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Sun Mar-21-10 09:00 PM
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| 79. Reread what you've posted . . . |
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Edited on Sun Mar-21-10 09:01 PM by defendandprotect
AMY GOODMAN: Congressman Kucinich, President Obama says that the Senate bill does include single-payer language. He was talking about a provision by Senator Bernie Sanders which would allow states to use federal money to set up a single-payer system years down the road. What do you think of that?
REP. DENNIS KUCINICH: Well, it provides for a waiver; it doesn’t grant the waiver. And it takes effect 2017. But by then, we’ll already have a system in place that will be very difficult to move out of. And it doesn’t cure the attack that insurance companies can make on state plans using the Employee—the ERISA Act. And so, my amendment that was passed in committee would have protected states from illegal challenge by insurance companies. The Sanders amendment doesn’t do that, so you still have the problem that, no matter what reforms are enacted, can be knocked out. I mean, I talked to the President personally about this. I’ve met with the President three times on this bill. The White House knows my position.
Then, you inject . . .
His provision simply offers a waiver and no other support for states. And here is the reason Pelosi likely pulled it:
The "his" being discussed is Bernie Sanders, not Kucinich . . .
Or did Pelosi also "pull" Sander's provision???
And, Kucinich makes quite clear here that the Sander's amendment provides no "safeguard" against
the insurance companies continuing to use ERISA for harassment lawsuits.
And, as others here are pointing out sets a huge bump in the road with the date of 2017!
Clear up that part of your post and I'll read the rest of it --
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| -Obama blocks single-payer at the state level |
defendandprotect |
Mar-20-10 09:40 PM |
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So much for "Change". |
Odin2005 |
Mar-20-10 09:41 PM |
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I still have change |
DJ13 |
Mar-20-10 09:42 PM |
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Chains you can believe in. |
Political Heretic |
Mar-20-10 09:43 PM |
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Mar-20-10 09:45 PM |
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nice |
d_b |
Mar-20-10 10:14 PM |
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There ya go.... |
readmoreoften |
Mar-20-10 10:41 PM |
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Vile |
kenny blankenship |
Mar-20-10 09:44 PM |
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Where is this quote....cause I couldn't find it at the link...... |
FrenchieCat |
Mar-20-10 09:44 PM |
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"Kucinich Amendment Dropped From Health Care Bill" . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-20-10 10:02 PM |
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What a Letdown. n/t |
OhioChick |
Mar-20-10 09:46 PM |
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Do you have a source? Your link is from blog entries from 2009. |
NYC_SKP |
Mar-20-10 09:50 PM |
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This thread can be studied for the difference between the |
FrenchieCat |
Mar-20-10 09:51 PM |
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"Pelosi Bill Strips Right of States to Adopt Single Payer" . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-20-10 10:04 PM |
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thank you for that n/t |
upi402 |
Mar-21-10 01:16 AM |
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That doesn't even sound possible. I think more information is needed |
EFerrari |
Mar-20-10 09:53 PM |
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His amendment was removed back in November by the committee |
tammywammy |
Mar-20-10 09:55 PM |
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Multiple sources would be a good idea at this point, with no disrespect intended |
EFerrari |
Mar-20-10 10:01 PM |
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Huffington Post/Washington Independent . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-20-10 10:08 PM |
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Thank you for those links. |
EFerrari |
Mar-20-10 10:12 PM |
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How about Florida 2000? Are you kidding? |
defendandprotect |
Mar-20-10 10:13 PM |
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Well, that's a good point. I was thinking it was more like trying to block |
EFerrari |
Mar-20-10 10:15 PM |
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Homosexual marriage would be the same thing -- DOMA . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-20-10 10:31 PM |
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No. It was not removed by the committee. |
bvar22 |
Mar-20-10 11:01 PM |
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Thanks for the correction. n/t |
tammywammy |
Mar-20-10 11:18 PM |
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So he caved AND lost his amendment? |
aquart |
Mar-21-10 12:04 AM |
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Dennis hasn't "caved" nearly as many times as Obama over the last year. |
bvar22 |
Mar-21-10 10:26 PM |
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have you noticed the pattern too? |
Donnachaidh |
Mar-21-10 07:59 PM |
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Thank you!! Kucinich also made clear in the Goodman interview ... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-21-10 08:09 PM |
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More info -- |
defendandprotect |
Mar-20-10 10:12 PM |
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I totally missed this wrinkle, too. n/t |
EFerrari |
Mar-20-10 10:13 PM |
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So in otherwords, you don't have any real sources that back up |
FrenchieCat |
Mar-20-10 10:15 PM |
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Huffington Post and Kucinich, himself, are not "sources" . . .???? |
defendandprotect |
Mar-20-10 10:24 PM |
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Did you read the thread? The poster is catching up with this bit of things. |
EFerrari |
Mar-20-10 10:34 PM |
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Pelosi said today she won't allow a seperate vote, "not on single payer, not on anything" |
Better Believe It |
Mar-20-10 10:02 PM |
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ERISA would not necessarily block the PA plan, according to some. |
drm604 |
Mar-20-10 10:13 PM |
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As it was put ... "bill provides no safeguards to protect states from lawsuits ... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-20-10 10:28 PM |
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It provides no protection from lawsuits but... |
drm604 |
Mar-20-10 10:53 PM |
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As I said I was totally unaware of this whole issue . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-20-10 11:30 PM |
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Bullshit |
Zomby Woof |
Mar-20-10 10:16 PM |
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With respect, Gavin is not known for his legislative acumen. |
EFerrari |
Mar-20-10 10:50 PM |
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Gavin conveniently leaves out |
Luminous Animal |
Mar-21-10 02:26 PM |
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SF was sued under ERISA and "costly legal fight for the city." -- |
defendandprotect |
Mar-21-10 08:19 PM |
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Obama: "I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care program." |
Karmadillo |
Mar-20-10 10:17 PM |
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What was it Pelosi said: "He was in favor of a lot of things during the campaign . .. |
defendandprotect |
Mar-20-10 10:30 PM |
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You're right. I looked up the link. I guess the ends justify the lies. |
Karmadillo |
Mar-21-10 10:59 AM |
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Thank you . . . and it just struck me that Pelosi is working directly against CA citizens' interests |
defendandprotect |
Mar-21-10 08:24 PM |
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They don't sleep. They have to keep swimming or they drown. |
Karmadillo |
Mar-21-10 08:54 PM |
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"Nancy Pelosi acting on Obama's instructions has stripped the Kucinich amendment from HR 3200" |
Cali_Democrat |
Mar-20-10 10:33 PM |
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See here . . . "stripped from the bill by Nancy Pelosi behind closed doors"-- |
defendandprotect |
Mar-21-10 09:13 PM |
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see! they told us Kucinich never accomplishes anything! |
G_j |
Mar-20-10 10:35 PM |
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what a load of pig crap! |
Aramchek |
Mar-20-10 10:47 PM |
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LINKS from 2009? WTF.... huh?.... and....unbelievable....14 RECS??? Do You People Even READ??? |
NYC_SKP |
Mar-20-10 11:00 PM |
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This is DU |
tammywammy |
Mar-20-10 11:01 PM |
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Sanders & Wyden put it in the Senate bill: "SEC. 1332. WAIVER FOR STATE INNOVATION" |
quiet.american |
Mar-20-10 11:28 PM |
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Well, in the Goodman interview with Kucinich . .. |
defendandprotect |
Mar-21-10 08:30 PM |
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Why are you posting something from LAST YEAR? |
WeekendWarrior |
Mar-21-10 12:08 AM |
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past pull dated? n/t |
upi402 |
Mar-21-10 12:12 AM |
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Irrelevent. HR3200 is dead. Let's talk about the current bill. nt |
johnaries |
Mar-21-10 12:16 AM |
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Single payer is "irrelevant"? |
Lorien |
Mar-21-10 01:56 AM |
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I think they have the bill they want. |
laughingliberal |
Mar-21-10 08:29 PM |
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We are talking about the "current bill" -- and a safeguard for states that want single payer . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-21-10 08:38 PM |
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From what I've been reading the waiver date of 2017 on Sec.1332 is more the problem |
suffragette |
Mar-21-10 01:41 AM |
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It does seem like the 2017 date is the real problem. |
drm604 |
Mar-21-10 09:25 AM |
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The best way would probably be to have clearcut language |
suffragette |
Mar-21-10 11:57 AM |
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I agree wholeheartedly that it would be much better to have language |
drm604 |
Mar-21-10 12:14 PM |
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We're both looking for the silver lining |
suffragette |
Mar-21-10 12:47 PM |
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Maybe The Keystone State can be the keystone for single payer. |
drm604 |
Mar-21-10 01:08 PM |
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Symbolic and appropriate |
suffragette |
Mar-21-10 01:29 PM |
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My Uncle and cousins and their families are in the Spokane area |
drm604 |
Mar-21-10 02:05 PM |
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Spokane is on the other side of the Cascade mountains |
suffragette |
Mar-21-10 02:19 PM |
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I got to live in Vancouver for five weeks for work back in '96. |
drm604 |
Mar-21-10 02:27 PM |
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Lucky you |
suffragette |
Mar-21-10 03:56 PM |
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Guess by 2017, the insurance companies would feel better about competition . . . !!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-21-10 09:16 PM |
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Even more confusing . .. meanwhile, insurance companies have used ERISA for harassment |
defendandprotect |
Mar-21-10 08:48 PM |
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I hope PNHP as it right and we can push past ERISA |
suffragette |
Mar-21-10 10:36 PM |
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Mar-21-10 01:53 AM |
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WTF?! |
earth mom |
Mar-21-10 04:33 AM |
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Yes |
Trillo |
Mar-21-10 10:36 AM |
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President Obama and Speaker Pelosi made |
ProSense |
Mar-21-10 12:17 PM |
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Reread what you've posted . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-21-10 09:00 PM |
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K & R |
SlingBlade |
Mar-21-10 12:44 PM |
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K and WTF. |
NYC_SKP |
Mar-21-10 05:02 PM |
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what, our state wants SIngle Payer? |
tigereye |
Mar-21-10 08:22 PM |
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I think a lot of states would go in that direction, it's what citizens wants . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-21-10 09:05 PM |
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wow, thanks for the info! |
tigereye |
Mar-21-10 10:50 PM |
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Is that true? |
Tomorrows Dream |
Mar-21-10 09:26 PM |
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