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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-02-10 11:32 AM
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  -If Obama went for Single Payer and failed, apples and oranges  Apr-02-10 09:21 AM   #0 
  - I would rather have seen him try to get single payer and if that didn't happen go for a publicoption  no limit   Apr-02-10 09:23 AM   #1 
  - So you'd rather that he failed and set back the health debate another 20 years like Clinton did?  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 09:34 AM   #7 
  - By digging the insurance companies in deeper by making Romney Care national  dflprincess   Apr-02-10 10:19 AM   #49 
  - The only reason, it wasn't done in 20 years was because Clinton walked  Cleita   Apr-02-10 11:03 AM   #65 
  - Same false premise, the appeal to consequence. n/t  Greyhound   Apr-02-10 12:35 PM   #99 
  - In the world of politics you don't get do overs  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 09:37 AM   #8 
  - Tell that to the person making $14 an hour who will now be required to come up with $200 a month  no limit   Apr-02-10 09:42 AM   #14 
  - I wish I could change reality, but I can't. All any of us can do  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 09:52 AM   #20 
  - Why do people making between $10-$15/hr have to always be the ones asked to sacrafice  no limit   Apr-02-10 09:55 AM   #26 
     - Why wasn't I born with Cary Grant looks and a billion dollars?  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 09:57 AM   #28 
        - So you are saying pull yourself up by the boot straps you lazy bums?  no limit   Apr-02-10 10:09 AM   #40 
        - You know that's not my argument. If you are going to be that obtuse  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 10:11 AM   # 
           - Then how is someone living on $12.50 an hour supposed to pay for the mandate?  no limit   Apr-02-10 10:14 AM   #47 
              - You have not demonstrated that the person can not afford to pay for the insurance  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 10:23 AM   #50 
                 - There is nothing to demonstrate. That person makes about $1,400 a month after taxes  no limit   Apr-02-10 10:40 AM   #55 
                 - Let us see the monthly budget break out  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 11:11 AM   #72 
                    - You got it below, dont ignore it this time around. I want your reply  no limit   Apr-02-10 11:22 AM   #76 
                    - Oh dear god.  muffin1   Apr-02-10 11:22 AM   #77 
                       - That rent can be reduced with a room mate  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 11:26 AM   #80 
                          - So everyone has the ability to get a roomate?  no limit   Apr-02-10 11:29 AM   #82 
                             - Yep.  muffin1   Apr-02-10 11:41 AM   #90 
                                - Absolutely. This is common sense to anyone that ever lived on that kind of income  no limit   Apr-02-10 11:46 AM   #92 
                 - A blind person could see how that person can't afford it.  muffin1   Apr-02-10 11:01 AM   #64 
                 - Where is the monthly budget break out?  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 11:11 AM   #71 
                    - Do you know how much a loaf of bread costs? I'm guessing you don't  no limit   Apr-02-10 11:26 AM   #79 
                       - I notice you do a whole lot of guessing and you are usually wrong  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 11:31 AM   #85 
                          - You seem totally foreign to the concept of living on $12 /hr. It was a rhetorical question  no limit   Apr-02-10 11:32 AM   #88 
                 - You need a demonstration of what is generally simple math?  Raineyb   Apr-02-10 11:09 AM   #69 
                    - Math with out numbers?  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 11:10 AM   #70 
                    - Jesus fucking christ. So out of touch, here I'll do simple math for you  no limit   Apr-02-10 11:21 AM   #75 
                    - You already established a $1400 take home  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 11:30 AM   #83 
                       - What the hell are you talking about? With the math above they are left with $80 /month  no limit   Apr-02-10 11:32 AM   #86 
                          - You crazy librul!!11!!  muffin1   Apr-02-10 11:51 AM   #95 
                    - You have the take home. You know what things cost in your area you can do the math your damn self  Raineyb   Apr-02-10 11:45 AM   #91 
                    - The point is to drag this out as much as possible to have all this deleted  no limit   Apr-02-10 11:27 AM   # 
        - Who is Carrie Grant? n/t  muffin1   Apr-02-10 10:09 AM   #41 
  - Wrong.  subterranean   Apr-02-10 10:01 AM   #32 
     - Fair enough. Drop the income down to $12.50 /hr and they will have to pay $168 a month  no limit   Apr-02-10 10:08 AM   #39 
  - You left off "if you try to do for the people".  Greyhound   Apr-02-10 12:40 PM   #100 
  - For what it's worth, I agree that he should have begun negotiations with Medicare for All, and...  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 09:37 AM   #9 
     - Easy to say when you won't be hurt by this bill, as millions of single americans will  no limit   Apr-02-10 09:42 AM   #12 
        - You're right, it would be better to fail and live with no hope of fixing a flawed system...  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 09:45 AM   #17 
           - Like I said, tell that to the people that won't be able to afford this mandate  no limit   Apr-02-10 09:54 AM   #22 
              - Yeah, that's about all you've said. Why don't you tell the parents of the children who...  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 09:59 AM   #30 
              - Why do you keep repeating arguments you know aren't logical. We already had this discussion  no limit   Apr-02-10 10:05 AM   #37 
                 - You must be thinking of someone else. Because that's not my argument.  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 10:09 AM   #42 
                    - Nope thats not my logic at all. My logic is lets not piss on people that are already hurting  no limit   Apr-02-10 10:12 AM   #46 
                       - It's never okay to hurt some people, contrary to your logic. But sometimes we need to advance...  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 10:49 AM   #57 
                          - You don't see the problem with what you just said? You want to reread what you just wrote?  no limit   Apr-02-10 10:53 AM   #61 
                             - Point to where I say I support this bill, Fonzie.  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 10:57 AM   #62 
                                - So do you think this bill should have failed?  no limit   Apr-02-10 10:59 AM   #63 
                                   - Romneycare hurts a lot of people a lot of ways.  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 11:06 AM   #67 
                                      - So when you said it's NEVER ok to hurt people you didn' really mean that, you were just talking  no limit   Apr-02-10 11:24 AM   #78 
                                         - I told you not to put on the water skis, Fonzie...  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 11:27 AM   #81 
                                            - Keep laughing while people will be forced to come up with money they dont have. Very funny indeed  no limit   Apr-02-10 11:31 AM   #84 
                                               - And it doesn't change the fact that you are ok with hurting people to advance yours.  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 12:17 PM   #96 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-02-10 12:25 PM   #97 
              - If you truly can't afford insurance, the govt will help you get insurance  emulatorloo   Apr-02-10 10:01 AM   #31 
                 - Absolutely not true. I just posted numbers after subsidies. $14/hr you pay $200 a month  no limit   Apr-02-10 10:03 AM   #34 
                    - Where are these numbers and were are you getting them from? THANKS! n/t  emulatorloo   Apr-02-10 10:29 AM   #51 
                       - I posted this in the thread above, sorry should have added it again. here:  no limit   Apr-02-10 10:41 AM   #56 
                          - Thank for the link -- I appreciate it!  emulatorloo   Apr-02-10 01:27 PM   #102 
  - are ou suggesting that if he failed with Single Payer there would have been no bill?  DrDan   Apr-02-10 09:27 AM   #2 
  - Yes. That would have angered Republicans and we wouldn't have...  Junkdrawer   Apr-02-10 09:29 AM   #4 
  - Exactly  Nuclear Unicorn   Apr-02-10 09:33 AM   #6 
  - Would a majority of democrats have voted for single payer?  apples and oranges   Apr-02-10 09:50 AM   #19 
     - Can I invite you to my Friday poker game?  Junkdrawer   Apr-02-10 09:54 AM   #24 
  - Not for another 2 decades based on history  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 09:37 AM   #10 
     - Why? If singe payer failed he could have moved on to the public option  no limit   Apr-02-10 09:43 AM   #15 
        - That would be the way a smart negotiator would have done it.  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 09:53 AM   #21 
        - Ummm...  muffin1   Apr-02-10 10:32 AM   #53 
           - Some states will do it long before others.The problem right now is the economy. I think  GreenPartyVoter   Apr-02-10 10:53 AM   #59 
        - Congress has a lot on its plate. With something as big as Health Care Reform  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 09:54 AM   #23 
        - And by the way, since you're implying that you're such a big advocate of "single payer"...  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 09:55 AM   #25 
        - Because I feel most people reading this are smart enough to see past how you phrase something  no limit   Apr-02-10 09:56 AM   #27 
           - Wow, rather than changing a simple behavior to help what you are supposedly advocating...  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 10:02 AM   #33 
              - You are the one that seems to think this is some game. I am trying to have an adult conversation  no limit   Apr-02-10 10:10 AM   #43 
                 - It doesn't offend me. But then that was a deliberate frame that you chose, versus saying...  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 10:53 AM   #60 
        - By then, the media would have torn Obama and the dems to shreds  apples and oranges   Apr-02-10 09:57 AM   #29 
           - Yeah, good thing everything went so smoothly by doing it this way.  ClassWarrior   Apr-02-10 10:05 AM   #36 
  - Self Delete - Posted wrong spot.  Junkdrawer   Apr-02-10 09:28 AM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-02-10 09:30 AM   #5 
  - Agreed.  spoony   Apr-02-10 10:06 AM   #38 
  - That pretty much sums up the difference between a pragmatist and an idealist  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 09:38 AM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-02-10 09:42 AM   #13 
  - Why not just answer the question?  apples and oranges   Apr-02-10 09:48 AM   #18 
  - Gosh...  Birthmark   Apr-02-10 09:44 AM   #16 
  - If he TRIED and failed, he would get points for taking a strong position  Lydia Leftcoast   Apr-02-10 10:04 AM   #35 
  - Exactly...and on all counts  Echo In Light   Apr-02-10 10:11 AM   #44 
  - Yes.  LWolf   Apr-02-10 10:11 AM   #45 
  - Not if he still has his wars going in Afghanistan and Iraq.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Apr-02-10 10:17 AM   #48 
  - These all or nothing people would still vote for Kucinich. NM  high density   Apr-02-10 10:30 AM   #52 
  - This Old Democrat will vote for, work for, and contribute to  Cleita   Apr-02-10 11:06 AM   #66 
  - Yes- if he fights for us, I vote for him  Tailormyst   Apr-02-10 10:35 AM   #54 
  - Big Three  SocialistLez   Apr-02-10 10:50 AM   #58 
  - I find it extremely difficult to take anyone seriously who thinks that the  Raineyb   Apr-02-10 11:08 AM   #68 
  - "bailouts (which did nothing to fix the underlying problems with the economy)"  NJmaverick   Apr-02-10 11:21 AM   #74 
     - Dealing with banks is not heart surgery. And here it is a year and a half later  Raineyb   Apr-02-10 11:49 AM   #93 
  - 'and reversed all the bailouts so that the economy crashed' - whatever.  Bluebear   Apr-02-10 11:12 AM   #73 
  - silly  fascisthunter   Apr-02-10 11:32 AM   #87 
  - You sit on a throne of lies  harun   Apr-02-10 11:38 AM   #89 
  - If it was all obviously because of Republican and Blue Dog obstructionism...  JackRiddler   Apr-02-10 11:51 AM   #94 
  - Congratulations on the most appropriate DU handle ever.  jgraz   Apr-02-10 12:30 PM   #98 
  - All these false premises and scare tactics, is that all you people have?  Greyhound   Apr-02-10 12:47 PM   #101 
  - I didn't expect the defensive reactions  apples and oranges   Apr-02-10 01:35 PM   #103 
     - DUers who call bullshit on your carefully constructed OP...  WorseBeforeBetter   Apr-02-10 01:41 PM   #104 

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