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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-04-10 12:15 PM
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7. I don't buy it
There's nothing wrong with protecting profits. Wink and nods to politicians have been and are more prevalent in socialist countries, where corruption and unitary party rule lead to enormous environmental damages. Or do you forget Chernobyl? Or the Sea of Azov? The destruction of the environment isn't associated with capitalism, it's associated with homo sapiens population - and the record by socialist nations has been dismal.

Maybe the problem arises because so many of you are not aware of history, or what really happens in a socialist versus a capitalist society.

Also, I happen to be familiar with ship navigation rule making. The ship ran aground because of human error. Putting a pilot aboard may or may not have been the best solution. And this has nothing to do with capitalism. Putting a pilot aboard a vessel navigating far from shore isn't such a simple matter. It makes more sense to have ship lanes well defined, ensure the vessels have proper navigation equipment, and marine patrols and transponders aboard the vessels can be used to make sure they follow the ship lanes.

Unfortunately, under the law of the sea, there is a limit to the ability of nations to monitor ship events far from shore. And this is where the problem really arises, they dump garbage and bilge water away from everybody's eyes. And this is done whether the ship's owner is capitalist, socialist, or communist.
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  -Grounded Ship: 3km Oil Spill on Great Barrier Reef -- "High Speed Impact" ... defendandprotect  Apr-04-10 10:54 AM   #0 
  - defendandprotect,  cbayer   Apr-04-10 11:10 AM   #1 
  - Insanity of Capitalism?  protocol rv   Apr-04-10 11:26 AM   #2 
  - not paying to have a marine pilot on board is a capitalism issue  nannah   Apr-04-10 11:46 AM   #5 
  - Are you suggesting that the rich get richer by cutting corners???  ConcernedCanuk   Apr-04-10 12:02 PM   #6 
  - I don't buy it  protocol rv   Apr-04-10 12:15 PM   #7 
  - wielding a power differential to benefit yourself...  nannah   Apr-04-10 12:36 PM   #9 
  - Having "power" does not give you a right to do something . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-04-10 05:02 PM   #16 
     - weilding a power differential to benefit yourself is what has happened again and again  nannah   Apr-04-10 11:09 PM   #23 
  - Human error exists, unfortunately -- that's why nuclear stuff isn't good for anything!!  defendandprotect   Apr-04-10 04:59 PM   #15 
  - Not having a local pilot does not seem to be the problem.  ManiacJoe   Apr-04-10 02:07 PM   #12 
     - Oh, but it was too expensive  AnnieBW   Apr-04-10 03:12 PM   #13 
     - . . . and a pilot would not have noticed it was off course . . . !!!????  defendandprotect   Apr-04-10 05:03 PM   #17 
        - Or an attentive captain or other bridge crew?!?!?!?  ManiacJoe   Apr-04-10 06:35 PM   #20 
           - Evidently, those familiar with shipping think a pilot should be on board . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-04-10 07:48 PM   #21 
              - I am not sure that "Greens" would necessarily qualify as  ManiacJoe   Apr-05-10 04:33 PM   #24 
                 - From the article: Senator Brown, a Green Leader -- and "common sense" . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-05-10 09:52 PM   #25 
  - Capitalism is based on exploitation -- of nature and natural resources . ..  defendandprotect   Apr-04-10 04:52 PM   #14 
  - horrible news - with horrible consequences  ensho   Apr-04-10 11:28 AM   #3 
  - Didn't realize when I posted this, however, that the fact it involves Chinese . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-04-10 05:04 PM   #18 
  - K&R . //nt  Overseas   Apr-04-10 11:31 AM   #4 
  - K&R  amborin   Apr-04-10 12:16 PM   #8 
  - Saw this on BBC  malaise   Apr-04-10 12:38 PM   #10 
  - And there lies our fate in Fla now with much of our shorelines going to be exposed to Oil drilling!  flyarm   Apr-04-10 12:50 PM   #11 
  - Any chance that you're going to be able to stop Obama?  defendandprotect   Apr-04-10 05:06 PM   #19 
  - amount of oil is considered relatively small at this stag  walldude   Apr-04-10 07:52 PM   #22 
 

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