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22. No you don't you CHOOSE to drive (as do I).
1) you could move to another city with good public transit
2) you could lobby local govt to expand public transit
3) you could choose employement/residence locations that make alternatives more realistic
4) you could carpool, telecommute, take a cab, etc.

Would any of that be "easy"? No. Would it be utterly impossible? No.

You have choices. They may not be easy choices. They may be too much work for you to consider but they are choices.

Here even if you wanted to self-insure you can't. You are forced to hand money over to insurance companies (80% of people will never get health-care equal to the cost of their health insurance). You have absolutely no choice other than to pay a TAX for non-compliance.
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  -The car Insurance analogy is a correct one WeekendWarrior  Mar-22-10 10:35 AM   #0 
  - No, it's not. No one is forcing you to live where you live.  ixion   Mar-22-10 10:37 AM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-22-10 10:42 AM   #6 
  - re: "I swear to god you sound like a Republican."  Earth_First   Mar-22-10 10:44 AM   #18 
  - Not at all. IS someone forcing you to live in CA?  ixion   Mar-22-10 10:45 AM   #19 
  - Yes. Reality.  WeekendWarrior   Mar-22-10 10:52 AM   #31 
     - Reality is of your own creation.  ixion   Mar-22-10 10:57 AM   #34 
     - How does it feel having to twist logic to make  WeekendWarrior   Mar-22-10 10:59 AM   #37 
        - LOL.. you're the one who's twisting...  ixion   Mar-22-10 11:01 AM   #38 
        - Snark?  WeekendWarrior   Mar-22-10 11:05 AM   #41 
           - Feel free to use it...  ixion   Mar-22-10 11:08 AM   #42 
        - There is no way for me to legally leave the US  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 11:30 AM   #56 
     - 'Basically free'  TransitJohn   Mar-22-10 11:01 AM   #39 
     - Reality is it fits your life to live there and if it no longer did you would move  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 11:16 AM   #48 
  - That's Was Reagan's Answer To Joblessness-"You Can Vote With Your Feet"  DemocratSinceBirth   Mar-22-10 10:46 AM   #20 
  - No one is forcing you to live in America either...  DCBob   Mar-22-10 10:43 AM   #11 
  - People like you are like the opposite side of the coin from the neocons  ixion   Mar-22-10 10:46 AM   #23 
  - Actually you would still be subject to the tax/fine even if living outside the US.  Statistical   Mar-22-10 10:47 AM   #25 
  - That's true. If you're paying taxes in the US and not covered by the other country's health plan  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 11:22 AM   #50 
  - Actually, that's not precisely true  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 11:21 AM   #49 
  - To me,  Frances   Mar-22-10 10:46 AM   #24 
  - Except insurance for your car is not required.  Statistical   Mar-22-10 10:49 AM   #28 
     - But don't you injure my financial health  Frances   Mar-22-10 12:30 PM   #63 
     - Nah that isn't freeper  Naturalist111   Mar-22-10 05:23 PM   #86 
  - WTF? Not everyone can live in the few areas with good public transportation. Get a grip.  Yellow Horse   Mar-22-10 10:52 AM   #30 
  - Except when I'm trashing the Republicans  ixion   Mar-22-10 10:59 AM   #36 
  - How am I a "party loyalist" when I say I need a car and can't move somewhere else?  Yellow Horse   Mar-22-10 11:02 AM   #40 
  - because you're staying on message  ixion   Mar-22-10 11:10 AM   #44 
     - I don't need to "attack" you. You are doing a good job on yourself.  Yellow Horse   Mar-22-10 02:12 PM   #79 
  - And you are what, exactly?  Ikonoklast   Mar-22-10 02:16 PM   #81 
  - Yes, living without a car puts a crimp in lifestyles. No doubt about it  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 11:24 AM   #52 
     - Living without food isn't so fun, either.  Yellow Horse   Mar-22-10 02:14 PM   # 
  - lots of people in LA, driving cap of world, do not drive  amborin   Mar-22-10 12:40 PM   #66 
  - So you're going to pay to help move everyone to a location where they don't need a car  LynneSin   Mar-22-10 01:26 PM   #71 
  - yeah got it  Sheepshank   Mar-22-10 02:14 PM   #80 
  - Not an exact comparison but close enough in terms of reality.  DCBob   Mar-22-10 10:38 AM   #2 
  - Keep trying.  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-22-10 10:39 AM   #3 
  - Actually, it's not  derby378   Mar-22-10 10:39 AM   #4 
  - Driving a car may be a privilege  WeekendWarrior   Mar-22-10 10:44 AM   #16 
     - Yes. Your lifestyle would be impacted. Living without a body? Well, that's more serious. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 11:26 AM   #54 
     - Privilege?  Naturalist111   Mar-22-10 05:46 PM   #87 
  - You know, come to think of it my wife did hold me at gunpoint this morning...  Earth_First   Mar-22-10 10:41 AM   #5 
  - Fail  Individualist   Mar-22-10 10:42 AM   #7 
  - why especially in CA?  cali   Mar-22-10 10:43 AM   #8 
  - Most people in California  WeekendWarrior   Mar-22-10 10:46 AM   #21 
     - that's no more true in CA than it is in Alaska or Texas  cali   Mar-22-10 10:49 AM   #27 
        - Then I guess you would need a car, wouldn't you?  WeekendWarrior   Mar-22-10 10:53 AM   #33 
           - And if you didn't have one your lifestyle would suffer.  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 11:29 AM   #55 
  - EPIC fail n/t  Donnachaidh   Mar-22-10 10:43 AM   #9 
  - Purchasing a car and driving it are totally voluntary.  Warpy   Mar-22-10 10:43 AM   #10 
  - What? No public transit in California?  ClassWarrior   Mar-22-10 10:43 AM   #12 
  - no, not really you're completely wrong.  Lerkfish   Mar-22-10 10:43 AM   #13 
  - I have no problem with the mandate, but it is still a poor analogy.  tritsofme   Mar-22-10 10:43 AM   #14 
  - Corollary: You can't NOT have a body.  frazzled   Mar-22-10 10:43 AM   #15 
  - I don't think there is a good analogy. This mandate is new ground.  GodlessBiker   Mar-22-10 10:44 AM   #17 
  - No you don't you CHOOSE to drive (as do I).  Statistical   Mar-22-10 10:46 AM   #22 
  - Only in that those who have to buy high risk coverage won't be  ScreamingMeemie   Mar-22-10 10:48 AM   #26 
  - and bike riders?  G_j   Mar-22-10 10:50 AM   #29 
  - Well, yes and no  tularetom   Mar-22-10 10:52 AM   #32 
  - This is correct on yet another level...  Bobbie Jo   Mar-22-10 10:58 AM   #35 
  - Still does not change the fact that it is possible to live without a car  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 11:34 AM   #57 
     - Of course that wasn't the point I was making...  Bobbie Jo   Mar-22-10 11:49 AM   #58 
        - The bill will allow some to purchase health insurance who can't currently afford it  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 12:14 PM   #60 
           - I see what you're saying...  Bobbie Jo   Mar-22-10 12:39 PM   #65 
  - Are approximately half of the bankruptcies in this country due to car repairs?  Lars39   Mar-22-10 11:09 AM   #43 
  - I disagree. It is not only logically possible to not drive, but many people, in reality, do not. nt.  Hosnon   Mar-22-10 11:11 AM   #45 
  - No, it's not  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 11:13 AM   #46 
  - I understand your point and get irked at those who say things like...  uppityperson   Mar-22-10 11:15 AM   #47 
  - The big difference is though that it is *possible* to do those things, make those choices..  Fumesucker   Mar-22-10 11:26 AM   #53 
     - Correct. What we see here is those who equate their lifestyle with their life  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 12:15 PM   #61 
     - It is not *possible* for me to stay alive without a car  uppityperson   Mar-22-10 01:57 PM   #73 
        - There are lots of people that live in the US without a car..  Fumesucker   Mar-22-10 02:12 PM   #78 
           - For some, a car is an option. For some, it is not. For those it is not an option, neither is insuran  uppityperson   Mar-22-10 02:20 PM   #82 
              - Yes, a car is an option..  Fumesucker   Mar-22-10 02:33 PM   #84 
  - I agree with the OP  samrock   Mar-22-10 11:23 AM   #51 
  - Agree all you want. Going without a car affects a person's lifestyle  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 12:18 PM   #62 
  - Which Federal law.....  dems_rightnow   Mar-22-10 11:57 AM   #59 
  - Another fallacy in this auto insurance argument. Those are all state laws. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 12:37 PM   #64 
     - ANOTHER fallacy: you DON' T have to buy car insurance EVEN IF you drive a car  Occulus   Mar-22-10 12:46 PM   #67 
  - There are several reasons, aside from car ownership being voluntary, that it's a bad analogy  Hello_Kitty   Mar-22-10 12:50 PM   #68 
  - The fact that so many Americans believe it is essential to have a car,  Berry Cool   Mar-22-10 01:03 PM   #69 
  - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Mar-22-10 01:06 PM   #70 
  - I hear people in Europe saying that all the time. Friends in France, Germany, England ALL  uppityperson   Mar-22-10 02:06 PM   #76 
  - Thank you. -nt-  DireStrike   Mar-22-10 02:08 PM   #77 
  - NO IT ISN'T... YOU CAN F___ING MOVE !!!!!  Motown_Johnny   Mar-22-10 01:28 PM   #72 
  - Find me a job in the city. Seriously. Find me a place to live. Find me a buyer for  uppityperson   Mar-22-10 02:03 PM   #74 
     - I didn't say it would be easy. Still the fact remains that it is only your lifestyle that makes you  Motown_Johnny   Mar-22-10 05:49 PM   #88 
        - I'm too old for the army. Try again.  uppityperson   Mar-22-10 08:05 PM   #90 
  - in my state you only have to buy insurance against the damage you do to somebody else  librechik   Mar-22-10 02:05 PM   #75 
  - No, it is a rough analogy that ends up more lie than truth  TheKentuckian   Mar-22-10 02:22 PM   #83 
  - Let me help you on this one  Naturalist111   Mar-22-10 05:19 PM   #85 
  - I wish this would just die.  AngryOldDem   Mar-22-10 05:51 PM   #89 
  - The whole world isn't California.  undeterred   Mar-22-10 08:11 PM   #91 

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