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Wed Mar-24-10 12:31 PM
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| 59. I would say the latter. We are mandated to have auto insurance as well. |
| -Now we can end homelessness - LET'S MANDATE HOMELESS PEOPLE BUY A HOUSE! |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-24-10 11:05 AM |
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The whole thing means little to me |
Cronus Protagonist |
Mar-24-10 11:08 AM |
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Subsidize the purchases, guarantee the loans, and tax luxurious 2 bedroom cadillac condos |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 11:09 AM |
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Amen! |
Walk away |
Mar-24-10 02:47 PM |
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LOL! good analogy |
amborin |
Mar-24-10 05:28 PM |
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Using a mans own words against him is low. My kind of low. n/t |
galileoreloaded |
Mar-24-10 11:10 AM |
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+1 |
Ignis |
Mar-24-10 06:03 PM |
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The free market works. Or the government will FORCE it to! |
Romulox |
Mar-24-10 11:10 AM |
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the context was, he'd argue |
bigtree |
Mar-24-10 11:13 AM |
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I don't even think he believed it was part of the solution then |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 11:16 AM |
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it's a cheap shot, I think |
bigtree |
Mar-24-10 11:19 AM |
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Politics is a cheap shot |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 11:21 AM |
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I think that a few successes lessen the cynicism |
bigtree |
Mar-24-10 11:28 AM |
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Not when the cost of "success" is so high |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 11:35 AM |
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you know that we don't all share the same experiences? |
bigtree |
Mar-24-10 11:55 AM |
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The context was that this statement was part of his ongoing |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-24-10 11:21 AM |
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It was part of his ongoing attempt to get elected |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 11:36 AM |
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That is not what he said, but nice try. I can post his own words |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-24-10 11:48 AM |
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the proposals he made, and the new law, provides subsidies |
bigtree |
Mar-24-10 12:11 PM |
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That excuse, regarding a filibuster |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-24-10 12:25 PM |
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How do you 'reconcile' a bill that hasn't yet been passed? |
bigtree |
Mar-24-10 12:28 PM |
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Not sure what you mean. |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-24-10 12:56 PM |
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We can (still) expand Medicare in reconcilliation, at any time. |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-24-10 01:27 PM |
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Good lord... how Orwellian! |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-24-10 02:55 PM |
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Obama is doubleplusgood thinker! |
readmoreoften |
Mar-24-10 11:32 PM |
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If it would get subsidies to help those who cannot afford a house |
liberal N proud |
Mar-24-10 11:13 AM |
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Yes, because that wouldn't create a disasterous bubble with massive private profits everywhere |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 11:18 AM |
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Wouldn't it create jobs building those homes? |
liberal N proud |
Mar-24-10 11:21 AM |
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So? |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 11:28 AM |
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Massive excess home inventory is the problem now. We don't NEED any new homes. n/t |
galileoreloaded |
Mar-24-10 11:34 AM |
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It was called "the housing bubble" n/t |
brentspeak |
Mar-24-10 05:41 PM |
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Of course your not addressing the cost solution proposed in the bill, you change the subject to some |
uponit7771 |
Mar-24-10 11:54 AM |
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There is no real cost solution in the bill |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 12:00 PM |
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There ARE subsidies to make purchasing the insurance more affordable for lower income folk, you guys |
uponit7771 |
Mar-24-10 12:01 PM |
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Subsidies are not costs controls! |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 12:05 PM |
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For the pooer individual they are...the subject wasn't budgetary cost controls. Those at the top pay |
uponit7771 |
Mar-24-10 12:10 PM |
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I don't think you understand what "costs controls" mean |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 12:16 PM |
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Yeah, screw people. If everyone owns a home, then prices will go up! |
Renew Deal |
Mar-24-10 01:39 PM |
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While people are your political football, you don't understand the implications in capitalism |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 02:24 PM |
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I don't advocate mandated home ownership |
Renew Deal |
Mar-24-10 02:53 PM |
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"I'm just pointing out the callousness and ridiculousness of the assertion that ending homelessness" |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 03:14 PM |
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you have now officially lost your mind |
TorchTheWitch |
Mar-24-10 11:31 PM |
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We should always go over the deep end on everything |
lunatica |
Mar-24-10 11:14 AM |
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indeed. while we're at it, let's lower the poverty level |
anarch |
Mar-24-10 11:15 AM |
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I believe it's based now, primarily, on the cost of food |
bigtree |
Mar-24-10 11:17 AM |
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And if they can't afford a house... |
followthemoney |
Mar-24-10 11:16 AM |
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My understanding is that it's going to make more a few million more people eligible for Medicare. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-24-10 11:18 AM |
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No. No changes to the standards for getting Medicare |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-24-10 11:35 AM |
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This is what the NY Times reported today |
BurtWorm |
Mar-24-10 11:39 AM |
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Yes, medic AID |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-24-10 11:52 AM |
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Similar enough, you know what the point the person is trying to make |
uponit7771 |
Mar-24-10 11:55 AM |
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There is one big difference. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-24-10 11:59 AM |
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Some doctors wont see patience with UHC insurance either, so what? You guys are now arguin symantics |
uponit7771 |
Mar-24-10 12:02 PM |
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There is a real difference between Medicaid and Medicare, though. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-24-10 12:14 PM |
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Right. I made a mistake. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-24-10 11:57 AM |
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I've been told differently by my congressman's office... |
misanthrope |
Mar-24-10 12:16 PM |
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. |
dionysus |
Mar-24-10 11:19 AM |
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naw, we should mandate that the homeless rent apartments |
northernlights |
Mar-24-10 11:20 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
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Mar-24-10 11:32 AM |
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God, I never thought |
frazzled |
Mar-24-10 11:36 AM |
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Explain the stupidity here of Obama's quote |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 11:39 AM |
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*crickets* |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-24-10 05:50 PM |
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And I never thought so many people on the left would support |
Marr |
Mar-24-10 01:16 PM |
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You are talking about Obama's argument, right? |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-24-10 01:40 PM |
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Oops! n/t |
QC |
Mar-25-10 09:06 AM |
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And, hunger. Mandate Beef Wellington and Crepes Suzette! k&r |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Mar-24-10 11:37 AM |
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You've made yourself look pretty silly. How about organizing |
DevonRex |
Mar-24-10 11:39 AM |
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My suggestion is bipartisan - remove the mandate, keep the rest of the reforms. |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-24-10 01:42 PM |
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We can if we subsidize people below 4 times the poverty level. |
tinrobot |
Mar-24-10 11:42 AM |
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Then we can declare... |
branders seine |
Mar-24-10 11:55 AM |
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*********************PEOPLE WILL BE GIVEN SUBSIDIES TO HELP WITH AFFORDABILITY!!!******* |
uponit7771 |
Mar-24-10 11:56 AM |
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wrong |
optimator |
Mar-24-10 11:58 AM |
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False, people ALREADY get subsidies for HCI the new HCR will EXTEND them (Link and quote) |
uponit7771 |
Mar-24-10 12:07 PM |
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i have the HCR bill in front of me |
optimator |
Mar-24-10 12:15 PM |
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I'm not sure if you're trying to make the technical point that they are actually "tax credits" |
Political Heretic |
Mar-24-10 05:28 PM |
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I just found state subsidy programs in the bill |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Mar-24-10 01:36 PM |
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It's not a subsidy, but a tax credit which can be a hardship for some people. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Mar-24-10 01:44 PM |
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Yep. Gotta buy the product first, THEN send away for the 'rebate' |
havocmom |
Mar-25-10 09:14 AM |
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It ticks me off that there has been so much disinformation on this by "knowledgeable" |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Mar-25-10 07:24 PM |
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It's not really a subsidy but a tax credit. One has to either manipulate their W4 to increase |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Mar-24-10 01:43 PM |
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*********************SO FUCKING WHAT, THAT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING BEING DISCUSSED HERE!!!******* |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-24-10 03:15 PM |
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CBPP called the subsidies grossly insufficient and difficult for the poor. |
Political Heretic |
Mar-24-10 05:27 PM |
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Mar-24-10 12:18 PM |
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G.Carlin: "Just buy em one-a those cardboard boxes they like to live in" |
Echo In Light |
Mar-24-10 12:18 PM |
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We can also now end poverty.... |
demgurl |
Mar-24-10 12:26 PM |
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Subsidies for housing.... |
Jeff In Milwaukee |
Mar-24-10 12:28 PM |
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I would say the latter. We are mandated to have auto insurance as well. |
Jennicut |
Mar-24-10 12:31 PM |
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I know, I can barely afford it for my 3 year old. |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 12:36 PM |
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Oh, for fuck's sake |
DatManFromNawlins |
Mar-24-10 12:53 PM |
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Fine. I really don't care about the mandates. For my medical condition, the costs in meds |
Jennicut |
Mar-24-10 01:17 PM |
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Poor Ezra - there is a serious logical flaw in his argument. There is no reason to suugest that |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-24-10 01:52 PM |
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LOL cinnamon |
Egnever |
Mar-24-10 01:58 PM |
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Who will be doing the accounting concernign the MLR caps? The insurance companies |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-24-10 02:21 PM |
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The bill is not perfect, eventually we will need a public option. |
Jennicut |
Mar-24-10 02:40 PM |
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Off topic but |
Egnever |
Mar-24-10 01:54 PM |
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I am looking at an Omnipod. Cigna may cover it but I was misdiagnosed as a type |
Jennicut |
Mar-24-10 02:45 PM |
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Crazy! |
Egnever |
Mar-24-10 10:27 PM |
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What you said! +1! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Mar-24-10 02:24 PM |
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We are not. |
beevul |
Mar-25-10 12:30 AM |
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Not my point - the Presidents. |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-24-10 01:37 PM |
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Mar-24-10 02:39 PM |
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Once again, you miss the point of the mandate |
Hippo_Tron |
Mar-24-10 01:00 PM |
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Where is the evidence to support the claim that "People would just wait until they get sick to buy |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-24-10 01:15 PM |
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Maybe getting rid of pre-existing conditions was only way to make mandate work |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 01:18 PM |
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Of course, if we had a national health plan, |
LWolf |
Mar-24-10 02:02 PM |
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I been posting thes qustion about evidence to support this claim for months, so far |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-24-10 02:14 PM |
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K & R nt |
LWolf |
Mar-24-10 01:59 PM |
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Could you please link to the quote source... |
SidDithers |
Mar-24-10 02:01 PM |
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Link - with video! |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-24-10 02:12 PM |
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Thank you... |
SidDithers |
Mar-24-10 02:22 PM |
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Me too! |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-24-10 02:26 PM |
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.... |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Mar-24-10 02:26 PM |
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We do mandate house purchases, more strongly than the health care bill mandates insurance |
Recursion |
Mar-24-10 02:25 PM |
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Until you do the math and realize amortized interest on a home loan is 150% of principle |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 02:39 PM |
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That's a semantic game |
Recursion |
Mar-24-10 02:42 PM |
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"Why is it being called a mandate for health insurance but not for home ownership" |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 02:44 PM |
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Taxes are being used to encourage behavior |
Recursion |
Mar-24-10 02:50 PM |
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You save nothing in taxes from buying a home |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 02:56 PM |
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You get a tax credit on the mortgage interest every year... |
JuniperLea |
Mar-24-10 02:57 PM |
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You must of missed reading that: |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 03:03 PM |
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OK, so it's a mortgage mandate. That's even worse... NT |
Recursion |
Mar-24-10 03:01 PM |
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Except for people in public housing, or on housing assistance |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 03:07 PM |
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And people who can't afford to buy insurance will get it fully (or nearly so) subsidized |
Recursion |
Mar-24-10 03:46 PM |
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Which may solve very little |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 03:51 PM |
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If it were being subsidized |
treestar |
Mar-24-10 02:26 PM |
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Thats absurd. Its absolutely absurd |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 02:35 PM |
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The government gives people food stamps and expects them to use them |
treestar |
Mar-24-10 05:24 PM |
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It depends if the creation, production, and distribution of those products would cost less than |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 06:17 PM |
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Hey, we can end unemployment that way too! Mandate that everyone find a |
Lorien |
Mar-24-10 02:43 PM |
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Monster dunk post. |
Karmadillo |
Mar-24-10 03:02 PM |
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Ever heard of |
ProSense |
Mar-24-10 03:11 PM |
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Many homes do already cost $8000 |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 03:22 PM |
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"$8000 a year that is...." Really? |
ProSense |
Mar-24-10 05:39 PM |
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Yeah, really |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 06:03 PM |
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"I bought in 2003 with 6.125% interest and my payment is $790." |
ProSense |
Mar-24-10 06:30 PM |
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And if I refied, it would be about $590, but you don't want to include that. |
Oregone |
Mar-24-10 06:41 PM |
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Mar-24-10 05:47 PM |
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The thing I like most about Obama is that he's WILLING to admit |
johnaries |
Mar-24-10 06:37 PM |
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The insurance companies were right before Obama realized his mistake ... |
slipslidingaway |
Mar-24-10 07:00 PM |
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Let's get rid of all governments |
Naturalist111 |
Mar-24-10 11:25 PM |
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That would be a great, historic first step. |
BlueIris |
Mar-25-10 02:53 AM |
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Housing prices would go through the roof - just like insurance stocks are now....! |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-25-10 08:57 AM |
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Some people |
Naturalist111 |
Mar-25-10 03:02 PM |
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