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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 01:34 PM
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28. Again defending the brutality of the
U.S. under the current government ~

From the president's speech, the same propaganda that we in the U.S. always get about our brutal occupations abroad. Which is why it is the duty of citizens not to take the word of any politician. They always use the 'women and children' also. But the reality of the plight of women and children under occupation is entirely different. The Women of Afghanistan have repeatedly asked for the removal of U.S. troops. You ignore their pleas as does this president. He refuses to meet with ordinary women unless they are useful, collaborators.

About the women and children of Afghanistan. They do have organizations, at much risk to themselves where you can listen to what THEY, who are living the nightmare of our accupation, have to say. But that might interfere with your desperate need to defend this adminstration's presence in their country.

So let's just face the facts squarely. The US is not the good guy in Afghanistan. It is an agent of death and destruction. Just check out the town of Marjah, largely destroyed over the last few months in order to "save" it from a handful of Taliban fighters. Over 30 civilians died in that American show of force, and the message of those deaths was clear: allow the Taliban to operate in your town, and we'll kill you--not just your men, but your wives and your children, too.

I believe two pregnant women were killed in that bombing ~ and while the U.S. media did not confirm the story of the slaughter of the school-children, it was confirmed after it could no longer be denied, by the military. But, it was called a 'mistake'.

We are NOT protecting women and children in Afghanistan, we are killing them and their loved ones. And the U.S. needs to get out of other people's countries. They do not want us there.
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  -Mr. President: Why are Americans dying in Afghanistan? Cyrano  Apr-04-10 12:31 PM   #0 
  - If America was to flee Afghanistan 10s of thousands of Afghanis that supported America  NJmaverick   Apr-04-10 12:39 PM   #1 
  - As opposed to being killed by us  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-04-10 12:42 PM   #2 
  - EXCEPT that we are not killing 10s of thousands of Afghan civilians  NJmaverick   Apr-04-10 12:44 PM   #5 
     - And we didn't kill 10s of thousands of Iraqis either  proud2BlibKansan   Apr-04-10 01:04 PM   #11 
     - My world has a blue sky and is ruled by the facts  NJmaverick   Apr-04-10 01:11 PM   #14 
     - Mmmm aren't you the person  sabrina 1   Apr-04-10 01:10 PM   #13 
     - The polls and surveys dispute your claims that "they want us out"  NJmaverick   Apr-04-10 01:13 PM   #15 
        - Polls?  sabrina 1   Apr-04-10 02:06 PM   #38 
        - whoaaa...aren't you one of those that say..Polls don't matter?? and are flawed?????  flyarm   Apr-04-10 02:23 PM   #40 
        - Hey Bertie, try these facts on for size, eh?  robdogbucky   Apr-04-10 02:54 PM   #43 
        - this from a person who (to her) the only credible Progressives are the following.,Fucking comedians!  flyarm   Apr-04-10 03:07 PM   #45 
     - read post #63 & 64 Karzai threatening to join Taliban!  flyarm   Apr-04-10 07:36 PM   #66 
  - Oh, okay. Let's stay there forever.  Cyrano   Apr-04-10 12:43 PM   #4 
  - Sorry if the facts dispute your assertions, but the facts matter  NJmaverick   Apr-04-10 12:48 PM   #7 
     - standard talking points, but not facts  amborin   Apr-04-10 12:57 PM   #9 
     - No it's fact, the poster claimed Obama had not mentioned the welfare of the Afghan people  NJmaverick   Apr-04-10 01:03 PM   #10 
        - "welfare of the Afghan people" as in air strikes that kill civilians? winning hearts & minds!  amborin   Apr-04-10 01:13 PM   #16 
        - now that would be a perfect example of a talking point  NJmaverick   Apr-04-10 01:14 PM   #18 
           - Air strikes kill civilians.  Orsino   Apr-04-10 03:49 PM   #51 
        - Ummm, I'm the OP. And I don't see where I mentioned that "fact."  Cyrano   Apr-04-10 01:14 PM   #17 
           - ummm right in post number 4  NJmaverick   Apr-04-10 01:15 PM   #19 
              - Sorry, You're right. I mentioned it. All I left out was that the  Cyrano   Apr-04-10 01:27 PM   #21 
              - What was stated in that post IS a fact.  sabrina 1   Apr-04-10 02:14 PM   #39 
     - Talking point with a fail "especially women and girls". I have already in a prior  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-04-10 01:28 PM   #22 
     - The short comings your bring up pale in comparison to the HORRIFIC abuses faced  NJmaverick   Apr-04-10 01:29 PM   #24 
     - You've got to be frigging kidding me. Obviously you didn't read what I posted but others can go to  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-04-10 01:32 PM   #26 
     - What's clear is you are unaware of what people faced under the rule of the Taliban  NJmaverick   Apr-04-10 01:34 PM   #29 
        - Rape is rape and murder is murder and torture is torture no matter at whose hands it  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-04-10 01:36 PM   #31 
        - oh yeah we are protecting them alright..please go back and get new talking points,,this is pathetic  flyarm   Apr-04-10 03:12 PM   #46 
        - And then there's Glenn Greenwald's column in Salon about this too  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-04-10 03:21 PM   #47 
           - ah yes and the little propagandists here are workimg very hard to shut up debate by using women and  flyarm   Apr-04-10 03:36 PM   #49 
           - Glen hits it out of the park..once again!! Thanks for that link!! and  flyarm   Apr-04-10 03:59 PM   #53 
           - Your welcome  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-04-10 04:03 PM   #56 
           - .....  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-05-10 10:28 AM   #70 
        - And you don't understand, the same criminals that committed horrendous crimes against Afgan& Iraqi  flyarm   Apr-04-10 03:24 PM   #48 
     - The U.S. bombing in Marjah killed women and children  sabrina 1   Apr-04-10 01:42 PM   #34 
     - Unfortunately for U.S. propaganda,  sabrina 1   Apr-04-10 01:47 PM   #37 
     - Those are all good points. Another good point is that we cannot  truedelphi   Apr-04-10 03:00 PM   #44 
        - You're 100% right.  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-04-10 04:08 PM   #57 
     - Again defending the brutality of the  sabrina 1   Apr-04-10 01:34 PM   #28 
     - surge update: U.S. Admits Role in February Killing of Afghan Women  flyarm   Apr-04-10 10:15 PM   #68 
  - If we were invaded how would you feel about our citizens who collaborated with the invaders?  NNN0LHI   Apr-04-10 01:23 PM   #20 
  - You could make your same argument to about the German and Japanese  NJmaverick   Apr-04-10 01:28 PM   #23 
     - I didn't make an argument. I asked a couple of questions that you avoided answering  NNN0LHI   Apr-04-10 01:34 PM   #27 
     - asked to hard a question!..your answer is *Crickets"  flyarm   Apr-04-10 04:46 PM   #60 
     - the German insurgents were put out of operation in less than 2 years..  flyarm   Apr-04-10 03:47 PM   #50 
  - So... when are you enlisting?  jgraz   Apr-04-10 04:33 PM   #58 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-04-10 04:42 PM   #59 
  - read post number 63.......eom  flyarm   Apr-04-10 07:32 PM   #64 
  - K&R  amborin   Apr-04-10 12:42 PM   #3 
  - Your evaluation of the reason is correct. It's "Democrats are tough" PR.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-04-10 12:45 PM   #6 
  - I'm sure the 2010 midterm elections werent on the President's mind when he was running for President  MadBadger   Apr-04-10 12:55 PM   #8 
  - Question everything. knr nt  Union Yes   Apr-04-10 01:08 PM   #12 
  - Because there is a war going on...  butterfly77   Apr-04-10 01:30 PM   #25 
  - You're trying to make a joke. ... Aren't you???  Cyrano   Apr-04-10 01:36 PM   #30 
     - You asked...  butterfly77   Apr-04-10 08:47 PM   #67 
  - Allegedly to root out Al-Queda...which isn't there. But, it sounds good.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-04-10 01:39 PM   #32 
  - Thank you for getting back to the original point of this post.  Cyrano   Apr-04-10 01:42 PM   #33 
  - Frankfurt, Germany, too....and many other places....  amborin   Apr-04-10 01:43 PM   #35 
  - Completely political. Also, we want impose our capitalist society on them.  Arctic Dave   Apr-04-10 01:45 PM   #36 
  - Poppies. nt  valerief   Apr-04-10 02:33 PM   #41 
  - + 10,000!!! and oil pipelines..eom  flyarm   Apr-04-10 04:00 PM   #54 
     - +20,000!!!!!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Apr-04-10 04:02 PM   #55 
  - So the MIC & Corporate Elite can continue to loot the Treasury.  CrispyQ   Apr-04-10 02:34 PM   #42 
  - Because we'd look pretty stupid...  Orsino   Apr-04-10 03:50 PM   #52 
  - A good read is "The Pornography of Power: How Defense Hawks Hijacked 9/11...  Robeson   Apr-04-10 04:52 PM   #61 
  - Why, 9/11 of course.  rug   Apr-04-10 04:55 PM   #62 
  - President Hamid Karzai's : Afghan Leader Suggests He Could Be Compelled To Join The Taliban...  flyarm   Apr-04-10 07:29 PM   #63 
  - The Inhumanity of War ; Just what are we doing in Afghanistan?  flyarm   Apr-04-10 07:34 PM   #65 
  - Arms, Opium, Oil, Corruption, Israel, CIA, Xe, individual & corp greed  unc70   Apr-05-10 03:24 AM   #69 

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