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129. And yet when people make the argument that people with preexisting conditions
will not be covered for four years people have had the nerve to tell them to stop lying. Someone just made the claim on this thread.
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  -Robert Gibbs publicly admits a 4-year delay in implementing the adult preexisting condition rule. seafan  Mar-18-10 07:42 PM   #0 
  - "Admits" Dude, this has been out there for months.  Schema Thing   Mar-18-10 07:43 PM   #1 
  - Yet, when some of us pointed that out, we were attacked by the pro-HCR gang  Larkspur   Mar-18-10 07:45 PM   #4 
  - Gotta start somewhere though.  PatrynXX   Mar-19-10 02:08 PM   #160 
  - Hey, be thankful for "lesser of evils" and . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:24 PM   #179 
     - And "suffer the little children to come unto" whom, when their parents ...  puebloknot   Mar-20-10 02:27 PM   #267 
  - its the anything for a bill mantra!!  robinblue   Mar-20-10 09:38 AM   #266 
  - Or maybe Obama will show some balls and break out the SIGNING STATEMENTS! :D  Ysabela   Mar-22-10 04:20 AM   #273 
  - I was "corrected" that this was not true only yesterday:  Bluebear   Mar-18-10 07:50 PM   #13 
  - They are not allowed to tell us until the White House says so  laughingliberal   Mar-18-10 08:16 PM   #39 
  - :NODDING:  Bluebear   Mar-18-10 08:32 PM   #41 
  - 2014 is an abomination. A total abomination.  roguevalley   Mar-18-10 10:11 PM   #55 
  - + 10.  whathehell   Mar-19-10 09:56 AM   #98 
  - Actually, 2014 is simply the date when the presidency rotates back  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-19-10 03:40 PM   #191 
     - In his big speech last Summer he told us to hold him accountable for this bill -  pundaint   Mar-19-10 04:02 PM   #211 
  - That's insulting.  ihavenobias   Mar-19-10 06:15 PM   #234 
     - +1  Bluebear   Mar-19-10 08:34 PM   #250 
  - It's not. nt  quiet.american   Mar-19-10 02:33 PM   #165 
  - If by "out there" you mean whispered about on a few boards like this, I guess you could say that.  whathehell   Mar-19-10 09:43 AM   #97 
  - By "out there" I mean "any semi-informed person has no excuse not to know it long ago"  Schema Thing   Mar-19-10 10:18 AM   #102 
     - Gee...then judging from the posts here, there's a whole lot of Ignorant DUer's?  whathehell   Mar-19-10 11:19 AM   #123 
     - Since when were all the details printed in the media?  WinkyDink   Mar-19-10 11:53 AM   #132 
     - Howard Dean, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz and Michael Moore all confirmed that ...  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:26 PM   #180 
  - Come on . . . DLC'ers here have been trying to hide that monster . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:23 PM   #178 
  - Well, it is 4 years less than NEVER!!!!!  TheEuclideanOne   Mar-19-10 03:49 PM   #202 
  - Michael Moore was right.  EFerrari   Mar-18-10 07:44 PM   #2 
  - Yes, he is.  aquart   Mar-18-10 08:02 PM   #22 
  - The Supreme Court said, the Democrats don't have to care what we think. n/t  EFerrari   Mar-18-10 08:11 PM   #32 
  - And they don't.  pecwae   Mar-19-10 06:03 AM   #81 
  - I wish I could be directed to exactly where it states in the bill that individuals  Jefferson23   Mar-19-10 10:57 AM   #113 
  - Excellent point  humbled_opinion   Mar-19-10 06:58 PM   #239 
  - If those controls don't exist, which are essential re: pre-existing conditions, then  Jefferson23   Mar-19-10 07:13 PM   #243 
  - What the bill says is that companies will be fined if they don't insure ppl with pre-existing cond  rpannier   Mar-20-10 07:44 PM   #270 
     - So, it is still possible that the insured will have higher premiums as  Jefferson23   Mar-21-10 10:24 AM   #271 
  - Yeah. A going away party n/t  gilpo   Mar-19-10 01:18 PM   #145 
  - +1  Echo In Light   Mar-19-10 09:36 AM   #95 
  - absolutely.nt  Lorien   Mar-19-10 02:00 PM   #152 
  - Moore was factually wrong that people would have to wait four years for access to coverage.  quiet.american   Mar-19-10 03:05 PM   #171 
     - "At long last, have you no sense of decency" ... ? The woman cannot afford the insurance!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:29 PM   #182 
        - Just ridiculous. nt  quiet.american   Mar-19-10 03:36 PM   #186 
  - This was known all along  gravity   Mar-18-10 07:45 PM   #3 
  - They sure as hell CAN implement that rule before the mandate is in place.  kestrel91316   Mar-18-10 07:52 PM   #17 
  - California (and New York)  Sgent   Mar-19-10 02:34 PM   #166 
     - This legislation also doesn't safeguard states against lawsuits if they want single payer!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:31 PM   #183 
  - It shouldn't even be a part of this bill. We went to war in two  sabrina 1   Mar-18-10 09:00 PM   #42 
  - +1,000 and thank you.  inna   Mar-19-10 02:08 AM   #69 
  - +10,000 nt  laughingliberal   Mar-19-10 02:19 AM   #71 
  - Yep.  Lorien   Mar-19-10 02:01 PM   #153 
  - Thank you -- and 180,000 will die before 2014 according to Harvard Medical Research....  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:32 PM   #184 
     - shaking head.  Bluebear   Mar-20-10 03:00 PM   #268 
  - Perhaps it was known all along but, then again, there have been people saying it wasn't true  laughingliberal   Mar-18-10 09:22 PM   #51 
  - "If you repeat a lie long enough" . ..  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:34 PM   #185 
  - This was perfected during the Bush years.  Gin Blossom   Mar-19-10 06:06 PM   #233 
  - You can't be fucking serious?  pattmarty   Mar-19-10 07:30 AM   #83 
  - Wow I dont know whether to laugh at this comment  spiritual_gunfighter   Mar-19-10 01:40 PM   #147 
  - I dont think they should make a mandate before they prove they have a fair system for all  Oregone   Mar-18-10 07:46 PM   #5 
  - This isn't universal health care, everyone in, no one out -- it's a tiered-system . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:37 PM   #188 
  - I think there is to e a hhigh risk pool set up to cover those people in the interim.  napi21   Mar-18-10 07:46 PM   #6 
  - Even so, I wonder just what the premiums will be for that "high risk" pool.  Tansy_Gold   Mar-18-10 07:49 PM   #11 
  - Or the deducts. n/t  Cleobulus   Mar-18-10 07:50 PM   #14 
  - Not really. I'm pretty sure the words, "out of reach" would cover it. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-18-10 08:18 PM   #40 
  - Texas currently has a "high risk" pool. That "insurance"  ScreamingMeemie   Mar-18-10 09:34 PM   #54 
  - It will be similar to pools that already exist at the state level  eridani   Mar-19-10 02:04 AM   #68 
  - It's "junk insurance" with no guarantees of care . . . and a government which doesn't care!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:39 PM   #190 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-19-10 07:34 AM   #84 
  - that's a bit much...eom  Kolesar   Mar-19-10 12:04 PM   #136 
  - Another labeling of American citizens . . . "poor" and "high risk" ... !!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:38 PM   #189 
  - At this point, I don't care anymore  Xipe Totec   Mar-18-10 07:46 PM   # 
  - Well you're wrong. This bill institutionalizes privatization into the system........  pattmarty   Mar-19-10 07:37 AM   #85 
  - Without it we're fucked anyway, so what difference does it make?  Xipe Totec   Mar-19-10 09:33 AM   #94 
  - Well, why pass something that costs so much and actually will.............  pattmarty   Mar-19-10 09:36 AM   #96 
  - Indeed. There will be no "do overs"  Lorien   Mar-19-10 02:03 PM   #154 
  - They will NOT start over again if this passes . . . the new attacks will be  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:40 PM   #192 
  - They will certainly not start over if it fails  Xipe Totec   Mar-19-10 04:59 PM   #226 
  - while I thoroughly understand (and share) your frustration, I disagree . . .  OneBlueSky   Mar-19-10 05:47 PM   #232 
     - The fact of the matter is, flawed though this bill might be,  Xipe Totec   Mar-19-10 07:38 PM   #246 
  - Whereas, if it were a bank or corporation bailout, it would go into effect immediately.  katandmoon   Mar-18-10 07:46 PM   #7 
  - Yes, those entities are apparantly already "in the system"  Bluebear   Mar-18-10 07:49 PM   #12 
  - Yeah, just like "credit card reform", he gave them a fucking year.................  pattmarty   Mar-19-10 07:54 AM   #87 
  - They got a Trillion Dollars to the Wall Street Bankers...  bvar22   Mar-19-10 03:43 PM   #196 
  - ... don't forget war escalation.  liberation   Mar-19-10 10:41 AM   #106 
  - And people think...  sendero   Mar-18-10 07:46 PM   #8 
  - I hope with you.  emilyg   Mar-19-10 01:15 AM   #61 
  - This bill will also be major opportunity for insurance companies to "game" it --  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:41 PM   #193 
  - As someone noted elsewhere, the elite like to play with their food before they eat it. nt  valerief   Mar-18-10 07:47 PM   #9 
  - Doubletalk bullshit from the White House:  Bluebear   Mar-18-10 07:48 PM   #10 
  - yep, can't make them do the right and moral thing until they can profit from it! nt  boston bean   Mar-18-10 07:54 PM   #20 
     - I think the American voters were looking to Obama to do the "moral" thing here with  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:43 PM   #195 
  - Oh wait the DLC types have been telling me all week that I want people to die  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-18-10 07:51 PM   #15 
  - I heard the same crap lies yesterday:  Bluebear   Mar-18-10 07:52 PM   #16 
  - You were right. And I was right. And everyone who has been telling us we were wrong was  laughingliberal   Mar-18-10 08:09 PM   #29 
  - Be careful of WHO you're reading here . . . and there are 2500 pages in this bill...  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:44 PM   #198 
     - Oh, I already know who the "just pass the damn bill; never mind what's in it" crowd are  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-19-10 06:29 PM   #235 
        - Okay . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 08:54 PM   #261 
  - Take 2 aspirin (if you can afford them) and call me back in 4 years.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-18-10 07:53 PM   #18 
  - Meanwhile, pray away your cancer, HIV, diabetes, etc.  Bluebear   Mar-18-10 07:54 PM   #19 
  - Well, they'll be calling us for our votes every year.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-18-10 08:03 PM   #24 
  - By which point the law will be amended to get allow the preexisting condition BS back anyway  Posteritatis   Mar-19-10 03:50 PM   #203 
  - It will cover people 26 or less with pre-existing conditions, unfortunately not  still_one   Mar-18-10 07:55 PM   #21 
  - The house bill had a 90 day provision, I hope it remains. However, the outrage seems  mzmolly   Mar-18-10 08:03 PM   #23 
  - 'Four years is better than NEVER.' - if you can last four years!  Bluebear   Mar-18-10 08:04 PM   #25 
  - I'd like to see this provision immediately. But again the critique  mzmolly   Mar-18-10 08:09 PM   #30 
  - They won't get the help after 4 years, either  laughingliberal   Mar-18-10 08:12 PM   #34 
     - Or they'll be long dead.  Bluebear   Mar-18-10 08:15 PM   #36 
     - That's what Limbaugh  mzmolly   Mar-18-10 08:16 PM   #37 
        - I'm pretty sure Limbaugh is not on the same page as I  laughingliberal   Mar-18-10 09:07 PM   #45 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-18-10 09:13 PM   #50 
  - notice  dana_b   Mar-19-10 02:29 AM   #73 
  - You and your ilk are not saying wait, you're saying if I don't get my way  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 10:15 AM   #100 
     - By "ilk" you mean your straw man argument?  liberation   Mar-19-10 10:47 AM   #108 
        - Have you given up your own mediocre insurance coverage  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 10:52 AM   #110 
           - Have your tried to make a point which does not depend on massive intellectual dishonesty  liberation   Mar-19-10 10:58 AM   #114 
           - What's dishonest is suggesing that everyone else is ok without  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 11:00 AM   #116 
              - Seriously, it is hard to keep up with the logical dissonance you are displaying...  liberation   Mar-19-10 11:08 AM   #119 
                 - Advocating for death of this bill, IS advocating that  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 11:15 AM   #120 
           - This is complete and utter bullshit and disinformation.  stranger81   Mar-19-10 02:39 PM   #169 
  - If you can last?  humbled_opinion   Mar-19-10 11:47 AM   #125 
  - And that's a deflection from the contingent that were claiming Moore was wrong  EFerrari   Mar-19-10 01:20 AM   #63 
  - I'm not sure he's correct yet. The house bill has a 90 day wait written into it.  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 10:18 AM   #101 
  - I hate to say "I told you so", but I told you so.  pattmarty   Mar-19-10 07:57 AM   #89 
  - Yes . . . keep pushing the "lesser of evils" . . . !!! Yikes!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:45 PM   #199 
  - how many will suffer because of this delay...?  madrchsod   Mar-18-10 08:05 PM   #26 
  - someone must have the night off.....  madrchsod   Mar-18-10 08:06 PM   #27 
  - i suspect  amborin   Mar-19-10 02:28 AM   #72 
     - Yes thankfully reform may not pass and the four year wait for adults that people are bitching about  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 10:32 AM   #105 
        - "reform"  amborin   Mar-19-10 11:16 AM   #121 
           - No four year wait on pre-existing conditions.  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 11:49 AM   #127 
              - well that's good to learn  amborin   Mar-19-10 05:20 PM   #230 
  - Too many, if there is a four year delay.  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 10:31 AM   #104 
  - 180,000 will die according to Harvard Medical Research in the "GAP" . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:46 PM   #200 
  - surprised they haven't used this BS reasoning for not regulating Wall St.  optimator   Mar-18-10 08:09 PM   #28 
  - Oh just wait and see what the administration and the Senate Dems have in store for that!  depakid   Mar-19-10 02:49 AM   #76 
  - Yeah, we'll have the same lockstep contingent of know nothings.........  pattmarty   Mar-19-10 08:03 AM   #90 
  - Wars and corrupt capitalism/bank failures aren't to be disrupted!!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:47 PM   #201 
  - This thing will pass due to the party twisting the rules, then there will be an avalanche of truth  cherokeeprogressive   Mar-18-10 08:11 PM   #31 
  - That's what I'm thinking, too. They're going to stand there  EFerrari   Mar-18-10 08:13 PM   #35 
  - There'll be so much spinning at that point we'll all need dramamine  laughingliberal   Mar-18-10 09:09 PM   #47 
  - You can bet your bottom dollar that the details are where the Devil will be hiding  cherokeeprogressive   Mar-19-10 12:21 AM   #60 
  - By passing and signing this POS, the Dems are handing the keys of Congress  LibDemAlways   Mar-19-10 02:39 AM   #74 
     - Don't think they'll reveal the benefits for corporates...$300 billion taxpayer dollars ...  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:51 PM   #204 
  - This one issue alone should have bi-partsian approval.  sellitman   Mar-18-10 08:12 PM   #33 
  - Obama has sold out on pre-existing conditions . . . MOBILIZE . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:51 PM   #205 
  - " IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO INSURANCE FOR UNINSURED INDIVIDUALS WITH A PREEXISTING CONDITION"  ProSense   Mar-18-10 08:16 PM   #38 
  - Depending on the condition and depending on their ability to pay  ScreamingMeemie   Mar-18-10 09:06 PM   #44 
  - "This is not a win, this is not even a difference." Nonsense. n/t  ProSense   Mar-18-10 09:07 PM   #46 
  - So how much is this temporary high risk pool going to cost? n/t  Cleobulus   Mar-18-10 09:10 PM   #48 
  - It is going to do absolutely nothing for me and my illness.  ScreamingMeemie   Mar-18-10 09:23 PM   #52 
     - I am very sorry for you :(  Bluebear   Mar-18-10 10:57 PM   #58 
  - And depending on whether it will it will be cheaper for the insurance companies...  misanthrope   Mar-18-10 10:41 PM   #57 
  - MOBILIZE . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:53 PM   #206 
  - No, that's not a fact. That's the WH press release. n/t  EFerrari   Mar-19-10 01:21 AM   #64 
  - Remember when we used to mock Freepers for citing  Marr   Mar-19-10 01:52 AM   #66 
  - FYI - it's now fact.  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 10:56 AM   #112 
     - No it's NOT a fact. Even the White House isn't trying to push that bullshit. n/t  Raineyb   Mar-19-10 11:49 AM   #126 
        - "Starting this year Americans with pre-existing conditions will be able to purchase health ins."  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 11:49 AM   #128 
           - Insurance companies can discriminate against those with preexisting conditions until  Raineyb   Mar-19-10 01:58 PM   #151 
              - Which must be why the bill sets up a Governement structured plan  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 02:05 PM   #158 
  - Well thank you very much. It may be as you say a "fact", but in the............  pattmarty   Mar-19-10 08:10 AM   #91 
  - With no public option what is the COST???  humbled_opinion   Mar-19-10 11:52 AM   #131 
     - Agree . . . and the attempts to fool the public go on and on . ..  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 03:57 PM   #207 
        - Say it again, say it again  humbled_opinion   Mar-19-10 06:49 PM   #237 
           - Agree with your analysis and how it will effect Medicare/Medicaid . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 08:34 PM   #251 
  - And the coverage that begins after that will cost more than the average  ScreamingMeemie   Mar-18-10 09:05 PM   #43 
  - OMG how many thousands of people are going to die and be on YOUR conscience Gibbs?  ibegurpard   Mar-18-10 09:12 PM   #49 
  - Estimate by Harvard Medical Research is: 180,000 will die in the GAP to 2014...  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 08:36 PM   #252 
  - I am so sick of this crap in this Country I could scream.  glinda   Mar-18-10 09:31 PM   #53 
  - There's still 2010 and 2012 . . . MOBILIZE . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 04:00 PM   #208 
  - kick  Bluebear   Mar-18-10 10:39 PM   #56 
  - The blowback from the scamming on this bill will ruin the party  autorank   Mar-18-10 11:10 PM   #59 
  - you said it brother.  Bluebear   Mar-19-10 01:18 AM   #62 
  - The last time I was this pissed it was when no one would stand up  EFerrari   Mar-19-10 01:23 AM   #65 
  - Congressional Black Caucus was squelched  upi402   Mar-19-10 02:16 AM   #70 
     - And we have these "Corporate-Democrats" ignoring need to get rid of Computers. . .!!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 04:02 PM   #210 
  - Letting them?  Lilith Velkor   Mar-19-10 01:57 AM   #67 
  - by design  autorank   Mar-19-10 04:16 AM   #78 
  - As far as Obama's "deals" long ago with insurance companies...it's been the plan!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 04:03 PM   #212 
  - That's the point of DLC corporate destruction of the party ...dismantling it --  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 04:01 PM   #209 
  - +1  humbled_opinion   Mar-19-10 07:00 PM   #240 
  - Yet another thing people are just going to LOVE about the legislation!  depakid   Mar-19-10 02:48 AM   #75 
  - You said it  Bluebear   Mar-19-10 03:28 AM   #77 
  - The thing is  pecwae   Mar-19-10 06:13 AM   #82 
  - Purposeful demoralizing of those who support the former ideals of the Democratic Party!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 04:04 PM   #213 
  - If they could get this implemented earlier  Proud Liberal Dem   Mar-19-10 05:38 AM   #79 
  - Let Them Eat Cake.  Political Heretic   Mar-19-10 05:42 AM   #80 
  - What the Dems have succeeded in doing with this bill is putting.................  pattmarty   Mar-19-10 07:43 AM   #86 
  - Exactly what Howard Dean said: "It's not HC Reform" . .."It's a Romney-type plan" . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 04:05 PM   #215 
  - This is the height of hyperbole here. So the largest expenditure on the poor and sick  berni_mccoy   Mar-19-10 07:55 AM   #88 
  - It's not the largest expenditure on the poor and sick. It's a huge transfer  nightrain   Mar-19-10 08:27 AM   #93 
  - Keep in mind that PER PERSON we pay what the Swiss pay for their luxurious . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 04:08 PM   #216 
  - I don't think that "hyperbole" means what you want it to mean...  liberation   Mar-19-10 11:02 AM   #118 
     - These people are going to be forced to buy "junk" insurance .. .  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 04:09 PM   #218 
  - K&R  muffin1   Mar-19-10 08:11 AM   #92 
  - Unrec - anybody who doesn't know this is a moron  HughMoran   Mar-19-10 10:12 AM   #99 
  - that's your defense?  Skittles   Mar-19-10 10:55 AM   #111 
  - It would be funny if wasn't so pathetic.  Forkboy   Mar-19-10 11:00 AM   #115 
  - Whats your defense for not reading the bill?  grantcart   Mar-19-10 04:09 PM   #217 
     - I have read the bill  Skittles   Mar-20-10 05:52 PM   #269 
  - Where would DU be without your grand knowledge?  Forkboy   Mar-19-10 11:01 AM   #117 
  - And yet when people make the argument that people with preexisting conditions  Raineyb   Mar-19-10 11:51 AM   #129 
  - Well, you must be anti-Obama and want the Republicans to win to be posting this  AllyCat   Mar-19-10 10:27 AM   #103 
  - Just wait till Obama's panel gets its claws around social security & medicare.  gulfcoastliberal   Mar-19-10 12:15 PM   #138 
     - I never expected it would be the DEMS that would smoke the working class  AllyCat   Mar-19-10 01:49 PM   #149 
     - Isn't it outrageous how Obama is all for privatizing public education?! Sadly the DLC has succeeded  gulfcoastliberal   Mar-19-10 02:12 PM   #162 
     - DLC-corporate wing has taken over the party . . .could it be more obvious?  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 04:13 PM   #221 
     - Well, it's been discussed and I've suspected, but never thought Obama would go this low!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 08:38 PM   #253 
     - True . . . Obama makes clear the LEFT is OUT . . . that's women's issues ...  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 04:12 PM   #220 
     - Yes, gulfcoastliberal, the wolves are primed to gorge  4gabriella   Mar-19-10 08:06 PM   #249 
  - "Starting this year Americans with pre-existing conditions will be able to purchase health ins."  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 10:41 AM   #107 
  - yes they'll purchase but still be excluded till 2014  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-19-10 12:00 PM   #134 
  - Wrong.  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 01:10 PM   #143 
  - Guess not. nt  Lorien   Mar-19-10 02:04 PM   #157 
  - This is the "Get Out Of Dodge" clause  kenny blankenship   Mar-19-10 10:49 AM   #109 
  - Well then he must be lying  ipaint   Mar-19-10 11:18 AM   #122 
  - Sorry but with all the problems in this bill  humbled_opinion   Mar-19-10 11:44 AM   #124 
  - Think we need to change the name of this website ...  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 04:15 PM   #222 
  - Oh, this Bill will be historic, all right. But not in any good ways for the Democrats, incl. Obama.  WinkyDink   Mar-19-10 11:52 AM   #130 
  - Insurance companies got nearly everything they wanted  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-19-10 11:54 AM   #133 
  - More hanky-panky with the excise tax on employer-based insurance  seafan   Mar-19-10 12:04 PM   #135 
  - It is a betrayal of adults with pre-existing conditions,  kiva   Mar-19-10 12:06 PM   #137 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-19-10 12:26 PM   #139 
  - This bill is so unbelievably fascist in nature..I can't believe people support it.  krabigirl   Mar-19-10 12:28 PM   #140 
  - Great. So now the health care lobby has four years to gut it  KamaAina   Mar-19-10 12:34 PM   #141 
  - Again, our ideals are sacrificed.  seafan   Mar-19-10 01:10 PM   #142 
  - Aren't you going to correct the misinfo you posted seafan?  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 01:13 PM   #144 
  - I just watched a utube by Rachel Maddow where she said and  icee   Mar-19-10 01:50 PM   #150 
     - Clarification came today.  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 02:04 PM   #155 
        - I'll look for it.  icee   Mar-19-10 02:07 PM   #159 
           - Here you are my friend. See #12 specifically.  mzmolly   Mar-19-10 02:11 PM   #161 
              - Thank you.  icee   Mar-19-10 02:13 PM   #163 
                 - Pre-existing condition scam will be ended for Children . . .Adults four years from now!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 08:42 PM   #255 
  - +1000% . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 08:40 PM   #254 
  - You're just now finding out about this?  AngryOldDem   Mar-19-10 01:19 PM   #146 
  - It is beyond anything I have ever seen. This the kind of stuff you  icee   Mar-19-10 01:48 PM   #148 
  - The reconciliation bill ban goes into effect in six months  ProSense   Mar-19-10 02:04 PM   #156 
  - Granted, they will not longer be able to be completely dropped .. which is nice...  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 08:43 PM   #256 
  - Dear America ......  Stinky The Clown   Mar-19-10 02:25 PM   #164 
  - Dupe. Wrong place. nt  quiet.american   Mar-19-10 02:36 PM   #167 
  - It's this kind of screaming misinformation on DU that still has me shaking my head.  quiet.american   Mar-19-10 02:38 PM   #168 
  - Have you ever looked into high risk pool car insurance?  Stinky The Clown   Mar-19-10 02:51 PM   #170 
     - What I know is that there's $5 billion set aside for gov't subsidies for the risk pool  quiet.american   Mar-19-10 03:09 PM   #173 
        - Yeah, all you have to do is pay for it.  Stinky The Clown   Mar-19-10 03:22 PM   #177 
        - All I can say is, I hope you don't block yourself out of help that may be there for you.  quiet.american   Mar-19-10 03:41 PM   #194 
        - ...  Stinky The Clown   Mar-19-10 04:10 PM   #219 
        - $29,000 a year--!! And Obama is making private deals with insurance companies--!!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 08:47 PM   #259 
        - that's 5 billion to private disease management corporations! What an incredible rip-off!  nightrain   Mar-19-10 07:36 PM   #245 
        - These subsidies end up in the pockets of insurance companies...!!  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 08:46 PM   #258 
        - That's $5 billion of taxpayer money going to insurance companies . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 08:49 PM   #260 
           - exactly  Bluebear   Mar-20-10 02:03 AM   #265 
  - It has been known for months. Nothing new. It is in every single bill that was voted.  Mass   Mar-19-10 03:08 PM   #172 
  - Actually people are still not clear about it.  Bluebear   Mar-19-10 03:10 PM   #174 
     - It is very clear. People will be able to buy in high-pool risks that  Mass   Mar-19-10 03:13 PM   #175 
        - 'People will be able to buy in high-pool risks' - that highpool sounds expensive!  Bluebear   Mar-19-10 03:44 PM   #197 
  - Its NOT so simple, OR so bad, as Dr. Dean has explained.  elleng   Mar-19-10 03:18 PM   #176 
  - Much of this bill doesn't get implemented for 4-6 years, or longer.  Clear Blue Sky   Mar-19-10 03:26 PM   #181 
  - The "Bait & Switch Con" enters the final phase.  bvar22   Mar-19-10 03:37 PM   #187 
  - All this proves is that all of the people who are now expressing disappointment  grantcart   Mar-19-10 04:04 PM   #214 
  - Nice.....But when they all vote themselves a raise, it's instant. n/t  OhioChick   Mar-19-10 04:18 PM   #223 
  - NEWSFLASH: Deem & pass still planned AND don't have 51 votes in Senate for Reconcillation  SandWalker1984   Mar-19-10 04:40 PM   #224 
  - The Price Of Caving For Progressives  colsohlibgal   Mar-19-10 04:42 PM   #225 
  - K&R  Shining Jack   Mar-19-10 05:08 PM   #227 
  - fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail  Ed76638   Mar-19-10 05:17 PM   #228 
  - Also, fail.  Deep13   Mar-19-10 05:25 PM   #231 
  - Right . . . except we'll hear about the "WIN" no matter how crappy the bill is . ..  defendandprotect   Mar-19-10 08:57 PM   #262 
  - idiotic.  Bluebear   Mar-19-10 09:46 PM   #263 
  - Frankly, this deal is looking worse by the hour.  Deep13   Mar-19-10 05:20 PM   #229 
  - Subsidized High risk pool. Coverage for adults with pre-existing conditions until 2014.  quiet.american   Mar-19-10 06:37 PM   #236 
  - Excluded for four years? Unacceptable! Defeat the bill! I want them excluded *forever*! n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Mar-19-10 06:50 PM   #238 
  - Four Years From Now Sarah Palin will be President  humbled_opinion   Mar-19-10 07:06 PM   #241 
  - hmmmm So how many will die due to lack of health care by then?????????  BrklynLiberal   Mar-19-10 07:08 PM   #242 
  - None. They will have coverage until then.  quiet.american   Mar-19-10 07:40 PM   #247 
  - 4 years??? I hope we don't die before then....  Kip Humphrey   Mar-19-10 07:26 PM   #244 
  - ...and everyone is so surprised ?  stuart68   Mar-19-10 07:47 PM   #248 
  - LOL  troubledamerican   Mar-19-10 08:45 PM   #257 
  - We were played and fileted  upi402   Mar-20-10 12:30 AM   #264 
  - will Uncle Sam GARNISH our wages if we don't buy health insurance?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-21-10 03:24 PM   #272 
  - So an improvement is delayed 4 years  JustABozoOnThisBus   Mar-22-10 04:42 AM   #274 
     - They are put into a high risk pool, and the government will subsidize  FrenchieCat   Mar-22-10 04:46 AM   #275 
 

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