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Tue Mar-23-10 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #70 |
| 101. Wow, it must be awesome to be always so right as to not require actual proof of your claims... |
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... "you are wrong because and that is that"... must have been rather impressive debating technique during elementary school. In the real world, with grown ups... not so much.
I found the rest of your post a hilarious exercise in what can be considered pure projection...
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| -Yesterday's bill got exactly as many Republican votes as Single Payer would've |
Cal Carpenter |
Mar-22-10 01:51 PM |
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too bad the Democrats aren't able to go that bold |
quinnox |
Mar-22-10 01:53 PM |
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It was never going to be put up for a vote, remember? |
EFerrari |
Mar-22-10 01:56 PM |
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It got a hell of a lot more Democrat votes than single payer would have though. |
LostInAnomie |
Mar-22-10 01:55 PM |
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Ding ding ding. We have a winner. |
democrat_patriot |
Mar-22-10 02:15 PM |
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But why not? |
Cal Carpenter |
Mar-22-10 02:23 PM |
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there are a lot of provisions that piecemeal that "better than the status quo" |
MH1 |
Mar-23-10 11:51 AM |
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Yeah, remember Joe "I'll filibuster ya" Lieberman? |
Zambero |
Mar-22-10 11:40 PM |
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the current bill seems to make a trade... |
paulkienitz |
Mar-23-10 01:38 PM |
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"lower cost" = defunding medicare & cutting services. |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-25-10 02:32 AM |
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Remind me again what the heck does the Dem party stand for? |
liberation |
Mar-23-10 01:09 AM |
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Right now the Democrats pretty much stand for fabuous |
truedelphi |
Mar-23-10 02:17 AM |
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+100,000 |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-23-10 05:12 AM |
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Democrats = Lowered Expectations... and Lower and lower and lower and lower... |
theFrankFactor |
Mar-23-10 10:43 AM |
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It is not the lowered expectations I have an issue with... |
liberation |
Mar-23-10 11:19 AM |
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We need at least 2/3 Dem majorities in both Houses of Congress |
Zambero |
Mar-23-10 07:20 PM |
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Which should be highlighting the problem we have inside the party |
laughingliberal |
Mar-22-10 02:19 PM |
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Yup |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-10 03:52 AM |
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Precisely! It Has to Come From OUT HERE! From Us! |
theFrankFactor |
Mar-23-10 10:44 AM |
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How do we know unless we tried? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Mar-22-10 02:26 PM |
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You only get one bite at the apple. |
LostInAnomie |
Mar-22-10 02:41 PM |
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Bull. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Mar-22-10 03:23 PM |
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Haha... right. |
LostInAnomie |
Mar-22-10 03:59 PM |
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Agreed. n/t |
Cali_Democrat |
Mar-22-10 04:52 PM |
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And we have a right-leaning Democratic Congress thanks to Rahm Emanuel |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-23-10 08:26 AM |
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How does that even make logical sense? |
liberation |
Mar-23-10 10:21 AM |
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It's BULL SHIT! That's The Thinking (non-thinking) That Has Put Us Where We Are! |
theFrankFactor |
Mar-23-10 10:53 AM |
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"New Democrat" |
Ticonderoga |
Mar-23-10 11:20 AM |
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I agree: this whole thing is ass-backwards. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Mar-23-10 12:30 PM |
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Proper negotiations |
kenfrequed |
Mar-23-10 10:54 AM |
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haha... right |
mistajefferson |
Mar-23-10 01:12 PM |
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The Dems began negotiations from a compromise position. Begin weak, end weak. Begin strong... |
ClassWarrior |
Mar-24-10 10:23 AM |
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Absolutely right. |
ChadwickHenryWard |
Mar-23-10 08:42 AM |
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No, that is not how the real world works.... |
liberation |
Mar-23-10 10:18 AM |
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It would have won. |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-10 03:53 AM |
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not in the senate... it might only get 20 votes (nt) |
paulkienitz |
Mar-23-10 01:44 PM |
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So the REAL problem was NEVER the Republicans. |
bvar22 |
Mar-22-10 04:38 PM |
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Bingo. We're not all on the same page about which system is best |
ecstatic |
Mar-22-10 04:45 PM |
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am I the only one who thinks a strong public option would be better than single payer? |
paulkienitz |
Mar-23-10 02:06 PM |
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Yes and no. From the competition standpoint, it's |
ecstatic |
Mar-23-10 02:17 PM |
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What a horribly myopic take on the last year. |
LostInAnomie |
Mar-22-10 05:15 PM |
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Thank god! |
HughMoran |
Mar-22-10 06:18 PM |
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Today's Democratic party |
Zambero |
Mar-22-10 11:54 PM |
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My sentiments exactly. |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-10 03:57 AM |
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As it is we lost 34 |
HughMoran |
Mar-22-10 06:17 PM |
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Yep |
iamthebandfanman |
Mar-23-10 03:46 AM |
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Exactly. |
October |
Mar-23-10 08:42 AM |
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Please, how dare you use logic & common sense with this |
LynneSin |
Mar-23-10 11:30 AM |
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The real business of our government doesn't seem to happen |
EFerrari |
Mar-22-10 01:55 PM |
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Theater... |
blindpig |
Mar-22-10 01:58 PM |
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remember, Obama wasn't dealing with republicans...it was democrats threatening |
spanone |
Mar-22-10 01:58 PM |
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But there were Dems 'threatening' from the other side too |
Cal Carpenter |
Mar-22-10 02:03 PM |
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More like Big Pharma and the insurance industry. |
EFerrari |
Mar-22-10 02:18 PM |
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but it got more Democratic votes than single payer would have |
Motown_Johnny |
Mar-22-10 02:01 PM |
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Well, how about the public option, if not single payer? |
Cal Carpenter |
Mar-22-10 02:17 PM |
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Your argument has a flaw |
Chulanowa |
Mar-23-10 12:01 AM |
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that tired meme again. perfect and flawless, my ass. |
tomp |
Mar-23-10 12:13 AM |
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Mar-23-10 12:47 AM |
#70 |
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Wow, it must be awesome to be always so right as to not require actual proof of your claims... |
liberation |
Mar-23-10 10:31 AM |
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Don't you |
Ticonderoga |
Mar-23-10 11:28 AM |
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Uhm... |
kenfrequed |
Mar-23-10 11:10 AM |
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66 |
mistajefferson |
Mar-23-10 01:13 PM |
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"I have rejected a whole bunch of provisions that the left wanted..." |
Marr |
Mar-22-10 02:07 PM |
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Big PHarma is Elated! Obama gave them what they wanted! |
amborin |
Mar-22-10 02:32 PM |
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Big Pharma is "elated"? I think you forgot the 'F' |
jgraz |
Mar-22-10 03:43 PM |
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LOLOLOLOL |
leftstreet |
Mar-22-10 03:45 PM |
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Mee too. |
Enthusiast |
Mar-23-10 04:05 AM |
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And YOU forgot the extra "l" n/t |
eridani |
Mar-22-10 10:37 PM |
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Bingo. |
avaistheone1 |
Mar-23-10 10:05 AM |
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Exactly... |
liberation |
Mar-23-10 10:34 AM |
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Yeah, but they would have accused us of socialism |
kenny blankenship |
Mar-22-10 02:16 PM |
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Interesting that meme didn't work to keep Obama from getting elected |
leftstreet |
Mar-22-10 02:28 PM |
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But it got a lot more Democratic votes than it would have. |
tranche |
Mar-22-10 02:29 PM |
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QED. n/t |
Orsino |
Mar-22-10 03:49 PM |
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Too bad the president wasn't willing to lead his party in the right direction. nt |
LWolf |
Mar-22-10 02:30 PM |
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yep - his lack of leadership was utterly pathetic. |
kath |
Mar-22-10 06:59 PM |
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except for the DLC "Democrats" we voted in |
upi402 |
Mar-22-10 02:31 PM |
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unfortunately President Obama had to compromise with democrats. |
spanone |
Mar-22-10 02:31 PM |
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but single payer would not have gotten the votes of the corporatist |
mdmc |
Mar-22-10 02:33 PM |
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Bingo! |
tedzbear |
Mar-22-10 11:08 PM |
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You weren't supposed to notice that. The theatrics are necessary to maintain the illusion of choice. |
Greyhound |
Mar-22-10 02:46 PM |
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+1 n/t |
mikita |
Mar-23-10 07:32 AM |
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67 |
mistajefferson |
Mar-23-10 01:14 PM |
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That was always just an excuse. Which we didn't buy |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-22-10 02:52 PM |
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That's because the Corporatist Party knew it could obtain two primary goals by |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-22-10 03:07 PM |
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The Democrats are still playing 90s politics |
jgraz |
Mar-22-10 03:45 PM |
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If you actually think the Democratic leadership or the President wanted single payer |
DefenseLawyer |
Mar-22-10 03:46 PM |
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"Health insurance companies perform an important role." Prez. B. Obama. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Mar-23-10 05:09 AM |
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Sing it loud and proud brother! |
Vinnie From Indy |
Mar-22-10 04:13 PM |
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But far more Democratic votes. It was a close thing even as it was. |
Unvanguard |
Mar-22-10 04:42 PM |
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And now we live underneath the fascist Individual Mandate as well. |
New Dawn |
Mar-22-10 05:15 PM |
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You betcha. But how would single payer have bailed out the insurance industry? |
glitch |
Mar-22-10 05:16 PM |
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The bipartisanship was WITHIN the party |
marshall |
Mar-22-10 05:19 PM |
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ah. politics hides a world of sins. |
branders seine |
Mar-22-10 07:04 PM |
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K&R |
dajoki |
Mar-22-10 07:24 PM |
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Don't forget 'including republican ideas'. |
Edweird |
Mar-22-10 07:33 PM |
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We may not get what we vote for, but if we vote a second time for the same people |
pundaint |
Mar-22-10 10:45 PM |
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The compromises were never intended to garner Republican support |
ibegurpard |
Mar-22-10 10:52 PM |
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Single payer wouldn't have passed...that's reality. n/t |
cynatnite |
Mar-22-10 10:54 PM |
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Fuckin' A! |
Roland99 |
Mar-22-10 10:58 PM |
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"Bipartisan" these days means negociating with Blue Dogs |
Canuckistanian |
Mar-22-10 11:14 PM |
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*EXCELLENT* point. |
inna |
Mar-22-10 11:15 PM |
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K & R That ! |
SlingBlade |
Mar-22-10 11:26 PM |
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K&R |
Joey Kidd |
Mar-22-10 11:29 PM |
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Self-delete |
newtothegame |
Mar-22-10 11:32 PM |
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Bingo! |
colsohlibgal |
Mar-22-10 11:56 PM |
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Begs the question - do the rest of the dems really want our vote? |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-22-10 11:57 PM |
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K&R |
Individualist |
Mar-23-10 12:02 AM |
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That really is the kicker, isn't it. |
gtar100 |
Mar-23-10 12:13 AM |
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The Senate version would have never gotten the 60 votes needed with a PO, |
stopbush |
Mar-23-10 12:42 AM |
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It's sad. |
NYC_SKP |
Mar-23-10 01:27 AM |
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If the president and the democratic party had introduced the most |
newspeak |
Mar-23-10 12:30 PM |
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Not only that but states also couldn't sue over the new bill |
PinkFloyd |
Mar-23-10 01:38 AM |
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I agree with you, sir ... |
watajob |
Mar-23-10 02:17 AM |
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that really slips by a lot of people |
Skittles |
Mar-23-10 03:10 AM |
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this is it? |
RBitt |
Mar-23-10 06:21 AM |
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True |
quaker bill |
Mar-23-10 06:30 AM |
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To hell with the MINORITY party. |
penndragon69 |
Mar-23-10 07:23 AM |
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good point |
Lerkfish |
Mar-23-10 07:31 AM |
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Posts like this show a FUNDAMENTAL failure to understand the politics |
WeekendWarrior |
Mar-23-10 07:46 AM |
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You've infered quite a lot about me from a statement of observation |
Cal Carpenter |
Mar-23-10 08:43 AM |
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The quest for bipartisanship failed entirely |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-23-10 08:16 AM |
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the policy was fixed in February of 2009. |
branders seine |
Mar-23-10 08:44 AM |
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Has the list of no voters been posted? nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-23-10 08:50 AM |
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Unfortunately, we had to compromise with members of our party |
wryter2000 |
Mar-23-10 10:03 AM |
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So the question has to be asked: |
liberation |
Mar-23-10 10:39 AM |
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None of this was ever about Republican votes, but getting enough Democratic votes |
elocs |
Mar-23-10 11:07 AM |
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+1 |
Lex |
Mar-23-10 11:09 AM |
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No actually it's glaringly obvious |
Cal Carpenter |
Mar-23-10 12:00 PM |
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Yes, it is the best we could do. Just because you call it bullshit does not make it so. |
elocs |
Mar-23-10 01:14 PM |
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Yeah and we fight year after year not to let |
Cal Carpenter |
Mar-23-10 03:47 PM |
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yea too bad it got more democratic votes than single payer would've |
craigmatic |
Mar-23-10 11:08 AM |
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Politics are not black and white |
Spike89 |
Mar-23-10 11:21 AM |
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Good Cop/Bad Cop ring any bells? nt |
Romulox |
Mar-23-10 11:31 AM |
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That was my 1st reaction too. My Pollyanna Take for today is the prolonged exposure of GOP insanity. |
Overseas |
Mar-23-10 12:01 PM |
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And how would the Democratic votes have compared? |
Richardo |
Mar-23-10 12:11 PM |
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Thanks for reminding us so sweetly and succinctly! |
swilton |
Mar-23-10 12:56 PM |
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Yesterday's bill got exactly as many Republican votes as Single Payer would've |
mistajefferson |
Mar-23-10 01:11 PM |
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They got Nelson and Lincoln, who are Republicans in all but name. |
Mass |
Mar-23-10 01:22 PM |
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Single payer/universal/medicare for all just wouldn't have |
shraby |
Mar-23-10 01:27 PM |
#131 |
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Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours |
TBF |
Mar-23-10 07:07 PM |
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Heh |
Cal Carpenter |
Mar-23-10 08:07 PM |
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ditto here |
maryf |
Mar-23-10 08:23 PM |
#140 |
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