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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-10 09:48 AM
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13. It worked so well with the banking industry
"But, in return, we finally get the teeth of regulation into the insurance industry. That is no small deed. Once they are restricted by law from doing certain activities and policies, it is to the people's advantage. The laws are in place."

Kinda like our banking regulations? Or were you thinking of our bankruptcy protections?

Regulation has it's role, but it is not a replacement for the recognition that health care is a right of the people. It is not enhanced by making the purchase of health insurance an obligation of the people. It was the democrats that repealed Glass Steagall.

This bill is very weak on health CARE access features and very strong on individual obligations to the insurance industry.

This bill, by design, creates a market designed to support the for profit insurance industry, be an obstacle to universal health care, and ensure a long stream of lobbying dollars for congress and the democratic party.

Congratulations. You've just put "teeth" into the idea that health insurance is an individual obligation, and health CARE is an option.
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  -Michael Moore and short-sighted liberals... kentuck  Mar-24-10 09:21 AM   #0 
  - I'd love to be proven wrong that they will "improve" this bill...  joeybee12   Mar-24-10 09:22 AM   #1 
  - considering how pointing out where the bill needs improving gets shouted down here at DU  havocmom   Mar-24-10 09:32 AM   #4 
  - Bullshit.  Nicholas D Wolfwood   Mar-24-10 09:35 AM   #5 
  - Well, you certainly proved your point.  joeybee12   Mar-24-10 09:43 AM   #8 
  - search: havocmom & 'yer either with us or with the terrarists'  havocmom   Mar-24-10 10:09 AM   #21 
  - LOL  JVS   Mar-24-10 10:20 AM   #30 
  - We have history on our side...history of saying something will be fixed later  joeybee12   Mar-24-10 09:44 AM   #9 
     - Shh don't mention history! someone might realize we are about to repeat it!  Moochy   Mar-24-10 11:23 AM   #44 
  - get your member of congress to cosponsor Alan Grayson's bill  tabbycat31   Mar-24-10 09:55 AM   #16 
  - .  Deep13   Mar-24-10 09:23 AM   #2 
  - K&R  dionysus   Mar-24-10 09:24 AM   #3 
  - We, the People....  kentuck   Mar-24-10 09:36 AM   #6 
  - How bad does the situation have to get for you to realize MM is right?  dkf   Mar-24-10 09:41 AM   #7 
  - The bill is unsustainable as it is...  joeybee12   Mar-24-10 09:45 AM   #10 
  - Either the glass is half-full or half-empty...  kentuck   Mar-24-10 09:46 AM   #11 
  - "We could not pass single payer"  GreenArrow   Mar-24-10 09:59 AM   #18 
  - Thank you. This rather obvious points seems to be ignored constantly n/t  Raineyb   Mar-24-10 11:34 AM   #47 
  - The reality is :  kentuck   Mar-24-10 11:39 AM   #49 
  - The glass is broken  zipplewrath   Mar-24-10 10:10 AM   #23 
  - We have the votes for po in the senate.  dkf   Mar-24-10 10:11 AM   #24 
  - Half full of what is the key question.  beardown   Mar-24-10 10:13 AM   #26 
  - Was he right when he lobbied Stupak to vote FOR the bill?  hfojvt   Mar-24-10 10:16 AM   #28 
     - Apparently he'd settle for a slice of bread for now  dkf   Mar-24-10 10:20 AM   #31 
     - Yes, he was. And organizing his district shows he certainly doesn't think  EFerrari   Mar-24-10 10:28 AM   #33 
  - And Sandra Bullock will leave her husband for Karmadillo. Clap your hands everyone!  Karmadillo   Mar-24-10 09:46 AM   #12 
  - It worked so well with the banking industry  zipplewrath   Mar-24-10 09:48 AM   #13 
  - I look at FICA taxes the same way...  kentuck   Mar-24-10 09:54 AM   #15 
     - So which company do you send you FICA  zipplewrath   Mar-24-10 10:09 AM   #22 
        - Spot on. We've just bought health insurance that isn't really health INSURANCE.  canoeist52   Mar-24-10 11:04 AM   #38 
  - Short sighted?  GreenArrow   Mar-24-10 09:54 AM   #14 
  - Nobody thinks it is an ideal solution.  kentuck   Mar-24-10 10:00 AM   #19 
     - No, I don't expect it to get done tommorow.  GreenArrow   Mar-24-10 10:18 AM   #29 
        - We will get what we settle for.  kentuck   Mar-24-10 10:26 AM   #32 
           - An odd post in a thread dedicated to badmouthing those who don't want to settle.  JVS   Mar-24-10 10:29 AM   #34 
           - Exactly  Cal Carpenter   Mar-24-10 06:18 PM   #59 
           - Settle is a good word.  GreenArrow   Mar-24-10 11:06 AM   #40 
  - Moore is not shortsighted.  EFerrari   Mar-24-10 09:59 AM   #17 
  - He confuses capitalism with corporatism  graywarrior   Mar-24-10 10:02 AM   #20 
  - That's true. The two terms have been collapsed in our usage  EFerrari   Mar-24-10 10:13 AM   #27 
     - For good reason  blindpig   Mar-24-10 04:27 PM   #56 
  - K&R I feel the same way. I'm not happy with the legislation, but people are more aware of the  Pryderi   Mar-24-10 10:12 AM   #25 
  - This is an opportunity for progressives...  kentuck   Mar-24-10 10:31 AM   #35 
  - "it is the progressives that will demand the changes ...  GreenArrow   Mar-24-10 12:11 PM   #53 
  - Rubber teeth and short memories.  Jakes Progress   Mar-24-10 10:44 AM   #36 
  - They are re-visiting it as we speak...  kentuck   Mar-24-10 11:04 AM   #39 
  - "improve the bill" meme is simply delusional  western mass   Mar-24-10 11:02 AM   #37 
  - When did "liberal" become an acceptable epithet on this board? nt  Romulox   Mar-24-10 11:07 AM   #41 
  - "Short-sighted" is an epithet??  kentuck   Mar-24-10 11:20 AM   #42 
  - Yes. "short-sighted liberal" sounds like an insult to me. nt  Romulox   Mar-24-10 11:21 AM   #43 
     - Insult = epithet?  kentuck   Mar-24-10 11:29 AM   #46 
        - The words are not interchangeable, but are synonymous in this context.  Romulox   Mar-24-10 11:38 AM   #48 
        - Not hardly the same.  kentuck   Mar-24-10 11:40 AM   #50 
           - Um, yes. "a disparaging or abusive word or phrase". nt  Romulox   Mar-24-10 11:42 AM   #51 
           - Also, "a word, phrase, or expression used invectively as a term of abuse or contempt..."  Romulox   Mar-24-10 11:43 AM   #52 
        - Well, Michael Moore is anything but short-sighted.  sabrina 1   Mar-24-10 07:50 PM   #61 
  - When Rahm was hired  Moochy   Mar-24-10 11:24 AM   #45 
  - If I told you, my answer would be deleted.  Individualist   Mar-24-10 12:16 PM   #54 
  - Ah, the zeal of the newly converted.  JoseGaspar   Mar-24-10 02:34 PM   #55 
  - We shall see what we shall see.  lonestarnot   Mar-24-10 04:29 PM   #57 
  - First off, I find the regulatory sections of the bill to be weak...  Cleobulus   Mar-24-10 04:34 PM   #58 
  - K&R  tabasco   Mar-24-10 06:20 PM   #60 
 

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