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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-10 07:31 AM
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34. Exactly they won't. While not paying the HCR fine may not be a crime.
Failing to pay your tax obligations is.

Intentionally defrauding the govt, "marking Yes I have health insurance on IRS form" when you don't to avoid the fine is fraud just like any other attempted tax evasion.

Thinking this will be a magical special non-enforced tax is naive at best.
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  -Can they arrest you for not paying the fine if you don't purchase insurance? Powdered Toast Man  Mar-22-10 01:51 AM   #0 
  - No, no one will be arrested. Its just a fine, and to be honest- this is the only part of the bill  cecilfirefox   Mar-22-10 01:52 AM   #1 
  - thanks. n/t  Powdered Toast Man   Mar-22-10 01:54 AM   #2 
  - what if they tie it to your credit rating  Skittles   Mar-22-10 02:06 AM   #4 
  - least of my worries.  Powdered Toast Man   Mar-22-10 02:13 AM   #6 
  - Isn't it collected by the IRS?  Matariki   Mar-22-10 06:39 AM   #28 
  - They will not arrest you, they will not levy you, they will not lien your property.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-10 02:05 AM   #3 
  - Thank you!  Powdered Toast Man   Mar-22-10 02:13 AM   #5 
  - But it still depends on what THEY (millionaire members of congress)  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-22-10 02:21 AM   #7 
  - It's based on a formula....  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-10 02:32 AM   #8 
     - Thanks for that  upi402   Mar-22-10 02:51 AM   #10 
        - Yes, Undocumented immigrants are the only ones exempt....  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-10 03:02 AM   #12 
  - THANK YOU FRENCHIE! Awesome!  Maru Kitteh   Mar-22-10 02:56 AM   #11 
  - How are they separating what you owe for taxes and what you owe for the fine?  dkf   Mar-22-10 03:21 AM   #14 
  - Exactly they won't. While not paying the HCR fine may not be a crime.  Statistical   Mar-22-10 07:31 AM   #34 
  - what if you just don't ever pay it?  TheFarseer   Mar-22-10 06:58 AM   #31 
  - It is like not paying any other tax owed to the IRS.  Statistical   Mar-22-10 07:34 AM   #35 
  - So if you don't pay the tax then the IRS says "No problem, and don't worry abou paying next year"?  Statistical   Mar-22-10 07:39 AM   #37 
  - politifact debunked this right-wing talking point last year  JustinL   Mar-22-10 02:49 AM   #9 
  - I wouldn't say completely debunked.  Statistical   Mar-22-10 07:37 AM   #36 
     - but the Senate bill expressly forbids criminal prosecution  JustinL   Mar-22-10 07:01 PM   #44 
  - Well, since the IRS is in charge..........  SergeStorms   Mar-22-10 03:13 AM   #13 
  - That's not how it will work.  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-10 03:27 AM   #15 
     - FrenchieCat you understand people go to prison for not paying their taxes, right?  951-Riverside   Mar-22-10 03:59 AM   #16 
     - The law is written and implicitly states that not paying the fine  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-10 04:11 AM   #18 
        - "I can tell you that only a fool would need to be afraid of the IRS"  951-Riverside   Mar-22-10 04:27 AM   #20 
           - Maybe because my clients just simply pay their taxes.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-10 04:41 AM   #22 
              - The question is the OP was specifically about NOT PAYING TAXES!  Statistical   Mar-22-10 07:45 AM   #39 
     - So, what you're saying is, you can just NOT pay the penalty, and there will be no further  coti   Mar-22-10 04:00 AM   #17 
  - Here are the facts about the fines:  sabrina 1   Mar-22-10 04:17 AM   #19 
  - Look up sec 6111 of the Senate Bill.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-10 04:35 AM   #21 
     - I've seen that already. In fact, it is mentioned and quoted  sabrina 1   Mar-22-10 05:00 AM   #24 
        - Of course the senate's bill language has been completed!  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-10 05:03 AM   #25 
           - What I posted was what YOU posted, stating that there would  sabrina 1   Mar-22-10 05:09 AM   #26 
  - No. The IRS just takes your money. n/t  eridani   Mar-22-10 04:41 AM   #23 
  - To be fair, lets let people opt out  safeinOhio   Mar-22-10 06:09 AM   #27 
  - Tell him that they will send him to Gitmo, just before it closes, and leave him there, alone!  DailyGrind51   Mar-22-10 06:46 AM   #29 
  - yes - the evil tentacles of Socialist Big Gummint will find you!111  jpak   Mar-22-10 06:52 AM   #30 
  - Actually, when the government becomes the enforcement arm of  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-22-10 09:34 AM   #43 
  - Tell him yes.  Iggo   Mar-22-10 07:05 AM   #32 
  - It isn't a fine it is a tax and onece enforced by IRS (so your freeper buddy is indirectly correct).  Statistical   Mar-22-10 07:25 AM   #33 
  - the amazing thing is you will still get medical treatment at everyone else's expense  stray cat   Mar-22-10 07:42 AM   #38 
  - Arrest?  NoPasaran   Mar-22-10 07:48 AM   #40 
  - Internal Revenue Code Section 7203  Statistical   Mar-22-10 07:57 AM   #41 
  - There is no fine, there is a tax.  WeDidIt   Mar-22-10 07:58 AM   #42 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-22-10 07:09 PM   #45 

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