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Fri Mar-19-10 05:05 PM
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| 40. I'd like to try to see you explaining anything about anything. |
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You appear to have a problem with the written word.
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| -"Race may not even exist" - I've heard this a few times |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 04:24 PM |
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The idea of "race"; that 3 colors, white, black, and asian exist, is a myth |
ck4829 |
Mar-19-10 04:27 PM |
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Very true... |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 04:29 PM |
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EU Passports with a race section? |
Call Me Wesley |
Mar-19-10 06:29 PM |
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It doesn't??? Now I want to know for sure |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 06:33 PM |
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Nope - you are right - all apologies |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 06:34 PM |
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EU passports do NOT have a section for 'race' |
anigbrowl |
Mar-19-10 07:15 PM |
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There was a terriblew dyoff of humans, not that long ago, and so, there is very little genetic |
Gman2 |
Mar-19-10 04:28 PM |
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Really? Now this is f'ing intersting |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 04:29 PM |
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Toba catastrophe population bottleneck |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 04:35 PM |
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So do we have any mitochondrial DNA in fossils from the ancestors that did not fare so well? |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 04:36 PM |
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You'd have to check Neanderthal and Hobbit DNA |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 04:40 PM |
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Oh yeah there was that "hobbit" fossil they found in Sumatra |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 04:43 PM |
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Yeah, a lot more is known about it now, |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 04:46 PM |
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I believe scientists have already compared some mDNA from early human ancestors. |
4lbs |
Mar-19-10 06:45 PM |
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"Dyoff"? |
Berry Cool |
Mar-19-10 04:33 PM |
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it does not exist as a biological thing |
Enrique |
Mar-19-10 04:29 PM |
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Well there IS a term called race in Biology |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 04:32 PM |
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Well, yeah, but not in humans. |
iris27 |
Mar-19-10 07:28 PM |
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There's no such thing as race. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 04:31 PM |
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Thanks! |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 04:32 PM |
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If there is a genetic definition, we haven't found it yet. |
Orsino |
Mar-19-10 05:56 PM |
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race is a "social construct" - |
mzteris |
Mar-19-10 04:32 PM |
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I'm becoming consigned to the following adage: |
ShortnFiery |
Mar-19-10 04:34 PM |
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From what I read, "race" has to do with adaptation |
texastoast |
Mar-19-10 04:34 PM |
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Here is a book about that |
G_j |
Mar-19-10 04:34 PM |
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" the word "race" does not even appear in history until the time of Christopher Columbus" |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 04:37 PM |
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It was hardly a new concept, regardless of etymology. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 04:53 PM |
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Ethnicity is more meaningful, yet still cultural |
Political Heretic |
Mar-19-10 04:36 PM |
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There's no scientific basis for the modern concept of race. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 04:39 PM |
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Homo Sapiens is a visual creature |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 04:40 PM |
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We all come from Africa, and all have the same DNA. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 04:42 PM |
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Therefore, there's no such thing as America, right? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 04:46 PM |
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try reading reply #6 nt |
G_j |
Mar-19-10 04:50 PM |
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I read it. It's wrong. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 04:52 PM |
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Sorry, only one race, human. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 04:58 PM |
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Being purposefully obtuse won't change the fact that there are numerous races. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 04:59 PM |
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If there are numerous races, how would you define each? |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 05:02 PM |
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Sorry, none. Take the non-science elsewhere Dr Woo-Woo. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:03 PM |
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As I clearly stated in my original post, this is not a scientific argument. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:04 PM |
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Yes, actually it is. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:07 PM |
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No shit. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:12 PM |
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Race does not exist scientifically, as I said. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:22 PM |
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You said race doesn't exist period. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:25 PM |
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It doesn't. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:26 PM |
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And I'm not responsible for your denials. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:30 PM |
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You aren't even responsible for your low IQ. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:35 PM |
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If I've got a low IQ... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:37 PM |
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I'm sure your low IQ sees it that way. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:39 PM |
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Well, let's see... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:52 PM |
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No, sorry. I won't go along with misquotes either. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 06:16 PM |
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A sociological argument perhaps |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 05:15 PM |
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OK mister smarty pants - riddle me this then... |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 04:59 PM |
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The dictionary defines race as... |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:02 PM |
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By that definition, would President Obama not be Negroid nor Caucasian but a 3rd race? |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 05:03 PM |
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Obama's black. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:04 PM |
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But biologically there is that Roulette of inherited characteristics |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 05:13 PM |
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Biology doesn't enter into this. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:31 PM |
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Biology doesn't enter into this. why not? |
G_j |
Mar-19-10 05:57 PM |
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This may be a shock to you, but white supremacists and racists are wrong. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 06:01 PM |
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duh |
G_j |
Mar-19-10 06:59 PM |
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American is a nationality, not a race. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 04:59 PM |
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Yes but HFPS was arguing that American is a distinction that has no basis in biology |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 05:01 PM |
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It doesn't. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:12 PM |
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I agree with you 100% |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 05:16 PM |
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No shit. Really? Next you'll be telling me that DU is a website. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:02 PM |
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It appears I'll have to explain your ass and your elbow. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:05 PM |
#39 |
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I'd like to try to see you explaining anything about anything. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:05 PM |
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Nothing can be explained to a brick wall. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:08 PM |
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There's no scientific basis for a "Great Wall of China" |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:11 PM |
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I think you've been SMOKING corn syrup. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:12 PM |
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I think he mainlines the shit, actually. |
Sebastian Doyle |
Mar-19-10 05:33 PM |
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LOL sounds like it! |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:36 PM |
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It must be all the fluoride. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-19-10 05:38 PM |
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I don't care who you are... |
Ignis |
Mar-19-10 09:09 PM |
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exactly |
fishwax |
Mar-19-10 05:45 PM |
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People 'believe' in all manner of things. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 06:18 PM |
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whether or not there's any such thing as god, there is certainly such a thing as religion |
fishwax |
Mar-19-10 06:28 PM |
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Only in some societies. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 06:37 PM |
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I didn't say it was the same everywhere |
fishwax |
Mar-19-10 06:39 PM |
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You have no idea how odd this sounds to me. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 06:47 PM |
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Hi, HFPS. Why are you mixing woo in with your science? |
Ignis |
Mar-19-10 09:22 PM |
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The meaning of the word has changed throughout history |
DavidDvorkin |
Mar-19-10 05:09 PM |
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It's all melanin and we're all different shades of the same color |
Warpy |
Mar-19-10 05:10 PM |
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It's more like latitudinal variations. More than just melanin, bone structure. |
Gman2 |
Mar-19-10 05:13 PM |
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Although despite this, Mitochondrial Eve is not very far behind |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 06:08 PM |
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Not really, since all variations exist throughout the human population |
Warpy |
Mar-19-10 06:09 PM |
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Yup, I'm Celtic, as 'white' as it gets outside |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 05:25 PM |
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That would mean my race specifier invention is worthless... |
yawnmaster |
Mar-19-10 07:10 PM |
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Yeah, I look like a lily white generic northern European |
Warpy |
Mar-19-10 08:34 PM |
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We are all cousins. There is no such thing as race. |
David Zephyr |
Mar-19-10 05:13 PM |
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Can you provide a single bit of reasonng that races exist? |
L. Coyote |
Mar-19-10 05:42 PM |
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Good point |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 05:57 PM |
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Why should we hve to defend reason? Let those who have false ideas try to defend their thinking |
L. Coyote |
Mar-19-10 06:01 PM |
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Well there is the argument for it being a Sociological Grouping |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 06:06 PM |
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A 'belief', mostly restricted to those who have to have |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 06:21 PM |
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No it makes no more difference - but in the eyes of others, it has value as a descriptor |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 06:32 PM |
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LOL oh there are lots of ways you can differentiate |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 06:34 PM |
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Agreed |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 06:36 PM |
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From DNA analysis, you can tell quite accurately where most people came from |
FarCenter |
Mar-19-10 06:23 PM |
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You can tell what their ancestors adapted to. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 06:26 PM |
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You can tell precisely what your Y and mitochondrial DNA haplogroups are |
FarCenter |
Mar-19-10 06:38 PM |
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Not something that comes up on a first date, |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 06:54 PM |
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Swapping DNA on a first date is probably a bad idea |
FarCenter |
Mar-19-10 06:57 PM |
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LOL agreed, in more ways than one. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 06:59 PM |
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Agreed |
Taverner |
Mar-19-10 06:38 PM |
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Appearance is a poor indicator -- that's why you need to do the DNA analysis |
FarCenter |
Mar-19-10 06:43 PM |
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Technically, there are 9 morphological/genetic subspecies of humans. |
Xithras |
Mar-19-10 06:39 PM |
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That gives the general picture, although I think there's been a lot more refinement since '94 |
FarCenter |
Mar-19-10 06:54 PM |
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There are probably also multiple races of subSaharan Africans |
FarCenter |
Mar-19-10 07:03 PM |
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Race came about as a construct from "jumping" from one location to another |
RainDog |
Mar-19-10 06:48 PM |
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fascinating |
Locrian |
Mar-19-10 07:05 PM |
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One of the many things I loved about Star Trek |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 07:11 PM |
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Race maybe a social construct, but abstracting it doesn't make it any less real |
jdp349 |
Mar-19-10 07:10 PM |
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Only to people who believe in it. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 07:14 PM |
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sure it's an arbitrary grouping of physical characteristics |
jdp349 |
Mar-19-10 07:30 PM |
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I don't know of any two nations |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 07:54 PM |
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I agree JDP. It may be a social construct but that construct has |
CBR |
Mar-19-10 07:58 PM |
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Well...all social constructs do that |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 08:01 PM |
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Exactly why when discussing things like the census we cannot ignore them. nt |
CBR |
Mar-19-10 09:09 PM |
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I do. |
HeresyLives |
Mar-19-10 09:14 PM |
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"Race" has no more place in science than does "The Invisible Hand." |
Ignis |
Mar-19-10 07:24 PM |
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No, the invisible hand is meaningful |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-19-10 08:43 PM |
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Not the best example, I'll admit. It has a useful role in economics. |
Ignis |
Mar-19-10 09:08 PM |
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Read this book ... |
RoyGBiv |
Mar-19-10 08:11 PM |
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Race both exists and doesn't exist |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Mar-19-10 08:31 PM |
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Race is a social construct; here are some readings/resources you may find helpful.. |
moc |
Mar-19-10 08:55 PM |
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Thanks! Perfect! |
Taverner |
Mar-21-10 12:43 PM |
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Tell that to NASCAR. |
deaniac21 |
Mar-19-10 09:24 PM |
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A Google search agrees with you. |
Ignis |
Mar-19-10 09:31 PM |
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There you go. |
deaniac21 |
Mar-19-10 09:35 PM |
#128 |
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