| -Robert Gibbs publicly admits a 4-year delay in implementing the adult preexisting condition rule. |
seafan |
Mar-18-10 07:42 PM |
#0 |
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"Admits" Dude, this has been out there for months. |
Schema Thing |
Mar-18-10 07:43 PM |
#1 |
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Yet, when some of us pointed that out, we were attacked by the pro-HCR gang |
Larkspur |
Mar-18-10 07:45 PM |
#4 |
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Gotta start somewhere though. |
PatrynXX |
Mar-19-10 02:08 PM |
#160 |
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Hey, be thankful for "lesser of evils" and . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:24 PM |
#179 |
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And "suffer the little children to come unto" whom, when their parents ... |
puebloknot |
Mar-20-10 02:27 PM |
#267 |
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its the anything for a bill mantra!! |
robinblue |
Mar-20-10 09:38 AM |
#266 |
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Or maybe Obama will show some balls and break out the SIGNING STATEMENTS! :D |
Ysabela |
Mar-22-10 04:20 AM |
#273 |
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I was "corrected" that this was not true only yesterday: |
Bluebear |
Mar-18-10 07:50 PM |
#13 |
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They are not allowed to tell us until the White House says so |
laughingliberal |
Mar-18-10 08:16 PM |
#39 |
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:NODDING: |
Bluebear |
Mar-18-10 08:32 PM |
#41 |
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2014 is an abomination. A total abomination. |
roguevalley |
Mar-18-10 10:11 PM |
#55 |
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+ 10. |
whathehell |
Mar-19-10 09:56 AM |
#98 |
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Actually, 2014 is simply the date when the presidency rotates back |
RaleighNCDUer |
Mar-19-10 03:40 PM |
#191 |
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In his big speech last Summer he told us to hold him accountable for this bill - |
pundaint |
Mar-19-10 04:02 PM |
#211 |
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That's insulting. |
ihavenobias |
Mar-19-10 06:15 PM |
#234 |
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+1 |
Bluebear |
Mar-19-10 08:34 PM |
#250 |
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It's not. nt |
quiet.american |
Mar-19-10 02:33 PM |
#165 |
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If by "out there" you mean whispered about on a few boards like this, I guess you could say that. |
whathehell |
Mar-19-10 09:43 AM |
#97 |
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By "out there" I mean "any semi-informed person has no excuse not to know it long ago" |
Schema Thing |
Mar-19-10 10:18 AM |
#102 |
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Gee...then judging from the posts here, there's a whole lot of Ignorant DUer's? |
whathehell |
Mar-19-10 11:19 AM |
#123 |
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Since when were all the details printed in the media? |
WinkyDink |
Mar-19-10 11:53 AM |
#132 |
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Howard Dean, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz and Michael Moore all confirmed that ... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:26 PM |
#180 |
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Come on . . . DLC'ers here have been trying to hide that monster . . .!!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:23 PM |
#178 |
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Well, it is 4 years less than NEVER!!!!! |
TheEuclideanOne |
Mar-19-10 03:49 PM |
#202 |
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Michael Moore was right. |
EFerrari |
Mar-18-10 07:44 PM |
#2 |
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Yes, he is. |
aquart |
Mar-18-10 08:02 PM |
#22 |
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The Supreme Court said, the Democrats don't have to care what we think. n/t |
EFerrari |
Mar-18-10 08:11 PM |
#32 |
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And they don't. |
pecwae |
Mar-19-10 06:03 AM |
#81 |
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I wish I could be directed to exactly where it states in the bill that individuals |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-19-10 10:57 AM |
#113 |
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Excellent point |
humbled_opinion |
Mar-19-10 06:58 PM |
#239 |
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If those controls don't exist, which are essential re: pre-existing conditions, then |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-19-10 07:13 PM |
#243 |
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What the bill says is that companies will be fined if they don't insure ppl with pre-existing cond |
rpannier |
Mar-20-10 07:44 PM |
#270 |
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So, it is still possible that the insured will have higher premiums as |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-21-10 10:24 AM |
#271 |
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Yeah. A going away party n/t |
gilpo |
Mar-19-10 01:18 PM |
#145 |
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+1 |
Echo In Light |
Mar-19-10 09:36 AM |
#95 |
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absolutely.nt |
Lorien |
Mar-19-10 02:00 PM |
#152 |
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Moore was factually wrong that people would have to wait four years for access to coverage. |
quiet.american |
Mar-19-10 03:05 PM |
#171 |
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"At long last, have you no sense of decency" ... ? The woman cannot afford the insurance!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:29 PM |
#182 |
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Just ridiculous. nt |
quiet.american |
Mar-19-10 03:36 PM |
#186 |
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This was known all along |
gravity |
Mar-18-10 07:45 PM |
#3 |
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They sure as hell CAN implement that rule before the mandate is in place. |
kestrel91316 |
Mar-18-10 07:52 PM |
#17 |
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California (and New York) |
Sgent |
Mar-19-10 02:34 PM |
#166 |
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This legislation also doesn't safeguard states against lawsuits if they want single payer!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:31 PM |
#183 |
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It shouldn't even be a part of this bill. We went to war in two |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-18-10 09:00 PM |
#42 |
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+1,000 and thank you. |
inna |
Mar-19-10 02:08 AM |
#69 |
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+10,000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-19-10 02:19 AM |
#71 |
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Yep. |
Lorien |
Mar-19-10 02:01 PM |
#153 |
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Thank you -- and 180,000 will die before 2014 according to Harvard Medical Research.... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:32 PM |
#184 |
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shaking head. |
Bluebear |
Mar-20-10 03:00 PM |
#268 |
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Perhaps it was known all along but, then again, there have been people saying it wasn't true |
laughingliberal |
Mar-18-10 09:22 PM |
#51 |
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"If you repeat a lie long enough" . .. |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:34 PM |
#185 |
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This was perfected during the Bush years. |
Gin Blossom |
Mar-19-10 06:06 PM |
#233 |
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You can't be fucking serious? |
pattmarty |
Mar-19-10 07:30 AM |
#83 |
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Wow I dont know whether to laugh at this comment |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Mar-19-10 01:40 PM |
#147 |
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I dont think they should make a mandate before they prove they have a fair system for all |
Oregone |
Mar-18-10 07:46 PM |
#5 |
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This isn't universal health care, everyone in, no one out -- it's a tiered-system . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:37 PM |
#188 |
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I think there is to e a hhigh risk pool set up to cover those people in the interim. |
napi21 |
Mar-18-10 07:46 PM |
#6 |
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Even so, I wonder just what the premiums will be for that "high risk" pool. |
Tansy_Gold |
Mar-18-10 07:49 PM |
#11 |
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Or the deducts. n/t |
Cleobulus |
Mar-18-10 07:50 PM |
#14 |
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Not really. I'm pretty sure the words, "out of reach" would cover it. nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-18-10 08:18 PM |
#40 |
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Texas currently has a "high risk" pool. That "insurance" |
ScreamingMeemie |
Mar-18-10 09:34 PM |
#54 |
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It will be similar to pools that already exist at the state level |
eridani |
Mar-19-10 02:04 AM |
#68 |
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It's "junk insurance" with no guarantees of care . . . and a government which doesn't care!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:39 PM |
#190 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-19-10 07:34 AM |
#84 |
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that's a bit much...eom |
Kolesar |
Mar-19-10 12:04 PM |
#136 |
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Another labeling of American citizens . . . "poor" and "high risk" ... !!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:38 PM |
#189 |
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At this point, I don't care anymore |
Xipe Totec |
Mar-18-10 07:46 PM |
# |
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Well you're wrong. This bill institutionalizes privatization into the system........ |
pattmarty |
Mar-19-10 07:37 AM |
#85 |
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Without it we're fucked anyway, so what difference does it make? |
Xipe Totec |
Mar-19-10 09:33 AM |
#94 |
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Well, why pass something that costs so much and actually will............. |
pattmarty |
Mar-19-10 09:36 AM |
#96 |
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Indeed. There will be no "do overs" |
Lorien |
Mar-19-10 02:03 PM |
#154 |
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They will NOT start over again if this passes . . . the new attacks will be |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:40 PM |
#192 |
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They will certainly not start over if it fails |
Xipe Totec |
Mar-19-10 04:59 PM |
#226 |
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while I thoroughly understand (and share) your frustration, I disagree . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Mar-19-10 05:47 PM |
#232 |
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The fact of the matter is, flawed though this bill might be, |
Xipe Totec |
Mar-19-10 07:38 PM |
#246 |
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Whereas, if it were a bank or corporation bailout, it would go into effect immediately. |
katandmoon |
Mar-18-10 07:46 PM |
#7 |
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Yes, those entities are apparantly already "in the system" |
Bluebear |
Mar-18-10 07:49 PM |
#12 |
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Yeah, just like "credit card reform", he gave them a fucking year................. |
pattmarty |
Mar-19-10 07:54 AM |
#87 |
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They got a Trillion Dollars to the Wall Street Bankers... |
bvar22 |
Mar-19-10 03:43 PM |
#196 |
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... don't forget war escalation. |
liberation |
Mar-19-10 10:41 AM |
#106 |
| -
And people think... |
sendero |
Mar-18-10 07:46 PM |
#8 |
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I hope with you. |
emilyg |
Mar-19-10 01:15 AM |
#61 |
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This bill will also be major opportunity for insurance companies to "game" it -- |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:41 PM |
#193 |
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As someone noted elsewhere, the elite like to play with their food before they eat it. nt |
valerief |
Mar-18-10 07:47 PM |
#9 |
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Doubletalk bullshit from the White House: |
Bluebear |
Mar-18-10 07:48 PM |
#10 |
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yep, can't make them do the right and moral thing until they can profit from it! nt |
boston bean |
Mar-18-10 07:54 PM |
#20 |
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I think the American voters were looking to Obama to do the "moral" thing here with |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:43 PM |
#195 |
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Oh wait the DLC types have been telling me all week that I want people to die |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-18-10 07:51 PM |
#15 |
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I heard the same crap lies yesterday: |
Bluebear |
Mar-18-10 07:52 PM |
#16 |
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You were right. And I was right. And everyone who has been telling us we were wrong was |
laughingliberal |
Mar-18-10 08:09 PM |
#29 |
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Be careful of WHO you're reading here . . . and there are 2500 pages in this bill... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:44 PM |
#198 |
| -
Oh, I already know who the "just pass the damn bill; never mind what's in it" crowd are |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-19-10 06:29 PM |
#235 |
| -
Okay . . .!!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 08:54 PM |
#261 |
| -
Take 2 aspirin (if you can afford them) and call me back in 4 years. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Mar-18-10 07:53 PM |
#18 |
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Meanwhile, pray away your cancer, HIV, diabetes, etc. |
Bluebear |
Mar-18-10 07:54 PM |
#19 |
| -
Well, they'll be calling us for our votes every year. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Mar-18-10 08:03 PM |
#24 |
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By which point the law will be amended to get allow the preexisting condition BS back anyway |
Posteritatis |
Mar-19-10 03:50 PM |
#203 |
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It will cover people 26 or less with pre-existing conditions, unfortunately not |
still_one |
Mar-18-10 07:55 PM |
#21 |
| -
The house bill had a 90 day provision, I hope it remains. However, the outrage seems |
mzmolly |
Mar-18-10 08:03 PM |
#23 |
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'Four years is better than NEVER.' - if you can last four years! |
Bluebear |
Mar-18-10 08:04 PM |
#25 |
| -
I'd like to see this provision immediately. But again the critique |
mzmolly |
Mar-18-10 08:09 PM |
#30 |
| -
They won't get the help after 4 years, either |
laughingliberal |
Mar-18-10 08:12 PM |
#34 |
| -
Or they'll be long dead. |
Bluebear |
Mar-18-10 08:15 PM |
#36 |
| -
That's what Limbaugh |
mzmolly |
Mar-18-10 08:16 PM |
#37 |
| -
I'm pretty sure Limbaugh is not on the same page as I |
laughingliberal |
Mar-18-10 09:07 PM |
#45 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Mar-18-10 09:13 PM |
#50 |
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notice |
dana_b |
Mar-19-10 02:29 AM |
#73 |
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You and your ilk are not saying wait, you're saying if I don't get my way |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 10:15 AM |
#100 |
| -
By "ilk" you mean your straw man argument? |
liberation |
Mar-19-10 10:47 AM |
#108 |
| -
Have you given up your own mediocre insurance coverage |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 10:52 AM |
#110 |
| -
Have your tried to make a point which does not depend on massive intellectual dishonesty |
liberation |
Mar-19-10 10:58 AM |
#114 |
| -
What's dishonest is suggesing that everyone else is ok without |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 11:00 AM |
#116 |
| -
Seriously, it is hard to keep up with the logical dissonance you are displaying... |
liberation |
Mar-19-10 11:08 AM |
#119 |
| -
Advocating for death of this bill, IS advocating that |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 11:15 AM |
#120 |
| -
This is complete and utter bullshit and disinformation. |
stranger81 |
Mar-19-10 02:39 PM |
#169 |
| -
If you can last? |
humbled_opinion |
Mar-19-10 11:47 AM |
#125 |
| -
And that's a deflection from the contingent that were claiming Moore was wrong |
EFerrari |
Mar-19-10 01:20 AM |
#63 |
| -
I'm not sure he's correct yet. The house bill has a 90 day wait written into it. |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 10:18 AM |
#101 |
| -
I hate to say "I told you so", but I told you so. |
pattmarty |
Mar-19-10 07:57 AM |
#89 |
| -
Yes . . . keep pushing the "lesser of evils" . . . !!! Yikes!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:45 PM |
#199 |
| -
how many will suffer because of this delay...? |
madrchsod |
Mar-18-10 08:05 PM |
#26 |
| -
someone must have the night off..... |
madrchsod |
Mar-18-10 08:06 PM |
#27 |
| -
i suspect |
amborin |
Mar-19-10 02:28 AM |
#72 |
| -
Yes thankfully reform may not pass and the four year wait for adults that people are bitching about |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 10:32 AM |
#105 |
| -
"reform" |
amborin |
Mar-19-10 11:16 AM |
#121 |
| -
No four year wait on pre-existing conditions. |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 11:49 AM |
#127 |
| -
well that's good to learn |
amborin |
Mar-19-10 05:20 PM |
#230 |
| -
Too many, if there is a four year delay. |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 10:31 AM |
#104 |
| -
180,000 will die according to Harvard Medical Research in the "GAP" . . .!!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:46 PM |
#200 |
| -
surprised they haven't used this BS reasoning for not regulating Wall St. |
optimator |
Mar-18-10 08:09 PM |
#28 |
| -
Oh just wait and see what the administration and the Senate Dems have in store for that! |
depakid |
Mar-19-10 02:49 AM |
#76 |
| -
Yeah, we'll have the same lockstep contingent of know nothings......... |
pattmarty |
Mar-19-10 08:03 AM |
#90 |
| -
Wars and corrupt capitalism/bank failures aren't to be disrupted!!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:47 PM |
#201 |
| -
This thing will pass due to the party twisting the rules, then there will be an avalanche of truth |
cherokeeprogressive |
Mar-18-10 08:11 PM |
#31 |
| -
That's what I'm thinking, too. They're going to stand there |
EFerrari |
Mar-18-10 08:13 PM |
#35 |
| -
There'll be so much spinning at that point we'll all need dramamine |
laughingliberal |
Mar-18-10 09:09 PM |
#47 |
| -
You can bet your bottom dollar that the details are where the Devil will be hiding |
cherokeeprogressive |
Mar-19-10 12:21 AM |
#60 |
| -
By passing and signing this POS, the Dems are handing the keys of Congress |
LibDemAlways |
Mar-19-10 02:39 AM |
#74 |
| -
Don't think they'll reveal the benefits for corporates...$300 billion taxpayer dollars ... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:51 PM |
#204 |
| -
This one issue alone should have bi-partsian approval. |
sellitman |
Mar-18-10 08:12 PM |
#33 |
| -
Obama has sold out on pre-existing conditions . . . MOBILIZE . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:51 PM |
#205 |
| -
" IMMEDIATE ACCESS TO INSURANCE FOR UNINSURED INDIVIDUALS WITH A PREEXISTING CONDITION" |
ProSense |
Mar-18-10 08:16 PM |
#38 |
| -
Depending on the condition and depending on their ability to pay |
ScreamingMeemie |
Mar-18-10 09:06 PM |
#44 |
| -
"This is not a win, this is not even a difference." Nonsense. n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-18-10 09:07 PM |
#46 |
| -
So how much is this temporary high risk pool going to cost? n/t |
Cleobulus |
Mar-18-10 09:10 PM |
#48 |
| -
It is going to do absolutely nothing for me and my illness. |
ScreamingMeemie |
Mar-18-10 09:23 PM |
#52 |
| -
I am very sorry for you :( |
Bluebear |
Mar-18-10 10:57 PM |
#58 |
| -
And depending on whether it will it will be cheaper for the insurance companies... |
misanthrope |
Mar-18-10 10:41 PM |
#57 |
| -
MOBILIZE . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:53 PM |
#206 |
| -
No, that's not a fact. That's the WH press release. n/t |
EFerrari |
Mar-19-10 01:21 AM |
#64 |
| -
Remember when we used to mock Freepers for citing |
Marr |
Mar-19-10 01:52 AM |
#66 |
| -
FYI - it's now fact. |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 10:56 AM |
#112 |
| -
No it's NOT a fact. Even the White House isn't trying to push that bullshit. n/t |
Raineyb |
Mar-19-10 11:49 AM |
#126 |
| -
"Starting this year Americans with pre-existing conditions will be able to purchase health ins." |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 11:49 AM |
#128 |
| -
Insurance companies can discriminate against those with preexisting conditions until |
Raineyb |
Mar-19-10 01:58 PM |
#151 |
| -
Which must be why the bill sets up a Governement structured plan |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 02:05 PM |
#158 |
| -
Well thank you very much. It may be as you say a "fact", but in the............ |
pattmarty |
Mar-19-10 08:10 AM |
#91 |
| -
With no public option what is the COST??? |
humbled_opinion |
Mar-19-10 11:52 AM |
#131 |
| -
Agree . . . and the attempts to fool the public go on and on . .. |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 03:57 PM |
#207 |
| -
Say it again, say it again |
humbled_opinion |
Mar-19-10 06:49 PM |
#237 |
| -
Agree with your analysis and how it will effect Medicare/Medicaid . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 08:34 PM |
#251 |
| -
And the coverage that begins after that will cost more than the average |
ScreamingMeemie |
Mar-18-10 09:05 PM |
#43 |
| -
OMG how many thousands of people are going to die and be on YOUR conscience Gibbs? |
ibegurpard |
Mar-18-10 09:12 PM |
#49 |
| -
Estimate by Harvard Medical Research is: 180,000 will die in the GAP to 2014... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 08:36 PM |
#252 |
| -
I am so sick of this crap in this Country I could scream. |
glinda |
Mar-18-10 09:31 PM |
#53 |
| -
There's still 2010 and 2012 . . . MOBILIZE . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 04:00 PM |
#208 |
| -
kick |
Bluebear |
Mar-18-10 10:39 PM |
#56 |
| -
The blowback from the scamming on this bill will ruin the party |
autorank |
Mar-18-10 11:10 PM |
#59 |
| -
you said it brother. |
Bluebear |
Mar-19-10 01:18 AM |
#62 |
| -
The last time I was this pissed it was when no one would stand up |
EFerrari |
Mar-19-10 01:23 AM |
#65 |
| -
Congressional Black Caucus was squelched |
upi402 |
Mar-19-10 02:16 AM |
#70 |
| -
And we have these "Corporate-Democrats" ignoring need to get rid of Computers. . .!!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 04:02 PM |
#210 |
| -
Letting them? |
Lilith Velkor |
Mar-19-10 01:57 AM |
#67 |
| -
by design |
autorank |
Mar-19-10 04:16 AM |
#78 |
| -
As far as Obama's "deals" long ago with insurance companies...it's been the plan!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 04:03 PM |
#212 |
| -
That's the point of DLC corporate destruction of the party ...dismantling it -- |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 04:01 PM |
#209 |
| -
+1 |
humbled_opinion |
Mar-19-10 07:00 PM |
#240 |
| -
Yet another thing people are just going to LOVE about the legislation! |
depakid |
Mar-19-10 02:48 AM |
#75 |
| -
You said it |
Bluebear |
Mar-19-10 03:28 AM |
#77 |
| -
The thing is |
pecwae |
Mar-19-10 06:13 AM |
#82 |
| -
Purposeful demoralizing of those who support the former ideals of the Democratic Party!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 04:04 PM |
#213 |
| -
If they could get this implemented earlier |
Proud Liberal Dem |
Mar-19-10 05:38 AM |
#79 |
| -
Let Them Eat Cake. |
Political Heretic |
Mar-19-10 05:42 AM |
#80 |
| -
What the Dems have succeeded in doing with this bill is putting................. |
pattmarty |
Mar-19-10 07:43 AM |
#86 |
| -
Exactly what Howard Dean said: "It's not HC Reform" . .."It's a Romney-type plan" . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 04:05 PM |
#215 |
| -
This is the height of hyperbole here. So the largest expenditure on the poor and sick |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-19-10 07:55 AM |
#88 |
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It's not the largest expenditure on the poor and sick. It's a huge transfer |
nightrain |
Mar-19-10 08:27 AM |
#93 |
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Keep in mind that PER PERSON we pay what the Swiss pay for their luxurious . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 04:08 PM |
#216 |
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I don't think that "hyperbole" means what you want it to mean... |
liberation |
Mar-19-10 11:02 AM |
#118 |
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These people are going to be forced to buy "junk" insurance .. . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 04:09 PM |
#218 |
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K&R |
muffin1 |
Mar-19-10 08:11 AM |
#92 |
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Unrec - anybody who doesn't know this is a moron |
HughMoran |
Mar-19-10 10:12 AM |
#99 |
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that's your defense? |
Skittles |
Mar-19-10 10:55 AM |
#111 |
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It would be funny if wasn't so pathetic. |
Forkboy |
Mar-19-10 11:00 AM |
#115 |
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Whats your defense for not reading the bill? |
grantcart |
Mar-19-10 04:09 PM |
#217 |
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I have read the bill |
Skittles |
Mar-20-10 05:52 PM |
#269 |
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Where would DU be without your grand knowledge? |
Forkboy |
Mar-19-10 11:01 AM |
#117 |
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And yet when people make the argument that people with preexisting conditions |
Raineyb |
Mar-19-10 11:51 AM |
#129 |
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Well, you must be anti-Obama and want the Republicans to win to be posting this |
AllyCat |
Mar-19-10 10:27 AM |
#103 |
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Just wait till Obama's panel gets its claws around social security & medicare. |
gulfcoastliberal |
Mar-19-10 12:15 PM |
#138 |
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I never expected it would be the DEMS that would smoke the working class |
AllyCat |
Mar-19-10 01:49 PM |
#149 |
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Isn't it outrageous how Obama is all for privatizing public education?! Sadly the DLC has succeeded |
gulfcoastliberal |
Mar-19-10 02:12 PM |
#162 |
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DLC-corporate wing has taken over the party . . .could it be more obvious? |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 04:13 PM |
#221 |
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Well, it's been discussed and I've suspected, but never thought Obama would go this low!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 08:38 PM |
#253 |
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True . . . Obama makes clear the LEFT is OUT . . . that's women's issues ... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 04:12 PM |
#220 |
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Yes, gulfcoastliberal, the wolves are primed to gorge |
4gabriella |
Mar-19-10 08:06 PM |
#249 |
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"Starting this year Americans with pre-existing conditions will be able to purchase health ins." |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 10:41 AM |
#107 |
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yes they'll purchase but still be excluded till 2014 |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Mar-19-10 12:00 PM |
#134 |
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Wrong. |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 01:10 PM |
#143 |
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Guess not. nt |
Lorien |
Mar-19-10 02:04 PM |
#157 |
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This is the "Get Out Of Dodge" clause |
kenny blankenship |
Mar-19-10 10:49 AM |
#109 |
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Well then he must be lying |
ipaint |
Mar-19-10 11:18 AM |
#122 |
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Sorry but with all the problems in this bill |
humbled_opinion |
Mar-19-10 11:44 AM |
#124 |
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Think we need to change the name of this website ... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 04:15 PM |
#222 |
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Oh, this Bill will be historic, all right. But not in any good ways for the Democrats, incl. Obama. |
WinkyDink |
Mar-19-10 11:52 AM |
#130 |
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Insurance companies got nearly everything they wanted |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Mar-19-10 11:54 AM |
#133 |
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More hanky-panky with the excise tax on employer-based insurance |
seafan |
Mar-19-10 12:04 PM |
#135 |
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It is a betrayal of adults with pre-existing conditions, |
kiva |
Mar-19-10 12:06 PM |
#137 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Mar-19-10 12:26 PM |
#139 |
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This bill is so unbelievably fascist in nature..I can't believe people support it. |
krabigirl |
Mar-19-10 12:28 PM |
#140 |
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Great. So now the health care lobby has four years to gut it |
KamaAina |
Mar-19-10 12:34 PM |
#141 |
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Again, our ideals are sacrificed. |
seafan |
Mar-19-10 01:10 PM |
#142 |
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Aren't you going to correct the misinfo you posted seafan? |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 01:13 PM |
#144 |
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I just watched a utube by Rachel Maddow where she said and |
icee |
Mar-19-10 01:50 PM |
#150 |
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Clarification came today. |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 02:04 PM |
#155 |
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I'll look for it. |
icee |
Mar-19-10 02:07 PM |
#159 |
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Here you are my friend. See #12 specifically. |
mzmolly |
Mar-19-10 02:11 PM |
#161 |
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Thank you. |
icee |
Mar-19-10 02:13 PM |
#163 |
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Pre-existing condition scam will be ended for Children . . .Adults four years from now!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 08:42 PM |
#255 |
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+1000% . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 08:40 PM |
#254 |
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You're just now finding out about this? |
AngryOldDem |
Mar-19-10 01:19 PM |
#146 |
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It is beyond anything I have ever seen. This the kind of stuff you |
icee |
Mar-19-10 01:48 PM |
#148 |
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The reconciliation bill ban goes into effect in six months |
ProSense |
Mar-19-10 02:04 PM |
#156 |
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Granted, they will not longer be able to be completely dropped .. which is nice... |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 08:43 PM |
#256 |
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Dear America ...... |
Stinky The Clown |
Mar-19-10 02:25 PM |
#164 |
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Dupe. Wrong place. nt |
quiet.american |
Mar-19-10 02:36 PM |
#167 |
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It's this kind of screaming misinformation on DU that still has me shaking my head. |
quiet.american |
Mar-19-10 02:38 PM |
#168 |
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Have you ever looked into high risk pool car insurance? |
Stinky The Clown |
Mar-19-10 02:51 PM |
#170 |
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What I know is that there's $5 billion set aside for gov't subsidies for the risk pool |
quiet.american |
Mar-19-10 03:09 PM |
#173 |
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Yeah, all you have to do is pay for it. |
Stinky The Clown |
Mar-19-10 03:22 PM |
#177 |
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All I can say is, I hope you don't block yourself out of help that may be there for you. |
quiet.american |
Mar-19-10 03:41 PM |
#194 |
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... |
Stinky The Clown |
Mar-19-10 04:10 PM |
#219 |
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$29,000 a year--!! And Obama is making private deals with insurance companies--!!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 08:47 PM |
#259 |
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that's 5 billion to private disease management corporations! What an incredible rip-off! |
nightrain |
Mar-19-10 07:36 PM |
#245 |
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These subsidies end up in the pockets of insurance companies...!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 08:46 PM |
#258 |
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That's $5 billion of taxpayer money going to insurance companies . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 08:49 PM |
#260 |
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exactly |
Bluebear |
Mar-20-10 02:03 AM |
#265 |
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It has been known for months. Nothing new. It is in every single bill that was voted. |
Mass |
Mar-19-10 03:08 PM |
#172 |
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Actually people are still not clear about it. |
Bluebear |
Mar-19-10 03:10 PM |
#174 |
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It is very clear. People will be able to buy in high-pool risks that |
Mass |
Mar-19-10 03:13 PM |
#175 |
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'People will be able to buy in high-pool risks' - that highpool sounds expensive! |
Bluebear |
Mar-19-10 03:44 PM |
#197 |
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Its NOT so simple, OR so bad, as Dr. Dean has explained. |
elleng |
Mar-19-10 03:18 PM |
#176 |
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Much of this bill doesn't get implemented for 4-6 years, or longer. |
Clear Blue Sky |
Mar-19-10 03:26 PM |
#181 |
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The "Bait & Switch Con" enters the final phase. |
bvar22 |
Mar-19-10 03:37 PM |
#187 |
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All this proves is that all of the people who are now expressing disappointment |
grantcart |
Mar-19-10 04:04 PM |
#214 |
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Nice.....But when they all vote themselves a raise, it's instant. n/t |
OhioChick |
Mar-19-10 04:18 PM |
#223 |
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NEWSFLASH: Deem & pass still planned AND don't have 51 votes in Senate for Reconcillation |
SandWalker1984 |
Mar-19-10 04:40 PM |
#224 |
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The Price Of Caving For Progressives |
colsohlibgal |
Mar-19-10 04:42 PM |
#225 |
| -
K&R |
Shining Jack |
Mar-19-10 05:08 PM |
#227 |
| -
fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail |
Ed76638 |
Mar-19-10 05:17 PM |
#228 |
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Also, fail. |
Deep13 |
Mar-19-10 05:25 PM |
#231 |
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Right . . . except we'll hear about the "WIN" no matter how crappy the bill is . .. |
defendandprotect |
Mar-19-10 08:57 PM |
#262 |
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idiotic. |
Bluebear |
Mar-19-10 09:46 PM |
#263 |
| -
Frankly, this deal is looking worse by the hour. |
Deep13 |
Mar-19-10 05:20 PM |
#229 |
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Subsidized High risk pool. Coverage for adults with pre-existing conditions until 2014. |
quiet.american |
Mar-19-10 06:37 PM |
#236 |
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Excluded for four years? Unacceptable! Defeat the bill! I want them excluded *forever*! n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Mar-19-10 06:50 PM |
#238 |
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Four Years From Now Sarah Palin will be President |
humbled_opinion |
Mar-19-10 07:06 PM |
#241 |
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hmmmm So how many will die due to lack of health care by then????????? |
BrklynLiberal |
Mar-19-10 07:08 PM |
#242 |
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None. They will have coverage until then. |
quiet.american |
Mar-19-10 07:40 PM |
#247 |
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4 years??? I hope we don't die before then.... |
Kip Humphrey |
Mar-19-10 07:26 PM |
#244 |
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...and everyone is so surprised ? |
stuart68 |
Mar-19-10 07:47 PM |
#248 |
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LOL |
troubledamerican |
Mar-19-10 08:45 PM |
#257 |
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We were played and fileted |
upi402 |
Mar-20-10 12:30 AM |
#264 |
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will Uncle Sam GARNISH our wages if we don't buy health insurance? |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Mar-21-10 03:24 PM |
#272 |
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So an improvement is delayed 4 years |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Mar-22-10 04:42 AM |
#274 |
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They are put into a high risk pool, and the government will subsidize |
FrenchieCat |
Mar-22-10 04:46 AM |
#275 |
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