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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-06-10 01:44 AM
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29. No it does not, you may beleive it does
but it does not.

The founders woudl literally do flips on their graves, if they could.

Then again, perhaps the Tory faction was right, and the franchise should have never been extended... then you'd have a case that you are free of it.
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  -We all have blood in our hands nadinbrzezinski  Apr-06-10 12:55 AM   #0 
  - You make a good case for not voting and not paying taxes  leftstreet   Apr-06-10 01:04 AM   #1 
  - That is what people have done at times  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:07 AM   #4 
  - What a crock  BeFree   Apr-06-10 01:04 AM   #2 
  - Yep part of the fantasy is that you have no responsiblty  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:10 AM   #6 
     - Oh  BeFree   Apr-06-10 01:13 AM   #8 
        - Are you a citizen? Yes or no?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:22 AM   #10 
  - I thought our current POTUS meant to get us out of these wars...  Mimosa   Apr-06-10 01:05 AM   #3 
  - That economy has existed before  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:12 AM   #7 
  - I've said STOP.....I went out and protested BEFORE the Iraq invasion.....  Mind_your_head   Apr-06-10 01:07 AM   #5 
  - My sentiments exactly: "I don't feel guilty. I feel ineffectual.  Raksha   Apr-06-10 08:44 AM   #83 
  - Sorry, you're flat wrong in this. Your points carry no weight because those you try to blame  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 01:14 AM   #9 
  - So citizens have no responsibilty?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:23 AM   #12 
  - Citizens with no voice and no choice, no.  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 01:38 AM   #24 
  - No it does not, you may beleive it does  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:44 AM   #29 
     - So you contend that a slave is responsible for crimes committed by his master.  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 02:01 AM   #32 
        - You aren't a slave  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:02 AM   #33 
           - Harriet Tubman disagrees.  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 02:25 AM   #52 
              - so I guess we have slave pens in the US  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:29 AM   #56 
              - And there are no tanks on the streets so it's not fascism either.  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 02:43 AM   #65 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 02:58 AM   #70 
                 - As I said, we have surrendered  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:39 PM   #107 
              - Harriet Tubman put her life on the line for what she believed in  Bluerthanblue   Apr-06-10 01:31 PM   #115 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 02:21 AM   #49 
  - We do have many choices as to how far we involve ourselves with the military-industrial complex.  Orsino   Apr-06-10 11:52 AM   #99 
  - Maybe you do. I don't.  Marr   Apr-06-10 01:23 AM   #11 
  - No I wasn't, but I have the same responsibity of  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:25 AM   #14 
     - It's hard to grasp because it's asinine.  Marr   Apr-06-10 01:28 AM   #16 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 01:30 AM   #18 
        - I'm impressed with your high school reading list. n/t  Marr   Apr-06-10 01:33 AM   #19 
           - Sartre is High School really?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:38 AM   #23 
           - i read "no exit" at summer camp when i was 16. being as it was the 60s & all,  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:28 AM   #54 
           - like jefferson, she imagines herself one of the elite who are qualified to educate  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:24 AM   #51 
           - Anyone can parrot quotes. Understanding takes study, however.  TexasObserver   Apr-06-10 09:30 AM   #90 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 02:38 AM   #62 
     - I don't know where you've been, but the rights of citizenship no longer exist,  Raksha   Apr-06-10 08:54 AM   #85 
        - THey don't? That will be a world of a surprise  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 03:56 PM   #127 
  - Not me so much...but you are right in general.  Bonobo   Apr-06-10 01:24 AM   #13 
  - Huh uh, no. Not at all.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 01:26 AM   #15 
  - Yes we are, all of us  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:28 AM   #17 
  - You're not responsible. Period. Posture all you want, you are not responsible.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 01:36 AM   #20 
  - Then you are not a citizen?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:43 AM   #28 
     - I am indeed a citizen.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:02 AM   #35 
        - That cheesy argument was also advocated by Hannah Arendt  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:09 AM   #40 
           - most people making under $30K pay little or no income tax.  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:35 AM   #60 
           - Arendt thought this through deeply, and I suspect with considerable pain.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:55 AM   #68 
           - Nadin, most Americans living overseas have to file income taxes  akbacchus_BC   Apr-06-10 03:18 AM   #74 
  - I'm so poor that I don't pay taxes....there is nothing to tax.  Mind_your_head   Apr-06-10 01:36 AM   #21 
  - "NO, I DON'T WANT MINE TO FUND DOD?"  CrispyQ   Apr-06-10 10:52 AM   #93 
  - Perhaps you should present yourself to the Hague for prosecution. N/T  DrCory   Apr-06-10 12:40 PM   #108 
  - no one's demonizing soldiers. but soldiers do have a degree of choice: 1)  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:32 AM   #58 
     - Glad you mentioned that. You're right.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 03:30 AM   #75 
  - Yeah, The Hurt Locker did horrible.  VMI Dem   Apr-06-10 01:36 AM   #22 
  - So you also have found the IRS secret section  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:40 AM   #26 
  - Mind_your_head's responses on this thread say it better than I've done.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 01:39 AM   #25 
  - What that as a CITIZEN we are all responsible?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:41 AM   #27 
     - I'm sorry, but I think you're getting further and further off-base on this.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 01:52 AM   #30 
        - And you'd be wrong  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:55 AM   #31 
           - Oh, for Christ's sake...  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:08 AM   #39 
              - So you are a citizen, and you vote  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:12 AM   #42 
                 - Swing and a miss, I'm afraid.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:16 AM   #45 
                 - Of course I can  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:19 AM   #47 
                    - That's a remarkably tawdry accusation, as I believe you'll appreciate.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:42 AM   #64 
                 - wait a minute. what specifically`in those works  cali   Apr-06-10 02:28 AM   #53 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 02:42 AM   #63 
  - Actually  Rex   Apr-06-10 02:02 AM   #34 
  - Who is the CIC? Who elected the CiC  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:08 AM   #38 
     - And at this point, I really am sorry,  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:11 AM   #41 
     - Is it? What is that argument> That there is responsiblty for a people?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:13 AM   #43 
        - Say what you will. You've still waded into hyperbole without a rope walk to guide you back.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:30 AM   #57 
           - The point is that our military is occupying two countries in the Middle East that we have no busines  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:32 AM   #59 
           - You're hitting the asteroid belt at this point.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:46 AM   #66 
              - Well if you cannot undesrtand that  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 04:31 PM   #130 
           - more than didn't consult - blatantly, repeatedly LIED, on every media outlet,  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:49 AM   #67 
              - A very pertinent point.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 03:11 AM   #72 
     - Sounds more like it is about you.  Rex   Apr-06-10 02:28 AM   #55 
        - Yes and in an ideal world  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:36 AM   #61 
        - Well you are allowed to get on your soap box anytime you want here on DU  Rex   Apr-06-10 03:02 AM   #71 
           - Yes I get it, this country has NOT taught CIVIC responsibity  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:24 PM   #100 
        - Right...war crimes should be blamed on the people who commit them,  Raksha   Apr-07-10 12:12 PM   #143 
  - unrec. what garbage.  cali   Apr-06-10 02:05 AM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 02:08 AM   #37 
  - by your twisted and puerile "logic"  cali   Apr-06-10 02:16 AM   #44 
  - Your accusation that I am responsible implies...  tkmorris   Apr-06-10 02:19 AM   #46 
  - Here is the problem WE have the power  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:20 AM   #48 
     - lol. mouthing platitudes as a response to a query asking for specifics  cali   Apr-06-10 02:24 AM   #50 
  - you're so fond of telling people what to read, here, why don't you review the history of the  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:57 AM   #69 
  - Thank you.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 03:18 AM   #73 
  - Do you plan on arresting yourself then?  MUAD_DIB   Apr-06-10 07:46 AM   #76 
  - Renting of garments, gnashing of teeth, pulling of hair  cali   Apr-06-10 07:55 AM   #78 
  - Nah, more like it is nice to see  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:35 PM   #105 
     - So what do you plan to personally do about it.  MUAD_DIB   Apr-06-10 08:31 PM   #132 
     - Show me when it has been different in US history.  MUAD_DIB   Apr-07-10 12:25 PM   #146 
  - not in my name. not either occupation  Mari333   Apr-06-10 07:48 AM   #77 
  - I'm a peace nick, and in this I disagree with you  lunatica   Apr-06-10 08:00 AM   #79 
  - Unfortunately, Nadin, most of us HAVE NO real voice, have no real say.  Odin2005   Apr-06-10 08:13 AM   #80 
  - That is the problem, WE DO  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:36 PM   #106 
  - Speak for yourself, because I am NOT responsible!  Raksha   Apr-06-10 08:32 AM   #81 
  - I never did either  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:34 PM   #104 
     - Ya think? We really do have the power to change something/anything?  Raksha   Apr-07-10 12:20 PM   #145 
  - You actually think we the people or the President we elected is in CHARGE of anything?  HughBeaumont   Apr-06-10 08:35 AM   #82 
  - Alas now you are not responsible  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:40 PM   #109 
  - If this were an opt-in society, I'd agree 100%  The2ndWheel   Apr-06-10 08:44 AM   #84 
  - IT is beyond taxes  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:32 PM   #103 
  - K&R n/t  Fire1   Apr-06-10 08:59 AM   #86 
  - You're confusing responsibility with civic duty....  Uben   Apr-06-10 09:01 AM   #87 
  - Ridiculous  NeedleCast   Apr-06-10 09:07 AM   #88 
  - No, we don't all have blood on our hands.  TexasObserver   Apr-06-10 09:08 AM   #89 
  - As a Nation, we ALL bear a collective responsibility.  bvar22   Apr-06-10 10:16 AM   #91 
  - This sort of collective responsibility is crap  NeedleCast   Apr-06-10 10:17 AM   #92 
  - and it's such pretentious and stupid crap  cali   Apr-06-10 11:29 AM   #95 
  - Ask the German people if they think "collective responsibility" is crap.  bvar22   Apr-06-10 03:19 PM   #122 
  - Exactly, you read Niemoller in your time as well  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:26 PM   #101 
  - There has been a concerted effort to blame everything on Obama  happy_liberal   Apr-06-10 11:07 AM   #94 
  - I respectfully disagree Nadine, in retrospect your reasoning excuses the guilty  AuntPatsy   Apr-06-10 11:38 AM   #96 
  - No it does not  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:29 PM   #102 
     - I don't believe that I expressed what I wanted to say very well because  AuntPatsy   Apr-06-10 01:01 PM   #111 
        - On to the soldiers  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:28 PM   #120 
  - Actually I just have some resin stains on my thumb...  snooper2   Apr-06-10 11:39 AM   #97 
  - I totally disagree.  Brickbat   Apr-06-10 11:44 AM   #98 
  - Guilty as charged.  tcaudilllg   Apr-06-10 12:42 PM   #110 
  - I'm a 'peace nick' and I  Bluerthanblue   Apr-06-10 01:14 PM   #112 
  - But she's trying to lay blame on those of us who have done just that. n/t  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 01:16 PM   #113 
     - It's not a question of her "laying the blame" so much as reminding  Bluerthanblue   Apr-06-10 01:45 PM   #117 
        - I know I was a little kid, but my parents were very heavily involved in  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 02:11 PM   #119 
        - Exactly, that is what it will take  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 03:28 PM   #126 
  - Things being wrongly done in our name and against our will isn't the same  TheKentuckian   Apr-06-10 01:25 PM   #114 
  - No but it goes into the concept in International Law  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 03:58 PM   #129 
  - I sort of agree  okie   Apr-06-10 01:42 PM   #116 
  - You have taken the first step  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 03:24 PM   #123 
  - Sadly...  xocet   Apr-06-10 02:08 PM   #118 
  - Wrong on so many counts but here's one.  county worker   Apr-06-10 02:37 PM   #121 
  - I know what war is too  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 03:27 PM   #124 
     - You are hung up on guilt.  county worker   Apr-07-10 01:34 PM   #148 
  - Blood in our hands indeed - we need to stop the war!!!!  kgnu_fan   Apr-06-10 03:27 PM   #125 
  - war. is. fucked. period.  spanone   Apr-06-10 03:57 PM   #128 
  - Stop the killing NOW!!!!!  kgnu_fan   Apr-06-10 04:55 PM   #131 
  - Excellent info k*r  autorank   Apr-06-10 10:50 PM   #133 
  - The last week has been a reminder to me  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 10:52 PM   #134 
  - "Peace Nicks". LOL. You can't even spell it. And you spit it out with such contempt.  Bonobo   Apr-06-10 10:53 PM   #135 
  - Don't blame me I couldn't vote in 2000 and I voted for Kerry in 2004.  craigmatic   Apr-06-10 11:00 PM   #136 
  - We are still responsible  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 11:02 PM   #137 
     - What do you personally plan to do about it?  MUAD_DIB   Apr-07-10 10:17 AM   #138 
        - well  BeFree   Apr-07-10 10:23 AM   #139 
           - I surmise then that the OP has done little except to start a vanity thread.  MUAD_DIB   Apr-07-10 11:40 AM   #140 
  - so many unrec's. sad. the german people denied there were concentration camps , too.  Mari333   Apr-07-10 11:41 AM   #141 
  - oh for the love of reason. no one is denying these wars  cali   Apr-07-10 11:53 AM   #142 
  - Are we all responsbile for the war, sure, to a certain extent.  MadHound   Apr-07-10 12:19 PM   #144 
  - This is an ignorant post  johnlucas   Apr-07-10 12:45 PM   #147 

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