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9. Sorry, you're flat wrong in this. Your points carry no weight because those you try to blame
have no choice. Pretending that a choice exists merely plays into the hands that have convinced you that their actions are your fault.

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  -We all have blood in our hands nadinbrzezinski  Apr-06-10 12:55 AM   #0 
  - You make a good case for not voting and not paying taxes  leftstreet   Apr-06-10 01:04 AM   #1 
  - That is what people have done at times  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:07 AM   #4 
  - What a crock  BeFree   Apr-06-10 01:04 AM   #2 
  - Yep part of the fantasy is that you have no responsiblty  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:10 AM   #6 
     - Oh  BeFree   Apr-06-10 01:13 AM   #8 
        - Are you a citizen? Yes or no?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:22 AM   #10 
  - I thought our current POTUS meant to get us out of these wars...  Mimosa   Apr-06-10 01:05 AM   #3 
  - That economy has existed before  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:12 AM   #7 
  - I've said STOP.....I went out and protested BEFORE the Iraq invasion.....  Mind_your_head   Apr-06-10 01:07 AM   #5 
  - My sentiments exactly: "I don't feel guilty. I feel ineffectual.  Raksha   Apr-06-10 08:44 AM   #83 
  - Sorry, you're flat wrong in this. Your points carry no weight because those you try to blame  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 01:14 AM   #9 
  - So citizens have no responsibilty?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:23 AM   #12 
  - Citizens with no voice and no choice, no.  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 01:38 AM   #24 
  - No it does not, you may beleive it does  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:44 AM   #29 
     - So you contend that a slave is responsible for crimes committed by his master.  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 02:01 AM   #32 
        - You aren't a slave  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:02 AM   #33 
           - Harriet Tubman disagrees.  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 02:25 AM   #52 
              - so I guess we have slave pens in the US  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:29 AM   #56 
              - And there are no tanks on the streets so it's not fascism either.  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 02:43 AM   #65 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 02:58 AM   #70 
                 - As I said, we have surrendered  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:39 PM   #107 
              - Harriet Tubman put her life on the line for what she believed in  Bluerthanblue   Apr-06-10 01:31 PM   #115 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 02:21 AM   #49 
  - We do have many choices as to how far we involve ourselves with the military-industrial complex.  Orsino   Apr-06-10 11:52 AM   #99 
  - Maybe you do. I don't.  Marr   Apr-06-10 01:23 AM   #11 
  - No I wasn't, but I have the same responsibity of  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:25 AM   #14 
     - It's hard to grasp because it's asinine.  Marr   Apr-06-10 01:28 AM   #16 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 01:30 AM   #18 
        - I'm impressed with your high school reading list. n/t  Marr   Apr-06-10 01:33 AM   #19 
           - Sartre is High School really?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:38 AM   #23 
           - i read "no exit" at summer camp when i was 16. being as it was the 60s & all,  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:28 AM   #54 
           - like jefferson, she imagines herself one of the elite who are qualified to educate  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:24 AM   #51 
           - Anyone can parrot quotes. Understanding takes study, however.  TexasObserver   Apr-06-10 09:30 AM   #90 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 02:38 AM   #62 
     - I don't know where you've been, but the rights of citizenship no longer exist,  Raksha   Apr-06-10 08:54 AM   #85 
        - THey don't? That will be a world of a surprise  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 03:56 PM   #127 
  - Not me so much...but you are right in general.  Bonobo   Apr-06-10 01:24 AM   #13 
  - Huh uh, no. Not at all.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 01:26 AM   #15 
  - Yes we are, all of us  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:28 AM   #17 
  - You're not responsible. Period. Posture all you want, you are not responsible.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 01:36 AM   #20 
  - Then you are not a citizen?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:43 AM   #28 
     - I am indeed a citizen.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:02 AM   #35 
        - That cheesy argument was also advocated by Hannah Arendt  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:09 AM   #40 
           - most people making under $30K pay little or no income tax.  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:35 AM   #60 
           - Arendt thought this through deeply, and I suspect with considerable pain.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:55 AM   #68 
           - Nadin, most Americans living overseas have to file income taxes  akbacchus_BC   Apr-06-10 03:18 AM   #74 
  - I'm so poor that I don't pay taxes....there is nothing to tax.  Mind_your_head   Apr-06-10 01:36 AM   #21 
  - "NO, I DON'T WANT MINE TO FUND DOD?"  CrispyQ   Apr-06-10 10:52 AM   #93 
  - Perhaps you should present yourself to the Hague for prosecution. N/T  DrCory   Apr-06-10 12:40 PM   #108 
  - no one's demonizing soldiers. but soldiers do have a degree of choice: 1)  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:32 AM   #58 
     - Glad you mentioned that. You're right.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 03:30 AM   #75 
  - Yeah, The Hurt Locker did horrible.  VMI Dem   Apr-06-10 01:36 AM   #22 
  - So you also have found the IRS secret section  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:40 AM   #26 
  - Mind_your_head's responses on this thread say it better than I've done.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 01:39 AM   #25 
  - What that as a CITIZEN we are all responsible?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:41 AM   #27 
     - I'm sorry, but I think you're getting further and further off-base on this.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 01:52 AM   #30 
        - And you'd be wrong  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 01:55 AM   #31 
           - Oh, for Christ's sake...  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:08 AM   #39 
              - So you are a citizen, and you vote  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:12 AM   #42 
                 - Swing and a miss, I'm afraid.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:16 AM   #45 
                 - Of course I can  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:19 AM   #47 
                    - That's a remarkably tawdry accusation, as I believe you'll appreciate.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:42 AM   #64 
                 - wait a minute. what specifically`in those works  cali   Apr-06-10 02:28 AM   #53 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 02:42 AM   #63 
  - Actually  Rex   Apr-06-10 02:02 AM   #34 
  - Who is the CIC? Who elected the CiC  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:08 AM   #38 
     - And at this point, I really am sorry,  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:11 AM   #41 
     - Is it? What is that argument> That there is responsiblty for a people?  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:13 AM   #43 
        - Say what you will. You've still waded into hyperbole without a rope walk to guide you back.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:30 AM   #57 
           - The point is that our military is occupying two countries in the Middle East that we have no busines  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:32 AM   #59 
           - You're hitting the asteroid belt at this point.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 02:46 AM   #66 
              - Well if you cannot undesrtand that  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 04:31 PM   #130 
           - more than didn't consult - blatantly, repeatedly LIED, on every media outlet,  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:49 AM   #67 
              - A very pertinent point.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 03:11 AM   #72 
     - Sounds more like it is about you.  Rex   Apr-06-10 02:28 AM   #55 
        - Yes and in an ideal world  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:36 AM   #61 
        - Well you are allowed to get on your soap box anytime you want here on DU  Rex   Apr-06-10 03:02 AM   #71 
           - Yes I get it, this country has NOT taught CIVIC responsibity  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:24 PM   #100 
        - Right...war crimes should be blamed on the people who commit them,  Raksha   Apr-07-10 12:12 PM   #143 
  - unrec. what garbage.  cali   Apr-06-10 02:05 AM   #36 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 02:08 AM   #37 
  - by your twisted and puerile "logic"  cali   Apr-06-10 02:16 AM   #44 
  - Your accusation that I am responsible implies...  tkmorris   Apr-06-10 02:19 AM   #46 
  - Here is the problem WE have the power  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:20 AM   #48 
     - lol. mouthing platitudes as a response to a query asking for specifics  cali   Apr-06-10 02:24 AM   #50 
  - you're so fond of telling people what to read, here, why don't you review the history of the  Hannah Bell   Apr-06-10 02:57 AM   #69 
  - Thank you.  JeffR   Apr-06-10 03:18 AM   #73 
  - Do you plan on arresting yourself then?  MUAD_DIB   Apr-06-10 07:46 AM   #76 
  - Renting of garments, gnashing of teeth, pulling of hair  cali   Apr-06-10 07:55 AM   #78 
  - Nah, more like it is nice to see  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:35 PM   #105 
     - So what do you plan to personally do about it.  MUAD_DIB   Apr-06-10 08:31 PM   #132 
     - Show me when it has been different in US history.  MUAD_DIB   Apr-07-10 12:25 PM   #146 
  - not in my name. not either occupation  Mari333   Apr-06-10 07:48 AM   #77 
  - I'm a peace nick, and in this I disagree with you  lunatica   Apr-06-10 08:00 AM   #79 
  - Unfortunately, Nadin, most of us HAVE NO real voice, have no real say.  Odin2005   Apr-06-10 08:13 AM   #80 
  - That is the problem, WE DO  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:36 PM   #106 
  - Speak for yourself, because I am NOT responsible!  Raksha   Apr-06-10 08:32 AM   #81 
  - I never did either  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:34 PM   #104 
     - Ya think? We really do have the power to change something/anything?  Raksha   Apr-07-10 12:20 PM   #145 
  - You actually think we the people or the President we elected is in CHARGE of anything?  HughBeaumont   Apr-06-10 08:35 AM   #82 
  - Alas now you are not responsible  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:40 PM   #109 
  - If this were an opt-in society, I'd agree 100%  The2ndWheel   Apr-06-10 08:44 AM   #84 
  - IT is beyond taxes  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:32 PM   #103 
  - K&R n/t  Fire1   Apr-06-10 08:59 AM   #86 
  - You're confusing responsibility with civic duty....  Uben   Apr-06-10 09:01 AM   #87 
  - Ridiculous  NeedleCast   Apr-06-10 09:07 AM   #88 
  - No, we don't all have blood on our hands.  TexasObserver   Apr-06-10 09:08 AM   #89 
  - As a Nation, we ALL bear a collective responsibility.  bvar22   Apr-06-10 10:16 AM   #91 
  - This sort of collective responsibility is crap  NeedleCast   Apr-06-10 10:17 AM   #92 
  - and it's such pretentious and stupid crap  cali   Apr-06-10 11:29 AM   #95 
  - Ask the German people if they think "collective responsibility" is crap.  bvar22   Apr-06-10 03:19 PM   #122 
  - Exactly, you read Niemoller in your time as well  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:26 PM   #101 
  - There has been a concerted effort to blame everything on Obama  happy_liberal   Apr-06-10 11:07 AM   #94 
  - I respectfully disagree Nadine, in retrospect your reasoning excuses the guilty  AuntPatsy   Apr-06-10 11:38 AM   #96 
  - No it does not  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 12:29 PM   #102 
     - I don't believe that I expressed what I wanted to say very well because  AuntPatsy   Apr-06-10 01:01 PM   #111 
        - On to the soldiers  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 02:28 PM   #120 
  - Actually I just have some resin stains on my thumb...  snooper2   Apr-06-10 11:39 AM   #97 
  - I totally disagree.  Brickbat   Apr-06-10 11:44 AM   #98 
  - Guilty as charged.  tcaudilllg   Apr-06-10 12:42 PM   #110 
  - I'm a 'peace nick' and I  Bluerthanblue   Apr-06-10 01:14 PM   #112 
  - But she's trying to lay blame on those of us who have done just that. n/t  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 01:16 PM   #113 
     - It's not a question of her "laying the blame" so much as reminding  Bluerthanblue   Apr-06-10 01:45 PM   #117 
        - I know I was a little kid, but my parents were very heavily involved in  Greyhound   Apr-06-10 02:11 PM   #119 
        - Exactly, that is what it will take  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 03:28 PM   #126 
  - Things being wrongly done in our name and against our will isn't the same  TheKentuckian   Apr-06-10 01:25 PM   #114 
  - No but it goes into the concept in International Law  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 03:58 PM   #129 
  - I sort of agree  okie   Apr-06-10 01:42 PM   #116 
  - You have taken the first step  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 03:24 PM   #123 
  - Sadly...  xocet   Apr-06-10 02:08 PM   #118 
  - Wrong on so many counts but here's one.  county worker   Apr-06-10 02:37 PM   #121 
  - I know what war is too  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 03:27 PM   #124 
     - You are hung up on guilt.  county worker   Apr-07-10 01:34 PM   #148 
  - Blood in our hands indeed - we need to stop the war!!!!  kgnu_fan   Apr-06-10 03:27 PM   #125 
  - war. is. fucked. period.  spanone   Apr-06-10 03:57 PM   #128 
  - Stop the killing NOW!!!!!  kgnu_fan   Apr-06-10 04:55 PM   #131 
  - Excellent info k*r  autorank   Apr-06-10 10:50 PM   #133 
  - The last week has been a reminder to me  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 10:52 PM   #134 
  - "Peace Nicks". LOL. You can't even spell it. And you spit it out with such contempt.  Bonobo   Apr-06-10 10:53 PM   #135 
  - Don't blame me I couldn't vote in 2000 and I voted for Kerry in 2004.  craigmatic   Apr-06-10 11:00 PM   #136 
  - We are still responsible  nadinbrzezinski   Apr-06-10 11:02 PM   #137 
     - What do you personally plan to do about it?  MUAD_DIB   Apr-07-10 10:17 AM   #138 
        - well  BeFree   Apr-07-10 10:23 AM   #139 
           - I surmise then that the OP has done little except to start a vanity thread.  MUAD_DIB   Apr-07-10 11:40 AM   #140 
  - so many unrec's. sad. the german people denied there were concentration camps , too.  Mari333   Apr-07-10 11:41 AM   #141 
  - oh for the love of reason. no one is denying these wars  cali   Apr-07-10 11:53 AM   #142 
  - Are we all responsbile for the war, sure, to a certain extent.  MadHound   Apr-07-10 12:19 PM   #144 
  - This is an ignorant post  johnlucas   Apr-07-10 12:45 PM   #147 

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