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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-10 07:28 AM
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113. So anxious to engage they ignored the ROE
and ignored making a positive ID by zooming in on the people they suspected of carrying weapons who in fact were carrying cameras. They didn't do that when they figured out they fucked up and the insurgents they were looking for were at the site two to three hundred yards exactly where the initial insurgent incident had taken place WITH the weapons they were so sure they saw the journalists carrying.

There is a marked difference in the behavior of the group with the insurgents and the actual insurgents they finally did find back at the original site with the original weapons. You would have noticed that had you been paying attention while watching the long version of the video that Wikileaks generously provided for you to watch. The group with the journalists were walking casually in the middle of the street and meandering about the area while the real insurgents acted hurried and furtive and darted into the building where the initial incident occurred carrying actual weapons in there hands that they tried to conceal they were carrying and not casually slung over their shoulders on a strap or obviously exhibiting them.

Yeah, you're going by what you see and aren't being the least bit honest or objective about it, condemn others for not doing better research when you didn't even know it was Wikileaks who obtained and made public the long version of the video that you use to condemn Wikileaks. You somehow managed to NOT see that in requesting permission to shoot at the wounded man and the people trying to help him that there were no weapons in evidence yet the it was claimed in requesting the green light to fire that they were picking up the body AND WEAPONS when they very clearly were not and no weapons were evident anywhere around them.

If killing unarmed civilians and violating the ROE and the military covering up the whole incident and lying about it and trying every which way to thwart and encrypt the evidence to further try to keep it hidden is nothing to get worked up over you are on the wrong website... but we already noticed that which is why some have been curious as to your appetites concerning pizza.

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  -36 Still Images - WikiLeaks Iraq Video (Dial-Up Warning and UPDATE from Wikileaks Hissyspit  Apr-05-10 10:41 PM   #0 
  - K&R  Jamastiene   Apr-05-10 10:51 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-05-10 11:02 PM   #3 
  - Needs to be seen.  chill_wind   Apr-05-10 10:58 PM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-05-10 11:02 PM   #4 
  - Highly recommended.  TexasObserver   Apr-05-10 11:03 PM   #5 
  - K&R n/t  OhioChick   Apr-05-10 11:05 PM   #6 
  - K&R n/t  Canuckistanian   Apr-05-10 11:06 PM   #7 
  - It's worse than I thought. Damn us. Slaughter. We are slaughterers. We teach our young soldiers  peacetalksforall   Apr-05-10 11:15 PM   #8 
  - Exactly. The US is the slaughterers of the world.  Xenotime   Apr-07-10 09:03 AM   #120 
  - K&R  Luciferous   Apr-05-10 11:21 PM   #9 
  - Well now you see, those guys over there had RPGs you can see it if your not a COMMIE.  Rex   Apr-05-10 11:24 PM   #10 
  - There were RPGs. And journalists. And AK-47s. And children. NT  Recursion   Apr-07-10 12:42 PM   #130 
  - Yep, "bringing their kids into a battle"  gratuitous   Apr-06-10 12:06 AM   #11 
  - You got it! You are supposed to think like a robot and never think that maybe  Rex   Apr-06-10 12:09 AM   #12 
     - The occupation of Iraq, given that is a war of choice, is a gigantic war crime  liberation   Apr-06-10 10:26 AM   #20 
        - No Way, No How there is justification for this  HillbillyBob   Apr-06-10 10:07 PM   #55 
        - Well they feel a duty toward the troops and will say any crazy thing they  Rex   Apr-07-10 04:47 AM   #105 
  - K&R  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-06-10 12:31 AM   #13 
  - There are no words...  Odin2005   Apr-06-10 08:25 AM   #14 
  - K&R  Soylent Brice   Apr-06-10 09:49 AM   #15 
  - K&R. Post was very well done...nt  SidDithers   Apr-06-10 09:53 AM   #16 
  - knr.  Mari333   Apr-06-10 09:53 AM   #17 
  - Most important, now, is we're still doing this shit  bhikkhu   Apr-06-10 10:21 AM   #18 
  - +1 Easy to see why the world loves us so  Echo In Light   Apr-06-10 10:27 AM   #21 
  - knr. This is just one moment in 9 years of US wars.  tekisui   Apr-06-10 10:31 AM   #22 
  - +1  Blue_Tires   Apr-06-10 10:46 AM   #24 
  - Watching the entire video made it very clear to me how people what they expect to see or what they  Brickbat   Apr-06-10 10:25 AM   #19 
  - Exactly, I watched the entire thing.  krispos42   Apr-06-10 11:06 AM   #25 
     - I agree with everything you said.  Brickbat   Apr-06-10 11:22 AM   #26 
     - Do you two remember that basketball video thing?  Robb   Apr-06-10 11:26 AM   #27 
        - Yup. And it totally got me.  Brickbat   Apr-06-10 11:33 AM   #28 
     - The pilots had much better visuals  ArcticFox   Apr-06-10 07:13 PM   #42 
        - You're not considering the distance involved  jeff47   Apr-06-10 10:30 PM   #57 
        - Yes I am  ArcticFox   Apr-07-10 08:31 AM   #119 
        - That is highly dubious  beckstcw   Apr-06-10 11:30 PM   #67 
           - they put out both the long version and the short version  TorchTheWitch   Apr-07-10 06:02 AM   #108 
  - k  Mari333   Apr-06-10 10:41 AM   #23 
  - welcome to war...  greencharlie   Apr-06-10 11:38 AM   #29 
  - Everyone in Iraq is innocent.  OnyxCollie   Apr-06-10 01:15 PM   #34 
  - 1. Our invasion of Iraq was based pretty much entirely on LIES.  Hissyspit   Apr-06-10 04:47 PM   #37 
     - Doesn't say much about the soldiers, still just war in general.  jeff47   Apr-06-10 10:51 PM   #61 
        - Since you mentioned Pat Tillman.  sabrina 1   Apr-07-10 12:35 AM   #81 
           - Re: Since you mentioned Pat Tillman.  jeff47   Apr-07-10 07:24 AM   #112 
              - the pilots saw 2-3 people with what they thought were "weapons". they then radioed that  Hannah Bell   Apr-07-10 09:30 AM   #121 
              - Except there actually was at least 1 armed person there  jeff47   Apr-07-10 12:31 PM   #126 
                 - unless i missed something, there was nothing like that before they asked permission to kill.  Hannah Bell   Apr-07-10 12:43 PM   #131 
                    - Carrying an AK was evidence  jeff47   Apr-08-10 07:25 AM   #143 
              - Well, we agree on the Bush administration' illegal occupation  sabrina 1   Apr-07-10 12:48 PM   #133 
                 - The differences are mostly a matter of scope  jeff47   Apr-08-10 07:37 AM   #144 
  - K & R !!!  WillyT   Apr-06-10 11:45 AM   #30 
  - K&R n/t  proReality   Apr-06-10 12:33 PM   #31 
  - kicking.  chill_wind   Apr-06-10 01:04 PM   #32 
  - K&R. nt  OnyxCollie   Apr-06-10 01:11 PM   #33 
  - I believe Monday should be even more interesting, er, disturbing.  Deadgnome   Apr-06-10 04:16 PM   #35 
  - Thanks for the post. R  Better Believe It   Apr-06-10 04:20 PM   #36 
  - K & R nt  laughingliberal   Apr-06-10 04:50 PM   #38 
  - i can't articulate the rage i feel inside  mrs_p   Apr-06-10 05:31 PM   #39 
  - One thing that hasn't been mentioned much in favor  sabrina 1   Apr-06-10 06:26 PM   #40 
  - +1  suffragette   Apr-06-10 08:21 PM   #48 
  - You're assuming nobody reflects on their actions  jeff47   Apr-06-10 10:41 PM   #60 
     - I have assumed nothing.  sabrina 1   Apr-07-10 12:46 AM   #91 
        - For one thing, you're assuming I'm blase about it  jeff47   Apr-07-10 07:16 AM   #111 
           - And since covering up all crimes of past administrations  Moochy   Apr-07-10 10:43 AM   #125 
           - That's up to us.  jeff47   Apr-07-10 12:38 PM   #127 
              - Great point about Pinochet  Moochy   Apr-07-10 04:09 PM   #135 
           - Well, if having a weapon in Iraq means instant execution by the  sabrina 1   Apr-07-10 01:47 PM   #134 
              - It's a war  jeff47   Apr-08-10 07:57 AM   #145 
                 - There was a very good reason why  sabrina 1   Apr-08-10 04:37 PM   #146 
  - K and a big ole R! n/t  Duer 157099   Apr-06-10 06:46 PM   #41 
  - K&R  smokey nj   Apr-06-10 07:56 PM   #43 
  - This is what CNN reported this AM  Synnical   Apr-06-10 08:05 PM   #44 
  - Whenever you hear "XX insurgents were killed today . . . "  donco6   Apr-06-10 08:06 PM   #45 
  - This is what Democracy Now! Reported Today  Synnical   Apr-06-10 08:16 PM   #46 
  - And a K & R n/t  Synnical   Apr-06-10 08:17 PM   #47 
  - This is our generation's Pentagon Papers.  The_Commonist   Apr-06-10 08:50 PM   #49 
  - The more things change . . .  donco6   Apr-06-10 09:08 PM   #51 
  - K&R  amborin   Apr-06-10 08:58 PM   #50 
  - A massacre.  cornermouse   Apr-06-10 09:20 PM   #52 
  - disgusting  fascisthunter   Apr-06-10 10:03 PM   #53 
  - Must be a shift change.  donco6   Apr-06-10 10:05 PM   #54 
  - This is why pre-emptive war is madness  jeff47   Apr-06-10 10:25 PM   #56 
  - Defend it! Go ahead! Someone please tell me how you defend THAT!!!!  Bonobo   Apr-06-10 10:32 PM   #58 
  - So you want to unleash violence because someone else unleashed violence?  jeff47   Apr-06-10 11:01 PM   #62 
  - The difference is that I have control. I do not practice violence on others. nt  Bonobo   Apr-06-10 11:12 PM   #63 
     - Perhaps you should re-read your previous post  jeff47   Apr-06-10 11:15 PM   #64 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 11:22 PM   #65 
  - Done.  beckstcw   Apr-06-10 11:31 PM   #68 
     - What kind of research, oh warrior? nt  Bonobo   Apr-06-10 11:35 PM   #71 
        - The kind I did below :)  beckstcw   Apr-06-10 11:36 PM   #72 
           - delete  Hissyspit   Apr-07-10 12:13 AM   #76 
  - There is no reason to continue this stupid war.  midnight   Apr-06-10 10:33 PM   #59 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 11:26 PM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 11:31 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 11:34 PM   #70 
     - Why don't you tell me why those pilots were firing in a populated area to begin with?  LAGC   Apr-06-10 11:45 PM   #73 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-06-10 11:51 PM   #74 
        - I have not once said that there were not insurgents involved in the incident:  Hissyspit   Apr-07-10 12:06 AM   #75 
           - No it's not  beckstcw   Apr-07-10 12:19 AM   #77 
           - Yes, it is. By the way,  Hissyspit   Apr-07-10 12:29 AM   #78 
           - Not to wax too eloquent  beckstcw   Apr-07-10 12:36 AM   #82 
           - No.  Hissyspit   Apr-07-10 04:26 AM   #104 
           - I have no idea why I posted "no where" three times, instead of nowhere.  Hissyspit   Apr-07-10 04:25 AM   #103 
           - Yes it is  TorchTheWitch   Apr-07-10 06:25 AM   #109 
           - I'd K&R this if it were it's own thread... Nicely put..  walldude   Apr-07-10 12:45 AM   #89 
           - Thank you Hissyspit  Swamp Rat   Apr-07-10 12:59 AM   #95 
           - I'd agree-- this is a whole OP that could stand all alone  chill_wind   Apr-07-10 08:14 AM   #116 
           - It's about American exceptionalism.  Moochy   Apr-07-10 10:30 AM   #123 
     - It doesn't matter, remember? It's the Iraqis fault for bringing their kids to a battle  EFerrari   Apr-07-10 12:33 AM   #79 
        - Citation for that?  beckstcw   Apr-07-10 12:37 AM   #83 
           - I thought you said you watched the long version of this video.  EFerrari   Apr-07-10 12:39 AM   #84 
              - Oops.. caught in his own bullshit... Of course when he talked about how  walldude   Apr-07-10 12:41 AM   #86 
              - Here's the bit from the transcript:  EFerrari   Apr-07-10 12:42 AM   #87 
              - Darn, you caught me!  beckstcw   Apr-07-10 01:13 AM   #99 
                 - Now lets hope others catch on too!  Moochy   Apr-07-10 10:31 AM   #124 
              - Sorry, I should've clarified. Citation for the part about being on their way to the tutor?  beckstcw   Apr-07-10 12:45 AM   #88 
                 - I haven't jumped anywhere.  EFerrari   Apr-07-10 12:46 AM   #90 
                    - Mostly, that comment was aimed at walldude, sorry for that.  beckstcw   Apr-07-10 12:50 AM   #93 
                       - Dan Froomkin has it here:  EFerrari   Apr-07-10 12:53 AM   #94 
                          - Who are the other two men? They aren't mentioned at all.  beckstcw   Apr-07-10 01:02 AM   #96 
                             - Baloney. There was zero reason to blow up that van. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-07-10 01:03 AM   #97 
                             - Like I said, that's possible (PROBABLY, even) true...  beckstcw   Apr-07-10 01:09 AM   #98 
                                - Here is a video that shows these "insurgents" talking about this attack.  EFerrari   Apr-07-10 02:38 AM   #102 
                                - They sounded like they were having fun to me.  donco6   Apr-07-10 05:28 AM   #106 
                             - Wikileaks provided both the long and short versions  TorchTheWitch   Apr-07-10 07:05 AM   #110 
                                - I know that WikiLeaks put out both versions  beckstcw   Apr-07-10 05:23 PM   #138 
  - Thank you for your concern. n/t  EFerrari   Apr-07-10 12:35 AM   #80 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-07-10 01:21 AM   #100 
     - that's your job  TorchTheWitch   Apr-07-10 07:50 AM   #115 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-07-10 05:21 PM   #137 
  - Why the pilots were so nervous?  walldude   Apr-07-10 12:39 AM   #85 
     - Nervous? Maybe anxious is a better word  beckstcw   Apr-07-10 12:48 AM   #92 
        - Ha! "anxious to engage" - yeah.  donco6   Apr-07-10 05:37 AM   #107 
        - So anxious to engage they ignored the ROE  TorchTheWitch   Apr-07-10 07:28 AM   #113 
        - struck me they were just itching to kill :( n/t  arthritisR_US   Apr-07-10 12:42 PM   #129 
  - Thank You for being a real journalist. During the Vietnam Police Action...  Indi Guy   Apr-07-10 01:34 AM   #101 
  - Sadness.  lonestarnot   Apr-07-10 07:33 AM   #114 
  - God bless America  blindpig   Apr-07-10 08:24 AM   #117 
  - If you think the conservatives busy w/damage control @DU are bad you should see youtube  Echo In Light   Apr-07-10 08:28 AM   #118 
  - War apologists are sad individuals.  Rex   Apr-07-10 12:40 PM   #128 
  - Either you're hyperbolizing on purpose, in which case it damages your credibility...  beckstcw   Apr-07-10 05:24 PM   #139 
  - Here, the arc of the story is disgustingly predictable  Junkdrawer   Apr-07-10 07:31 PM   #141 
     - +1  Moochy   Apr-07-10 10:43 PM   #142 
  - End the Wars  Moochy   Apr-07-10 09:39 AM   #122 
  - I feel sick.  HughBeaumont   Apr-07-10 12:44 PM   #132 
  - Kick  Moochy   Apr-07-10 04:14 PM   #136 
  - I am glad you posted this. I showed my oldest daughter. I couldn't bear to show the video though...  Bonobo   Apr-07-10 07:14 PM   #140 

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