ArcticFox
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Wed Apr-07-10 08:31 AM
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They were about a kilometer away. The shells travel at 805 m/s. I know for sure that the tape is a degraded view. Even the range, heading and other system information is hard to read. There is probably a version of this where that is all crystal clear. And the people too.
Do you really think we pay billions of dollars for systems that don't let you see one kilometer with clarity? I would be the first to say we overspend on the military, but we do get something for all that money, and it's not cracker jack shit.
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Hissyspit |
Apr-05-10 10:41 PM |
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K&R |
Jamastiene |
Apr-05-10 10:51 PM |
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Apr-05-10 11:02 PM |
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Needs to be seen. |
chill_wind |
Apr-05-10 10:58 PM |
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Apr-05-10 11:02 PM |
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Highly recommended. |
TexasObserver |
Apr-05-10 11:03 PM |
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K&R n/t |
OhioChick |
Apr-05-10 11:05 PM |
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K&R n/t |
Canuckistanian |
Apr-05-10 11:06 PM |
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It's worse than I thought. Damn us. Slaughter. We are slaughterers. We teach our young soldiers |
peacetalksforall |
Apr-05-10 11:15 PM |
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Exactly. The US is the slaughterers of the world. |
Xenotime |
Apr-07-10 09:03 AM |
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K&R |
Luciferous |
Apr-05-10 11:21 PM |
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Well now you see, those guys over there had RPGs you can see it if your not a COMMIE. |
Rex |
Apr-05-10 11:24 PM |
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There were RPGs. And journalists. And AK-47s. And children. NT |
Recursion |
Apr-07-10 12:42 PM |
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Yep, "bringing their kids into a battle" |
gratuitous |
Apr-06-10 12:06 AM |
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You got it! You are supposed to think like a robot and never think that maybe |
Rex |
Apr-06-10 12:09 AM |
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The occupation of Iraq, given that is a war of choice, is a gigantic war crime |
liberation |
Apr-06-10 10:26 AM |
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No Way, No How there is justification for this |
HillbillyBob |
Apr-06-10 10:07 PM |
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Well they feel a duty toward the troops and will say any crazy thing they |
Rex |
Apr-07-10 04:47 AM |
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K&R |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Apr-06-10 12:31 AM |
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There are no words... |
Odin2005 |
Apr-06-10 08:25 AM |
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K&R |
Soylent Brice |
Apr-06-10 09:49 AM |
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K&R. Post was very well done...nt |
SidDithers |
Apr-06-10 09:53 AM |
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knr. |
Mari333 |
Apr-06-10 09:53 AM |
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Most important, now, is we're still doing this shit |
bhikkhu |
Apr-06-10 10:21 AM |
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+1 Easy to see why the world loves us so |
Echo In Light |
Apr-06-10 10:27 AM |
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knr. This is just one moment in 9 years of US wars. |
tekisui |
Apr-06-10 10:31 AM |
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+1 |
Blue_Tires |
Apr-06-10 10:46 AM |
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Watching the entire video made it very clear to me how people what they expect to see or what they |
Brickbat |
Apr-06-10 10:25 AM |
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Exactly, I watched the entire thing. |
krispos42 |
Apr-06-10 11:06 AM |
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I agree with everything you said. |
Brickbat |
Apr-06-10 11:22 AM |
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Do you two remember that basketball video thing? |
Robb |
Apr-06-10 11:26 AM |
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Yup. And it totally got me. |
Brickbat |
Apr-06-10 11:33 AM |
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The pilots had much better visuals |
ArcticFox |
Apr-06-10 07:13 PM |
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You're not considering the distance involved |
jeff47 |
Apr-06-10 10:30 PM |
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Yes I am |
ArcticFox |
Apr-07-10 08:31 AM |
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That is highly dubious |
beckstcw |
Apr-06-10 11:30 PM |
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they put out both the long version and the short version |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-07-10 06:02 AM |
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k |
Mari333 |
Apr-06-10 10:41 AM |
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welcome to war... |
greencharlie |
Apr-06-10 11:38 AM |
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Everyone in Iraq is innocent. |
OnyxCollie |
Apr-06-10 01:15 PM |
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1. Our invasion of Iraq was based pretty much entirely on LIES. |
Hissyspit |
Apr-06-10 04:47 PM |
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Doesn't say much about the soldiers, still just war in general. |
jeff47 |
Apr-06-10 10:51 PM |
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Since you mentioned Pat Tillman. |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-07-10 12:35 AM |
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Re: Since you mentioned Pat Tillman. |
jeff47 |
Apr-07-10 07:24 AM |
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the pilots saw 2-3 people with what they thought were "weapons". they then radioed that |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-07-10 09:30 AM |
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Except there actually was at least 1 armed person there |
jeff47 |
Apr-07-10 12:31 PM |
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unless i missed something, there was nothing like that before they asked permission to kill. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-07-10 12:43 PM |
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Carrying an AK was evidence |
jeff47 |
Apr-08-10 07:25 AM |
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Well, we agree on the Bush administration' illegal occupation |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-07-10 12:48 PM |
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The differences are mostly a matter of scope |
jeff47 |
Apr-08-10 07:37 AM |
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K & R !!! |
WillyT |
Apr-06-10 11:45 AM |
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K&R n/t |
proReality |
Apr-06-10 12:33 PM |
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kicking. |
chill_wind |
Apr-06-10 01:04 PM |
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K&R. nt |
OnyxCollie |
Apr-06-10 01:11 PM |
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I believe Monday should be even more interesting, er, disturbing. |
Deadgnome |
Apr-06-10 04:16 PM |
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Thanks for the post. R |
Better Believe It |
Apr-06-10 04:20 PM |
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K & R nt |
laughingliberal |
Apr-06-10 04:50 PM |
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i can't articulate the rage i feel inside |
mrs_p |
Apr-06-10 05:31 PM |
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One thing that hasn't been mentioned much in favor |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-06-10 06:26 PM |
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+1 |
suffragette |
Apr-06-10 08:21 PM |
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You're assuming nobody reflects on their actions |
jeff47 |
Apr-06-10 10:41 PM |
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I have assumed nothing. |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-07-10 12:46 AM |
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For one thing, you're assuming I'm blase about it |
jeff47 |
Apr-07-10 07:16 AM |
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And since covering up all crimes of past administrations |
Moochy |
Apr-07-10 10:43 AM |
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That's up to us. |
jeff47 |
Apr-07-10 12:38 PM |
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Great point about Pinochet |
Moochy |
Apr-07-10 04:09 PM |
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Well, if having a weapon in Iraq means instant execution by the |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-07-10 01:47 PM |
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It's a war |
jeff47 |
Apr-08-10 07:57 AM |
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There was a very good reason why |
sabrina 1 |
Apr-08-10 04:37 PM |
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K and a big ole R! n/t |
Duer 157099 |
Apr-06-10 06:46 PM |
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K&R |
smokey nj |
Apr-06-10 07:56 PM |
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This is what CNN reported this AM |
Synnical |
Apr-06-10 08:05 PM |
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Whenever you hear "XX insurgents were killed today . . . " |
donco6 |
Apr-06-10 08:06 PM |
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This is what Democracy Now! Reported Today |
Synnical |
Apr-06-10 08:16 PM |
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And a K & R n/t |
Synnical |
Apr-06-10 08:17 PM |
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This is our generation's Pentagon Papers. |
The_Commonist |
Apr-06-10 08:50 PM |
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The more things change . . . |
donco6 |
Apr-06-10 09:08 PM |
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K&R |
amborin |
Apr-06-10 08:58 PM |
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A massacre. |
cornermouse |
Apr-06-10 09:20 PM |
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disgusting |
fascisthunter |
Apr-06-10 10:03 PM |
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Must be a shift change. |
donco6 |
Apr-06-10 10:05 PM |
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This is why pre-emptive war is madness |
jeff47 |
Apr-06-10 10:25 PM |
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Defend it! Go ahead! Someone please tell me how you defend THAT!!!! |
Bonobo |
Apr-06-10 10:32 PM |
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So you want to unleash violence because someone else unleashed violence? |
jeff47 |
Apr-06-10 11:01 PM |
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The difference is that I have control. I do not practice violence on others. nt |
Bonobo |
Apr-06-10 11:12 PM |
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Perhaps you should re-read your previous post |
jeff47 |
Apr-06-10 11:15 PM |
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Apr-06-10 11:22 PM |
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Done. |
beckstcw |
Apr-06-10 11:31 PM |
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What kind of research, oh warrior? nt |
Bonobo |
Apr-06-10 11:35 PM |
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The kind I did below :) |
beckstcw |
Apr-06-10 11:36 PM |
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delete |
Hissyspit |
Apr-07-10 12:13 AM |
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There is no reason to continue this stupid war. |
midnight |
Apr-06-10 10:33 PM |
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Apr-06-10 11:26 PM |
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Apr-06-10 11:31 PM |
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Apr-06-10 11:34 PM |
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Why don't you tell me why those pilots were firing in a populated area to begin with? |
LAGC |
Apr-06-10 11:45 PM |
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Apr-06-10 11:51 PM |
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I have not once said that there were not insurgents involved in the incident: |
Hissyspit |
Apr-07-10 12:06 AM |
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No it's not |
beckstcw |
Apr-07-10 12:19 AM |
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Yes, it is. By the way, |
Hissyspit |
Apr-07-10 12:29 AM |
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Not to wax too eloquent |
beckstcw |
Apr-07-10 12:36 AM |
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No. |
Hissyspit |
Apr-07-10 04:26 AM |
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I have no idea why I posted "no where" three times, instead of nowhere. |
Hissyspit |
Apr-07-10 04:25 AM |
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Yes it is |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-07-10 06:25 AM |
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I'd K&R this if it were it's own thread... Nicely put.. |
walldude |
Apr-07-10 12:45 AM |
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Thank you Hissyspit |
Swamp Rat |
Apr-07-10 12:59 AM |
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I'd agree-- this is a whole OP that could stand all alone |
chill_wind |
Apr-07-10 08:14 AM |
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It's about American exceptionalism. |
Moochy |
Apr-07-10 10:30 AM |
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It doesn't matter, remember? It's the Iraqis fault for bringing their kids to a battle |
EFerrari |
Apr-07-10 12:33 AM |
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Citation for that? |
beckstcw |
Apr-07-10 12:37 AM |
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I thought you said you watched the long version of this video. |
EFerrari |
Apr-07-10 12:39 AM |
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Oops.. caught in his own bullshit... Of course when he talked about how |
walldude |
Apr-07-10 12:41 AM |
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Here's the bit from the transcript: |
EFerrari |
Apr-07-10 12:42 AM |
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Darn, you caught me! |
beckstcw |
Apr-07-10 01:13 AM |
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Now lets hope others catch on too! |
Moochy |
Apr-07-10 10:31 AM |
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Sorry, I should've clarified. Citation for the part about being on their way to the tutor? |
beckstcw |
Apr-07-10 12:45 AM |
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I haven't jumped anywhere. |
EFerrari |
Apr-07-10 12:46 AM |
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Mostly, that comment was aimed at walldude, sorry for that. |
beckstcw |
Apr-07-10 12:50 AM |
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Dan Froomkin has it here: |
EFerrari |
Apr-07-10 12:53 AM |
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Who are the other two men? They aren't mentioned at all. |
beckstcw |
Apr-07-10 01:02 AM |
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Baloney. There was zero reason to blow up that van. n/t |
EFerrari |
Apr-07-10 01:03 AM |
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Like I said, that's possible (PROBABLY, even) true... |
beckstcw |
Apr-07-10 01:09 AM |
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Here is a video that shows these "insurgents" talking about this attack. |
EFerrari |
Apr-07-10 02:38 AM |
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They sounded like they were having fun to me. |
donco6 |
Apr-07-10 05:28 AM |
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Wikileaks provided both the long and short versions |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-07-10 07:05 AM |
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I know that WikiLeaks put out both versions |
beckstcw |
Apr-07-10 05:23 PM |
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Thank you for your concern. n/t |
EFerrari |
Apr-07-10 12:35 AM |
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Apr-07-10 01:21 AM |
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that's your job |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-07-10 07:50 AM |
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Apr-07-10 05:21 PM |
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Why the pilots were so nervous? |
walldude |
Apr-07-10 12:39 AM |
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Nervous? Maybe anxious is a better word |
beckstcw |
Apr-07-10 12:48 AM |
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Ha! "anxious to engage" - yeah. |
donco6 |
Apr-07-10 05:37 AM |
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So anxious to engage they ignored the ROE |
TorchTheWitch |
Apr-07-10 07:28 AM |
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struck me they were just itching to kill :( n/t |
arthritisR_US |
Apr-07-10 12:42 PM |
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Thank You for being a real journalist. During the Vietnam Police Action... |
Indi Guy |
Apr-07-10 01:34 AM |
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Sadness. |
lonestarnot |
Apr-07-10 07:33 AM |
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God bless America |
blindpig |
Apr-07-10 08:24 AM |
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If you think the conservatives busy w/damage control @DU are bad you should see youtube |
Echo In Light |
Apr-07-10 08:28 AM |
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War apologists are sad individuals. |
Rex |
Apr-07-10 12:40 PM |
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Either you're hyperbolizing on purpose, in which case it damages your credibility... |
beckstcw |
Apr-07-10 05:24 PM |
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Here, the arc of the story is disgustingly predictable |
Junkdrawer |
Apr-07-10 07:31 PM |
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+1 |
Moochy |
Apr-07-10 10:43 PM |
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End the Wars |
Moochy |
Apr-07-10 09:39 AM |
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I feel sick. |
HughBeaumont |
Apr-07-10 12:44 PM |
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Kick |
Moochy |
Apr-07-10 04:14 PM |
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I am glad you posted this. I showed my oldest daughter. I couldn't bear to show the video though... |
Bonobo |
Apr-07-10 07:14 PM |
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