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57. There is more to it than that. Read books like Lakoff's. Repetition alone doesn't work
That is why the tea baggers still persist despite the obvious. Not because they have had repetitive talking points (which they have), but they have had stories reinforced in their minds until they are somewhat "locked".

Interestingly, the primary mechanism to reach most people is emotion, not "reason". And you have to follow neuron pathways that are already established. Thus, using metaphors and "stories" that reinforce.

Republicans are masters at this. We are still little children playing around the edges.

I think the talking point "party of no" is a better example. That follows an "authoritarian" story most of us have in our minds (through culture and family).

Digging deeper... We can't use "authoritarian" stories as a primary vehicle, because while this may make headway, it also reinforces the authoritarian "father model that we have been fighting for 30 years. We have to use the "nurturing" model which most of the population also identifies with (nurturing mother model) and start to move our society toward that model.

You can probably combine the two into a single point. This is probably not the best example, but something like "The Republican "party of no", is the party of selfishness" (poor example, but hopefully it is descriptive). The opposite of selfishness is caring for others, which appeals to the nurturing mother "story" in our minds. If you repeat that enough people will start to reject the authoritarian ideas.

Anyway, this may sound odd but if you learn linguistics and the sociology of the mind it will become much more clear.

The Republicans actually understand the mind better than us. Companies do too, they practice it all the time with mass marketing.
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  -Republicans destroyed this economy - Obama saved it temporarily. kentuck  Apr-03-10 12:28 PM   #0 
  - "...saved it." ???? Like past tense, like it's already saved? What planet do you live on?  Better Today   Apr-03-10 12:31 PM   #1 
  - I agree that it can slide back down ...  kentuck   Apr-03-10 12:35 PM   #5 
  - Did we bottom to the Great Depression? No we didn't, we might get better slowly but we sure as hell  NotThisTime   Apr-03-10 12:38 PM   #10 
  - yes, saved it. as in, we are not in the midst of a Great Depression right now.  Aramchek   Apr-03-10 12:58 PM   #24 
     - Well bankers aren't anyway, huh? The rest of us, the 16-18% unemployed  Better Today   Apr-03-10 01:03 PM   #29 
        - you don't put much weight in factuality, do you?  Aramchek   Apr-03-10 08:45 PM   #51 
           - Huh, like all the corrective fact listings you've used to rebut me?  Better Today   Apr-03-10 09:07 PM   #52 
  - I wish it were that simple to place blame but IMO the majority of Senators and Congresspersons that  jody   Apr-03-10 12:33 PM   #2 
  - +1  Cleita   Apr-03-10 12:35 PM   #6 
  - If you wish to give equal blame to the Democrats...  kentuck   Apr-03-10 12:37 PM   #8 
  - You distort my post by saying "equal blame to the Democrats". I clearly said every vote cast for a  jody   Apr-03-10 12:46 PM   #14 
     - And I think my post placed blame on some Democrats also?  kentuck   Apr-03-10 12:51 PM   #16 
        - Then your subject should have said "Republicans & Democrats destroyed this economy". It also  jody   Apr-03-10 12:56 PM   #19 
           - Because that would imply they are equally responsible...  kentuck   Apr-03-10 12:58 PM   #21 
              - My point is valid every SINGLE VOTE is equally responsible. n/t  jody   Apr-03-10 12:59 PM   #25 
              - If Bush had not lied us into the war in Iraq...  kentuck   Apr-03-10 01:06 PM   #32 
                 - You and I can exchange special cases all day long and when the dust settles leaders from both  jody   Apr-03-10 01:13 PM   #39 
                 - But..but...but...  kentuck   Apr-03-10 01:15 PM   #41 
                    - Don't see that happening as long as we have two parties controlled by leaders at the national level  jody   Apr-03-10 01:38 PM   #48 
                       - Or another Teddy Roosevelt?  kentuck   Apr-03-10 01:53 PM   #49 
                          - Teddy said "'Behind the ostensible Government sits enthroned an invisible Government,  jody   Apr-03-10 02:01 PM   #50 
                 - The bust and the loss of our leadership and innovation was not Bush's fault!  Go2Peace   Apr-03-10 01:22 PM   #44 
                    - The stock market was playing games with people's lives even then.  kentuck   Apr-03-10 01:28 PM   #47 
              - They are *almost* equally responsible.  Go2Peace   Apr-03-10 01:04 PM   #30 
                 - You've convinced me.  kentuck   Apr-03-10 01:08 PM   #35 
                    - Well I am not  Go2Peace   Apr-03-10 01:16 PM   #42 
                       - Democrats were "de-nutted" by Reagan...  kentuck   Apr-03-10 01:19 PM   #43 
                          - I totally agree.  Go2Peace   Apr-03-10 01:24 PM   #45 
  - It is interesting how some here view everything as if it is a football game  Go2Peace   Apr-03-10 12:58 PM   #22 
     - Gallup reports 16% approval for congress, 80% disapproval yet most incumbents will be reelected. n/t  jody   Apr-03-10 01:03 PM   #28 
  - .  rcrush   Apr-03-10 12:34 PM   #3 
  - ...  leftstreet   Apr-03-10 12:35 PM   #4 
  - He put it on life support. It's not saved yet, but I  Cleita   Apr-03-10 12:36 PM   #7 
  - Well, he put Banksters and the MIC on life support, but not We the People  leftstreet   Apr-03-10 12:38 PM   #9 
  - You have a very strange definition of the word 'saved'.  Greyhound   Apr-03-10 12:39 PM   #11 
  - "Saved"..  kentuck   Apr-03-10 12:48 PM   #15 
     - I know, and it is frustrating in the extreme.  Greyhound   Apr-03-10 01:07 PM   #34 
  - Unfortunately tax cuts isn't all they have  NNN0LHI   Apr-03-10 12:43 PM   #12 
  - Good post  Gman   Apr-03-10 12:43 PM   #13 
  - works not near done. There have been ***no*** real reforms, only temporary measures  Go2Peace   Apr-03-10 12:53 PM   #17 
  - I would agree with that.  kentuck   Apr-03-10 12:56 PM   #18 
     - Then the word "saved" would be inappropriate would it not?  Raineyb   Apr-03-10 01:06 PM   #31 
        - Perhaps there is a better word?  kentuck   Apr-03-10 01:09 PM   #36 
        - I understand what Kentuck is saying  Go2Peace   Apr-03-10 01:13 PM   #38 
  - Why do  whatsthebuzz   Apr-03-10 12:57 PM   #20 
  - Oh yes, I feel saved  laughingliberal   Apr-03-10 12:58 PM   #23 
  - We are headed into that depression unless...  kentuck   Apr-03-10 01:02 PM   #26 
  - No, I don't think the Republicans will save us, either  laughingliberal   Apr-03-10 01:07 PM   #33 
  - I see your point  Go2Peace   Apr-03-10 01:26 PM   #46 
  - Many Republicans won't believe in global warming until millions are displaced by rising oceans  HughMoran   Apr-03-10 10:29 PM   #59 
  - well, that is a half truth,  branders seine   Apr-03-10 01:02 PM   #27 
  - Obama is a Free Market guy.  Mithreal   Apr-03-10 01:12 PM   #37 
  - Oh, 'Pugs didn't wreck it all on their own  MadHound   Apr-03-10 01:14 PM   #40 
  - True, and it should be repeated over and over.  gulliver   Apr-03-10 09:22 PM   #53 
  - Do you mean...?  kentuck   Apr-03-10 09:28 PM   #54 
     - I think the Big Lie concept applies to Big Truth too.  gulliver   Apr-03-10 09:39 PM   #55 
        - There is more to it than that. Read books like Lakoff's. Repetition alone doesn't work  Go2Peace   Apr-03-10 10:04 PM   #57 
           - But....  kentuck   Apr-03-10 10:21 PM   #58 
  - Yup, Supply side GOP/Reaganomics has bankrupted America.  Union Yes   Apr-03-10 09:40 PM   #56 

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