rationalize that we cannot do anything anyway and move on.
Realistically, one could say that, though we never personally chose this course, we are too cowardly to put an end to it. We are comfortable and prefer comfort over justice.
That is the reality of our situation. In this case, all delusions of complete innocence carried by adults are inherently self-serving rationalizations.
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| -We all have blood in our hands |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 12:55 AM |
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You make a good case for not voting and not paying taxes |
leftstreet |
Apr-06-10 01:04 AM |
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That is what people have done at times |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:07 AM |
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What a crock |
BeFree |
Apr-06-10 01:04 AM |
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Yep part of the fantasy is that you have no responsiblty |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:10 AM |
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Oh |
BeFree |
Apr-06-10 01:13 AM |
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Are you a citizen? Yes or no? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:22 AM |
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I thought our current POTUS meant to get us out of these wars... |
Mimosa |
Apr-06-10 01:05 AM |
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That economy has existed before |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:12 AM |
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I've said STOP.....I went out and protested BEFORE the Iraq invasion..... |
Mind_your_head |
Apr-06-10 01:07 AM |
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My sentiments exactly: "I don't feel guilty. I feel ineffectual. |
Raksha |
Apr-06-10 08:44 AM |
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Sorry, you're flat wrong in this. Your points carry no weight because those you try to blame |
Greyhound |
Apr-06-10 01:14 AM |
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So citizens have no responsibilty? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:23 AM |
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Citizens with no voice and no choice, no. |
Greyhound |
Apr-06-10 01:38 AM |
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No it does not, you may beleive it does |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:44 AM |
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So you contend that a slave is responsible for crimes committed by his master. |
Greyhound |
Apr-06-10 02:01 AM |
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You aren't a slave |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 02:02 AM |
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Harriet Tubman disagrees. |
Greyhound |
Apr-06-10 02:25 AM |
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so I guess we have slave pens in the US |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 02:29 AM |
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And there are no tanks on the streets so it's not fascism either. |
Greyhound |
Apr-06-10 02:43 AM |
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Apr-06-10 02:58 AM |
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As I said, we have surrendered |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 12:39 PM |
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Harriet Tubman put her life on the line for what she believed in |
Bluerthanblue |
Apr-06-10 01:31 PM |
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Apr-06-10 02:21 AM |
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We do have many choices as to how far we involve ourselves with the military-industrial complex. |
Orsino |
Apr-06-10 11:52 AM |
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Maybe you do. I don't. |
Marr |
Apr-06-10 01:23 AM |
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No I wasn't, but I have the same responsibity of |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:25 AM |
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It's hard to grasp because it's asinine. |
Marr |
Apr-06-10 01:28 AM |
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Apr-06-10 01:30 AM |
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I'm impressed with your high school reading list. n/t |
Marr |
Apr-06-10 01:33 AM |
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Sartre is High School really? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:38 AM |
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i read "no exit" at summer camp when i was 16. being as it was the 60s & all, |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-06-10 02:28 AM |
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like jefferson, she imagines herself one of the elite who are qualified to educate |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-06-10 02:24 AM |
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Anyone can parrot quotes. Understanding takes study, however. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-06-10 09:30 AM |
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Apr-06-10 02:38 AM |
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I don't know where you've been, but the rights of citizenship no longer exist, |
Raksha |
Apr-06-10 08:54 AM |
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THey don't? That will be a world of a surprise |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 03:56 PM |
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Not me so much...but you are right in general. |
Bonobo |
Apr-06-10 01:24 AM |
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Huh uh, no. Not at all. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 01:26 AM |
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Yes we are, all of us |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:28 AM |
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You're not responsible. Period. Posture all you want, you are not responsible. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 01:36 AM |
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Then you are not a citizen? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:43 AM |
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I am indeed a citizen. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 02:02 AM |
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That cheesy argument was also advocated by Hannah Arendt |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 02:09 AM |
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most people making under $30K pay little or no income tax. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-06-10 02:35 AM |
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Arendt thought this through deeply, and I suspect with considerable pain. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 02:55 AM |
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Nadin, most Americans living overseas have to file income taxes |
akbacchus_BC |
Apr-06-10 03:18 AM |
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I'm so poor that I don't pay taxes....there is nothing to tax. |
Mind_your_head |
Apr-06-10 01:36 AM |
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"NO, I DON'T WANT MINE TO FUND DOD?" |
CrispyQ |
Apr-06-10 10:52 AM |
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Perhaps you should present yourself to the Hague for prosecution. N/T |
DrCory |
Apr-06-10 12:40 PM |
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no one's demonizing soldiers. but soldiers do have a degree of choice: 1) |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-06-10 02:32 AM |
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Glad you mentioned that. You're right. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 03:30 AM |
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Yeah, The Hurt Locker did horrible. |
VMI Dem |
Apr-06-10 01:36 AM |
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So you also have found the IRS secret section |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:40 AM |
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Mind_your_head's responses on this thread say it better than I've done. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 01:39 AM |
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What that as a CITIZEN we are all responsible? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:41 AM |
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I'm sorry, but I think you're getting further and further off-base on this. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 01:52 AM |
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And you'd be wrong |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 01:55 AM |
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Oh, for Christ's sake... |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 02:08 AM |
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So you are a citizen, and you vote |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 02:12 AM |
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Swing and a miss, I'm afraid. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 02:16 AM |
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Of course I can |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 02:19 AM |
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That's a remarkably tawdry accusation, as I believe you'll appreciate. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 02:42 AM |
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wait a minute. what specifically`in those works |
cali |
Apr-06-10 02:28 AM |
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Apr-06-10 02:42 AM |
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Actually |
Rex |
Apr-06-10 02:02 AM |
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Who is the CIC? Who elected the CiC |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 02:08 AM |
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And at this point, I really am sorry, |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 02:11 AM |
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Is it? What is that argument> That there is responsiblty for a people? |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 02:13 AM |
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Say what you will. You've still waded into hyperbole without a rope walk to guide you back. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 02:30 AM |
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The point is that our military is occupying two countries in the Middle East that we have no busines |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 02:32 AM |
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You're hitting the asteroid belt at this point. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 02:46 AM |
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Well if you cannot undesrtand that |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 04:31 PM |
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more than didn't consult - blatantly, repeatedly LIED, on every media outlet, |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-06-10 02:49 AM |
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A very pertinent point. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 03:11 AM |
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Sounds more like it is about you. |
Rex |
Apr-06-10 02:28 AM |
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Yes and in an ideal world |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 02:36 AM |
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Well you are allowed to get on your soap box anytime you want here on DU |
Rex |
Apr-06-10 03:02 AM |
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Yes I get it, this country has NOT taught CIVIC responsibity |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 12:24 PM |
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Right...war crimes should be blamed on the people who commit them, |
Raksha |
Apr-07-10 12:12 PM |
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unrec. what garbage. |
cali |
Apr-06-10 02:05 AM |
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Apr-06-10 02:08 AM |
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by your twisted and puerile "logic" |
cali |
Apr-06-10 02:16 AM |
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Your accusation that I am responsible implies... |
tkmorris |
Apr-06-10 02:19 AM |
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Here is the problem WE have the power |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 02:20 AM |
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lol. mouthing platitudes as a response to a query asking for specifics |
cali |
Apr-06-10 02:24 AM |
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you're so fond of telling people what to read, here, why don't you review the history of the |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-06-10 02:57 AM |
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Thank you. |
JeffR |
Apr-06-10 03:18 AM |
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Do you plan on arresting yourself then? |
MUAD_DIB |
Apr-06-10 07:46 AM |
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Renting of garments, gnashing of teeth, pulling of hair |
cali |
Apr-06-10 07:55 AM |
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Nah, more like it is nice to see |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 12:35 PM |
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So what do you plan to personally do about it. |
MUAD_DIB |
Apr-06-10 08:31 PM |
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Show me when it has been different in US history. |
MUAD_DIB |
Apr-07-10 12:25 PM |
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not in my name. not either occupation |
Mari333 |
Apr-06-10 07:48 AM |
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I'm a peace nick, and in this I disagree with you |
lunatica |
Apr-06-10 08:00 AM |
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Unfortunately, Nadin, most of us HAVE NO real voice, have no real say. |
Odin2005 |
Apr-06-10 08:13 AM |
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That is the problem, WE DO |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 12:36 PM |
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Speak for yourself, because I am NOT responsible! |
Raksha |
Apr-06-10 08:32 AM |
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I never did either |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 12:34 PM |
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Ya think? We really do have the power to change something/anything? |
Raksha |
Apr-07-10 12:20 PM |
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You actually think we the people or the President we elected is in CHARGE of anything? |
HughBeaumont |
Apr-06-10 08:35 AM |
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Alas now you are not responsible |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 12:40 PM |
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If this were an opt-in society, I'd agree 100% |
The2ndWheel |
Apr-06-10 08:44 AM |
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IT is beyond taxes |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 12:32 PM |
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K&R n/t |
Fire1 |
Apr-06-10 08:59 AM |
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You're confusing responsibility with civic duty.... |
Uben |
Apr-06-10 09:01 AM |
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Ridiculous |
NeedleCast |
Apr-06-10 09:07 AM |
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No, we don't all have blood on our hands. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-06-10 09:08 AM |
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As a Nation, we ALL bear a collective responsibility. |
bvar22 |
Apr-06-10 10:16 AM |
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This sort of collective responsibility is crap |
NeedleCast |
Apr-06-10 10:17 AM |
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and it's such pretentious and stupid crap |
cali |
Apr-06-10 11:29 AM |
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Ask the German people if they think "collective responsibility" is crap. |
bvar22 |
Apr-06-10 03:19 PM |
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Exactly, you read Niemoller in your time as well |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 12:26 PM |
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There has been a concerted effort to blame everything on Obama |
happy_liberal |
Apr-06-10 11:07 AM |
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I respectfully disagree Nadine, in retrospect your reasoning excuses the guilty |
AuntPatsy |
Apr-06-10 11:38 AM |
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No it does not |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 12:29 PM |
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I don't believe that I expressed what I wanted to say very well because |
AuntPatsy |
Apr-06-10 01:01 PM |
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On to the soldiers |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 02:28 PM |
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Actually I just have some resin stains on my thumb... |
snooper2 |
Apr-06-10 11:39 AM |
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I totally disagree. |
Brickbat |
Apr-06-10 11:44 AM |
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Guilty as charged. |
tcaudilllg |
Apr-06-10 12:42 PM |
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I'm a 'peace nick' and I |
Bluerthanblue |
Apr-06-10 01:14 PM |
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But she's trying to lay blame on those of us who have done just that. n/t |
Greyhound |
Apr-06-10 01:16 PM |
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It's not a question of her "laying the blame" so much as reminding |
Bluerthanblue |
Apr-06-10 01:45 PM |
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I know I was a little kid, but my parents were very heavily involved in |
Greyhound |
Apr-06-10 02:11 PM |
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Exactly, that is what it will take |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 03:28 PM |
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Things being wrongly done in our name and against our will isn't the same |
TheKentuckian |
Apr-06-10 01:25 PM |
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No but it goes into the concept in International Law |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 03:58 PM |
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I sort of agree |
okie |
Apr-06-10 01:42 PM |
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You have taken the first step |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 03:24 PM |
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Sadly... |
xocet |
Apr-06-10 02:08 PM |
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Wrong on so many counts but here's one. |
county worker |
Apr-06-10 02:37 PM |
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I know what war is too |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 03:27 PM |
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You are hung up on guilt. |
county worker |
Apr-07-10 01:34 PM |
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Blood in our hands indeed - we need to stop the war!!!! |
kgnu_fan |
Apr-06-10 03:27 PM |
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war. is. fucked. period. |
spanone |
Apr-06-10 03:57 PM |
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Stop the killing NOW!!!!! |
kgnu_fan |
Apr-06-10 04:55 PM |
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Excellent info k*r |
autorank |
Apr-06-10 10:50 PM |
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The last week has been a reminder to me |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 10:52 PM |
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"Peace Nicks". LOL. You can't even spell it. And you spit it out with such contempt. |
Bonobo |
Apr-06-10 10:53 PM |
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Don't blame me I couldn't vote in 2000 and I voted for Kerry in 2004. |
craigmatic |
Apr-06-10 11:00 PM |
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We are still responsible |
nadinbrzezinski |
Apr-06-10 11:02 PM |
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What do you personally plan to do about it? |
MUAD_DIB |
Apr-07-10 10:17 AM |
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well |
BeFree |
Apr-07-10 10:23 AM |
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I surmise then that the OP has done little except to start a vanity thread. |
MUAD_DIB |
Apr-07-10 11:40 AM |
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so many unrec's. sad. the german people denied there were concentration camps , too. |
Mari333 |
Apr-07-10 11:41 AM |
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oh for the love of reason. no one is denying these wars |
cali |
Apr-07-10 11:53 AM |
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Are we all responsbile for the war, sure, to a certain extent. |
MadHound |
Apr-07-10 12:19 PM |
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This is an ignorant post |
johnlucas |
Apr-07-10 12:45 PM |
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