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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 05:19 PM
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43. The bipartisanship was WITHIN the party
Between liberal Democrats, conservative Democrats, pro-life Democrats, Dixiecrats, whatever you want to call them. Once the Republicans are dead and buried we'll just divide up and form our own two party system.
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  -Yesterday's bill got exactly as many Republican votes as Single Payer would've Cal Carpenter  Mar-22-10 01:51 PM   #0 
  - too bad the Democrats aren't able to go that bold  quinnox   Mar-22-10 01:53 PM   #1 
  - It was never going to be put up for a vote, remember?  EFerrari   Mar-22-10 01:56 PM   #4 
  - It got a hell of a lot more Democrat votes than single payer would have though.  LostInAnomie   Mar-22-10 01:55 PM   #2 
  - Ding ding ding. We have a winner.  democrat_patriot   Mar-22-10 02:15 PM   #10 
  - But why not?  Cal Carpenter   Mar-22-10 02:23 PM   #15 
  - there are a lot of provisions that piecemeal that "better than the status quo"  MH1   Mar-23-10 11:51 AM   #118 
  - Yeah, remember Joe "I'll filibuster ya" Lieberman?  Zambero   Mar-22-10 11:40 PM   #61 
  - the current bill seems to make a trade...  paulkienitz   Mar-23-10 01:38 PM   #132 
     - "lower cost" = defunding medicare & cutting services.  Hannah Bell   Mar-25-10 02:32 AM   #142 
  - Remind me again what the heck does the Dem party stand for?  liberation   Mar-23-10 01:09 AM   #71 
     - Right now the Democrats pretty much stand for fabuous  truedelphi   Mar-23-10 02:17 AM   #74 
     - +100,000  Starry Messenger   Mar-23-10 05:12 AM   #83 
     - Democrats = Lowered Expectations... and Lower and lower and lower and lower...  theFrankFactor   Mar-23-10 10:43 AM   #104 
     - It is not the lowered expectations I have an issue with...  liberation   Mar-23-10 11:19 AM   #112 
     - We need at least 2/3 Dem majorities in both Houses of Congress  Zambero   Mar-23-10 07:20 PM   #138 
  - Which should be highlighting the problem we have inside the party  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 02:19 PM   #14 
  - Yup  Enthusiast   Mar-23-10 03:52 AM   #78 
  - Precisely! It Has to Come From OUT HERE! From Us!  theFrankFactor   Mar-23-10 10:44 AM   #105 
  - How do we know unless we tried?  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-22-10 02:26 PM   #16 
  - You only get one bite at the apple.  LostInAnomie   Mar-22-10 02:41 PM   #24 
  - Bull.  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-22-10 03:23 PM   #28 
  - Haha... right.  LostInAnomie   Mar-22-10 03:59 PM   #34 
  - Agreed. n/t  Cali_Democrat   Mar-22-10 04:52 PM   #39 
  - And we have a right-leaning Democratic Congress thanks to Rahm Emanuel  Jackpine Radical   Mar-23-10 08:26 AM   #91 
  - How does that even make logical sense?  liberation   Mar-23-10 10:21 AM   #100 
  - It's BULL SHIT! That's The Thinking (non-thinking) That Has Put Us Where We Are!  theFrankFactor   Mar-23-10 10:53 AM   #106 
  - "New Democrat"  Ticonderoga   Mar-23-10 11:20 AM   #113 
  - I agree: this whole thing is ass-backwards.  ChadwickHenryWard   Mar-23-10 12:30 PM   #122 
  - Proper negotiations  kenfrequed   Mar-23-10 10:54 AM   #107 
  - haha... right  mistajefferson   Mar-23-10 01:12 PM   #126 
  - The Dems began negotiations from a compromise position. Begin weak, end weak. Begin strong...  ClassWarrior   Mar-24-10 10:23 AM   #141 
  - Absolutely right.  ChadwickHenryWard   Mar-23-10 08:42 AM   #93 
  - No, that is not how the real world works....  liberation   Mar-23-10 10:18 AM   #99 
  - It would have won.  Enthusiast   Mar-23-10 03:53 AM   #79 
     - not in the senate... it might only get 20 votes (nt)  paulkienitz   Mar-23-10 01:44 PM   #133 
  - So the REAL problem was NEVER the Republicans.  bvar22   Mar-22-10 04:38 PM   #36 
  - Bingo. We're not all on the same page about which system is best  ecstatic   Mar-22-10 04:45 PM   #38 
  - am I the only one who thinks a strong public option would be better than single payer?  paulkienitz   Mar-23-10 02:06 PM   #134 
     - Yes and no. From the competition standpoint, it's  ecstatic   Mar-23-10 02:17 PM   #135 
  - What a horribly myopic take on the last year.  LostInAnomie   Mar-22-10 05:15 PM   #41 
  - Thank god!  HughMoran   Mar-22-10 06:18 PM   #45 
  - Today's Democratic party  Zambero   Mar-22-10 11:54 PM   #62 
  - My sentiments exactly.  Enthusiast   Mar-23-10 03:57 AM   #80 
  - As it is we lost 34  HughMoran   Mar-22-10 06:17 PM   #44 
  - Yep  iamthebandfanman   Mar-23-10 03:46 AM   #77 
  - Exactly.  October   Mar-23-10 08:42 AM   #92 
  - Please, how dare you use logic & common sense with this  LynneSin   Mar-23-10 11:30 AM   #116 
  - The real business of our government doesn't seem to happen  EFerrari   Mar-22-10 01:55 PM   #3 
  - Theater...  blindpig   Mar-22-10 01:58 PM   #5 
  - remember, Obama wasn't dealing with republicans...it was democrats threatening  spanone   Mar-22-10 01:58 PM   #6 
  - But there were Dems 'threatening' from the other side too  Cal Carpenter   Mar-22-10 02:03 PM   #8 
  - More like Big Pharma and the insurance industry.  EFerrari   Mar-22-10 02:18 PM   #13 
  - but it got more Democratic votes than single payer would have  Motown_Johnny   Mar-22-10 02:01 PM   #7 
  - Well, how about the public option, if not single payer?  Cal Carpenter   Mar-22-10 02:17 PM   #12 
     - Your argument has a flaw  Chulanowa   Mar-23-10 12:01 AM   #65 
        - that tired meme again. perfect and flawless, my ass.  tomp   Mar-23-10 12:13 AM   #67 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-23-10 12:47 AM   #70 
           - Wow, it must be awesome to be always so right as to not require actual proof of your claims...  liberation   Mar-23-10 10:31 AM   #101 
           - Don't you  Ticonderoga   Mar-23-10 11:28 AM   #115 
        - Uhm...  kenfrequed   Mar-23-10 11:10 AM   #111 
        - 66  mistajefferson   Mar-23-10 01:13 PM   #127 
  - "I have rejected a whole bunch of provisions that the left wanted..."  Marr   Mar-22-10 02:07 PM   #9 
  - Big PHarma is Elated! Obama gave them what they wanted!  amborin   Mar-22-10 02:32 PM   #22 
  - Big Pharma is "elated"? I think you forgot the 'F'  jgraz   Mar-22-10 03:43 PM   #29 
     - LOLOLOLOL  leftstreet   Mar-22-10 03:45 PM   #30 
     - Mee too.  Enthusiast   Mar-23-10 04:05 AM   #81 
     - And YOU forgot the extra "l" n/t  eridani   Mar-22-10 10:37 PM   #50 
  - Bingo.  avaistheone1   Mar-23-10 10:05 AM   #98 
  - Exactly...  liberation   Mar-23-10 10:34 AM   #102 
  - Yeah, but they would have accused us of socialism  kenny blankenship   Mar-22-10 02:16 PM   #11 
  - Interesting that meme didn't work to keep Obama from getting elected  leftstreet   Mar-22-10 02:28 PM   #17 
  - But it got a lot more Democratic votes than it would have.  tranche   Mar-22-10 02:29 PM   #18 
  - QED. n/t  Orsino   Mar-22-10 03:49 PM   #33 
  - Too bad the president wasn't willing to lead his party in the right direction. nt  LWolf   Mar-22-10 02:30 PM   #19 
  - yep - his lack of leadership was utterly pathetic.  kath   Mar-22-10 06:59 PM   #46 
  - except for the DLC "Democrats" we voted in  upi402   Mar-22-10 02:31 PM   #20 
  - unfortunately President Obama had to compromise with democrats.  spanone   Mar-22-10 02:31 PM   #21 
  - but single payer would not have gotten the votes of the corporatist  mdmc   Mar-22-10 02:33 PM   #23 
  - Bingo!  tedzbear   Mar-22-10 11:08 PM   #55 
  - You weren't supposed to notice that. The theatrics are necessary to maintain the illusion of choice.  Greyhound   Mar-22-10 02:46 PM   #25 
  - +1 n/t  mikita   Mar-23-10 07:32 AM   #88 
  - 67  mistajefferson   Mar-23-10 01:14 PM   #128 
  - That was always just an excuse. Which we didn't buy  sabrina 1   Mar-22-10 02:52 PM   #26 
  - That's because the Corporatist Party knew it could obtain two primary goals by  Uncle Joe   Mar-22-10 03:07 PM   #27 
  - The Democrats are still playing 90s politics  jgraz   Mar-22-10 03:45 PM   #31 
  - If you actually think the Democratic leadership or the President wanted single payer  DefenseLawyer   Mar-22-10 03:46 PM   #32 
  - "Health insurance companies perform an important role." Prez. B. Obama. nt  Captain Hilts   Mar-23-10 05:09 AM   #82 
  - Sing it loud and proud brother!  Vinnie From Indy   Mar-22-10 04:13 PM   #35 
  - But far more Democratic votes. It was a close thing even as it was.  Unvanguard   Mar-22-10 04:42 PM   #37 
  - And now we live underneath the fascist Individual Mandate as well.  New Dawn   Mar-22-10 05:15 PM   #40 
  - You betcha. But how would single payer have bailed out the insurance industry?  glitch   Mar-22-10 05:16 PM   #42 
  - The bipartisanship was WITHIN the party  marshall   Mar-22-10 05:19 PM   #43 
  - ah. politics hides a world of sins.  branders seine   Mar-22-10 07:04 PM   #47 
  - K&R  dajoki   Mar-22-10 07:24 PM   #48 
  - Don't forget 'including republican ideas'.  Edweird   Mar-22-10 07:33 PM   #49 
  - We may not get what we vote for, but if we vote a second time for the same people  pundaint   Mar-22-10 10:45 PM   #51 
  - The compromises were never intended to garner Republican support  ibegurpard   Mar-22-10 10:52 PM   #52 
  - Single payer wouldn't have passed...that's reality. n/t  cynatnite   Mar-22-10 10:54 PM   #53 
  - Fuckin' A!  Roland99   Mar-22-10 10:58 PM   #54 
  - "Bipartisan" these days means negociating with Blue Dogs  Canuckistanian   Mar-22-10 11:14 PM   #56 
  - *EXCELLENT* point.  inna   Mar-22-10 11:15 PM   #57 
  - K & R That !  SlingBlade   Mar-22-10 11:26 PM   #58 
  - K&R  Joey Kidd   Mar-22-10 11:29 PM   #59 
  - Self-delete  newtothegame   Mar-22-10 11:32 PM   #60 
  - Bingo!  colsohlibgal   Mar-22-10 11:56 PM   #63 
  - Begs the question - do the rest of the dems really want our vote?  grahamhgreen   Mar-22-10 11:57 PM   #64 
  - K&R  Individualist   Mar-23-10 12:02 AM   #66 
  - That really is the kicker, isn't it.  gtar100   Mar-23-10 12:13 AM   #68 
  - The Senate version would have never gotten the 60 votes needed with a PO,  stopbush   Mar-23-10 12:42 AM   #69 
  - It's sad.  NYC_SKP   Mar-23-10 01:27 AM   #72 
  - If the president and the democratic party had introduced the most  newspeak   Mar-23-10 12:30 PM   #123 
  - Not only that but states also couldn't sue over the new bill  PinkFloyd   Mar-23-10 01:38 AM   #73 
  - I agree with you, sir ...  watajob   Mar-23-10 02:17 AM   #75 
  - that really slips by a lot of people  Skittles   Mar-23-10 03:10 AM   #76 
  - this is it?  RBitt   Mar-23-10 06:21 AM   #84 
  - True  quaker bill   Mar-23-10 06:30 AM   #85 
  - To hell with the MINORITY party.  penndragon69   Mar-23-10 07:23 AM   #86 
  - good point  Lerkfish   Mar-23-10 07:31 AM   #87 
  - Posts like this show a FUNDAMENTAL failure to understand the politics  WeekendWarrior   Mar-23-10 07:46 AM   #89 
  - You've infered quite a lot about me from a statement of observation  Cal Carpenter   Mar-23-10 08:43 AM   #94 
  - The quest for bipartisanship failed entirely  Bluenorthwest   Mar-23-10 08:16 AM   #90 
  - the policy was fixed in February of 2009.  branders seine   Mar-23-10 08:44 AM   #95 
  - Has the list of no voters been posted? nm  rhett o rick   Mar-23-10 08:50 AM   #96 
  - Unfortunately, we had to compromise with members of our party  wryter2000   Mar-23-10 10:03 AM   #97 
  - So the question has to be asked:  liberation   Mar-23-10 10:39 AM   #103 
  - None of this was ever about Republican votes, but getting enough Democratic votes  elocs   Mar-23-10 11:07 AM   #108 
  - +1  Lex   Mar-23-10 11:09 AM   #110 
  - No actually it's glaringly obvious  Cal Carpenter   Mar-23-10 12:00 PM   #119 
     - Yes, it is the best we could do. Just because you call it bullshit does not make it so.  elocs   Mar-23-10 01:14 PM   #129 
        - Yeah and we fight year after year not to let  Cal Carpenter   Mar-23-10 03:47 PM   #136 
  - yea too bad it got more democratic votes than single payer would've  craigmatic   Mar-23-10 11:08 AM   #109 
  - Politics are not black and white  Spike89   Mar-23-10 11:21 AM   #114 
  - Good Cop/Bad Cop ring any bells? nt  Romulox   Mar-23-10 11:31 AM   #117 
  - That was my 1st reaction too. My Pollyanna Take for today is the prolonged exposure of GOP insanity.  Overseas   Mar-23-10 12:01 PM   #120 
  - And how would the Democratic votes have compared?  Richardo   Mar-23-10 12:11 PM   #121 
  - Thanks for reminding us so sweetly and succinctly!  swilton   Mar-23-10 12:56 PM   #124 
  - Yesterday's bill got exactly as many Republican votes as Single Payer would've  mistajefferson   Mar-23-10 01:11 PM   #125 
  - They got Nelson and Lincoln, who are Republicans in all but name.  Mass   Mar-23-10 01:22 PM   #130 
  - Single payer/universal/medicare for all just wouldn't have  shraby   Mar-23-10 01:27 PM   #131 
  - Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours  TBF   Mar-23-10 07:07 PM   #137 
     - Heh  Cal Carpenter   Mar-23-10 08:07 PM   #139 
        - ditto here  maryf   Mar-23-10 08:23 PM   #140 
 

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