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121. He thinks anything that helps humans is wrong minded. He only cares about corporations n/t
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  -"We WIN" On HC Reform! ihavenobias  Mar-18-10 01:43 PM   #0 
  - People will soon forget what you are now saying.  county worker   Mar-18-10 01:45 PM   #1 
  - Hopefully you are right, and all this misinformation and wrong minded positions  NJmaverick   Mar-18-10 01:50 PM   #4 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-18-10 02:17 PM   #19 
  - You call wanting single payer wrong minded? You call wanting PO wrong minded?  rhett o rick   Mar-18-10 04:47 PM   #54 
     - He thinks anything that helps humans is wrong minded. He only cares about corporations n/t  Raineyb   Mar-19-10 11:41 AM   #121 
        - Some people are of the opinion that the only requirement for something to be correct...  liberation   Mar-19-10 12:44 PM   #131 
  - A Standing Exhibit of the Fraud, Colllusion, Bribery and Extortion ...  theFrankFactor   Mar-18-10 03:16 PM   #43 
  - Until they get arround to noticing that nothing whatsoever has changed  eridani   Mar-18-10 06:33 PM   #61 
  - when I'm forced to buy a shitty product that gives me zip in return  northernlights   Mar-20-10 02:12 AM   #146 
  - This is a bad as the nonsensical dated poll you posted  NJmaverick   Mar-18-10 01:50 PM   #2 
  - 2 Things  ihavenobias   Mar-18-10 02:07 PM   #15 
  - No, having your opponent grow tired of your misguided and wrong minded rebuttals is  NJmaverick   Mar-18-10 02:33 PM   #25 
     - I'd like to know that also. Do you support Single Payer or  sabrina 1   Mar-18-10 08:27 PM   #77 
        - Unless that's a nickname for the "O" I am gonna say no on both counts.  Mithreal   Mar-19-10 12:53 AM   #95 
           - I call that "trickle down" politics....  liberation   Mar-19-10 12:49 PM   #133 
  - Just one question. Do you or dont you support single payer. nm  rhett o rick   Mar-18-10 04:50 PM   #55 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-18-10 07:04 PM   #70 
  - Crickets. n/t  ihavenobias   Mar-20-10 02:17 PM   #147 
  - Actually, there are insurance industry reps on the TV supporting the mandate  Capitalocracy   Mar-18-10 05:26 PM   #57 
  - The 2nd sentence is not true  rpannier   Mar-18-10 11:25 PM   #90 
     - Insurance execs pleasure themselves gambling with patient lives.  Mithreal   Mar-19-10 01:01 AM   #97 
     - Psychopaths don't consider themselves evil either  nightgaunt   Mar-19-10 12:42 PM   #130 
     - Will be covered...  Greyhound   Mar-19-10 04:26 AM   #111 
     - And what do these people do............  SergeStorms   Mar-19-10 11:21 AM   #118 
  - K & R thank you Tom when you get a chance take a look at this post also  democracy1st   Mar-18-10 01:50 PM   #3 
  - Watch for Dems to pat themselves on the backs for  johnlal   Mar-18-10 01:53 PM   #5 
  - The Progressive Caucus may pat themselves on their backs, but the Blue Dogs and republicans  pampango   Mar-18-10 01:59 PM   #10 
  - Exactly the opposite  kenfrequed   Mar-19-10 11:48 AM   #122 
     - That's my fear. n/t  ihavenobias   Mar-19-10 11:44 PM   #143 
  - Very good point. nt  Lorien   Mar-18-10 01:59 PM   #11 
  - The whole process has been a dog and pony show.  Individualist   Mar-18-10 04:35 PM   #53 
  - Actually, they're very serious about reform . . . but corporations are the beneficiaries  The Hope Mobile   Mar-18-10 07:51 PM   #74 
  - Well, let's be honest here - the whole thing about "reform" is that it is just  truedelphi   Mar-19-10 02:50 AM   #110 
  - K & R  Nikki Stone1   Mar-18-10 01:55 PM   #6 
  - Very good info! Thanks for posting! K&R  20score   Mar-18-10 01:56 PM   #7 
  - It is not about winning or losing.  RandomThoughts   Mar-18-10 01:56 PM   #8 
  - K & R for the painful truth  Lorien   Mar-18-10 01:58 PM   #9 
  - There was a thread mocking the win of Health Care reform  quinnox   Mar-18-10 02:00 PM   #12 
  - I guess those people with pre-existing conditions who the insurers can't drop  TZ   Mar-18-10 02:01 PM   #13 
  - By all those people I guess you mean me and my GF (we have pre-existing conditions).  ihavenobias   Mar-18-10 02:09 PM   #17 
  - My husband and I also. But we can't afford the premiums  laughingliberal   Mar-18-10 03:03 PM   #37 
  - We had momentum to see every person's life was treated this way  Mithreal   Mar-18-10 02:25 PM   #20 
  - Yes, they are losers. The useless murdering intermediaries will price them out of the market  eridani   Mar-18-10 06:37 PM   #62 
  - except for the folks with pre-existing conditions who DIE before it kicks in  havocmom   Mar-18-10 08:38 PM   #78 
     - Bingo...and the fact the pool is priced so high as to drown in.  ScreamingMeemie   Mar-19-10 01:33 AM   #105 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Mar-18-10 02:05 PM   #14 
  - The alternative to this bill is nothing but the vain hope that a better bill will come.  BurtWorm   Mar-18-10 02:09 PM   #16 
  - I addressed this in detail yesterday.  ihavenobias   Mar-18-10 02:11 PM   #18 
  - I see no reason why I should believe your vision of the future over anyone else's.  BurtWorm   Mar-18-10 02:31 PM   #24 
     - Yes, let's go back to the 90's.  ihavenobias   Mar-18-10 02:37 PM   #28 
     - Apples and oranges.  BurtWorm   Mar-18-10 03:04 PM   #38 
        - A bunch of rotten apples and oranges.  ihavenobias   Mar-18-10 03:10 PM   #40 
        - It's too late to 'start with single payer.'  BurtWorm   Mar-18-10 03:14 PM   #42 
           - Right, but I'm talking about motives and or horrible politics.  ihavenobias   Mar-18-10 03:16 PM   #44 
              - What will the establishment love that is a real benefit to the people?  BurtWorm   Mar-18-10 03:18 PM   #45 
                 - Motives.  ihavenobias   Mar-18-10 04:34 PM   #52 
        - I don't think the bill passing or not passing  obxhead   Mar-19-10 12:59 AM   #96 
           - If they 'win' this, it might give them some confidence and appetite to win some more.  BurtWorm   Mar-19-10 09:41 AM   #112 
     - I think you are wrong. I think that if this bill passes without  sabrina 1   Mar-19-10 01:44 AM   #109 
     - The Republicans are clearly not finished.  BurtWorm   Mar-19-10 10:37 AM   #113 
        - Did the Republicans win in 2006 or 2008, after the base  sabrina 1   Mar-19-10 03:10 PM   #141 
           - I don't think the base left the Republicans. They just never do.  BurtWorm   Mar-19-10 04:20 PM   #142 
     - The price of losing?  kenfrequed   Mar-19-10 11:52 AM   #123 
        - Is Kucinich a DLC/Blue Dog?  BurtWorm   Mar-19-10 12:05 PM   #125 
           - Well which is it?  kenfrequed   Mar-19-10 12:10 PM   #128 
              - The waters are muddy. That is my point.  BurtWorm   Mar-19-10 12:45 PM   #132 
                 - Nuts.  kenfrequed   Mar-19-10 01:23 PM   #139 
                    - Can you hold more than one thought in your head? Maybe not.  BurtWorm   Mar-19-10 01:42 PM   #140 
  - Bogus - alternative is nothing claims.  Mithreal   Mar-18-10 02:28 PM   #22 
  - Help me, then: What is the something that is the alternative?  BurtWorm   Mar-18-10 02:38 PM   # 
  - It's how you framed your argument that led to the weak positioning.  Mithreal   Mar-18-10 03:05 PM   #39 
     - It better not be over.  BurtWorm   Mar-18-10 03:20 PM   #46 
        - indeed  Mithreal   Mar-18-10 03:38 PM   #48 
  - X  BurtWorm   Mar-18-10 02:38 PM   #29 
  - It is passing it that will defeat us in November n/t  eridani   Mar-18-10 06:39 PM   #63 
  - all part of the plan. Both sides can complain to voters "we can't, we aren't in power"  havocmom   Mar-18-10 08:42 PM   #80 
  - Can you explain the logic of that?  BurtWorm   Mar-18-10 09:57 PM   #86 
     - It is based on Obama's very effective 2008 campaign in which he ran on opposing mandates  eridani   Mar-20-10 12:55 AM   #145 
  - The logical dissonance is strong with this one...  liberation   Mar-19-10 12:50 PM   #134 
     - I don't follow you.  BurtWorm   Mar-19-10 12:58 PM   #136 
  - K&R excellent OP  amborin   Mar-18-10 02:27 PM   #21 
  - ihavenobias tells it like it is  Wetzelbill   Mar-18-10 02:29 PM   #23 
  - K&R even though your name bugs me ;)  Political Heretic   Mar-18-10 02:34 PM   #26 
  - Apparently you never read my profile!  ihavenobias   Mar-18-10 02:38 PM   #30 
     - I am the master of "see what you expect to see"....! -  tbyg52   Mar-18-10 06:43 PM   #66 
     - Haha I hadn't! :)  Political Heretic   Mar-18-10 09:51 PM   #84 
  - Thanks.  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-18-10 02:36 PM   #27 
  - I know that both parties have corporate influence, and..  mvd   Mar-18-10 02:42 PM   #31 
  - Which is why I understand Kucinich changing his vote -  RaleighNCDUer   Mar-18-10 03:03 PM   #36 
  - Same here  laughingliberal   Mar-18-10 11:47 PM   #93 
     - You weren't supposed to be watching. He was playing to his audience.  Mithreal   Mar-19-10 01:30 AM   #102 
        - Evan Bayh deserves considerable blame  kenfrequed   Mar-19-10 12:08 PM   #127 
           - Plouffe: Obama's Veep Pick 'Coin Toss' Between Biden And Bayh  Mithreal   Mar-19-10 12:56 PM   #135 
              - Even scarier.  kenfrequed   Mar-19-10 01:16 PM   #138 
  - Agreed, I believe most of us knew our vote was being cast for a better SCOTUS if nothing else.  Mithreal   Mar-19-10 01:09 AM   #99 
  - +1  pleah   Mar-18-10 02:48 PM   #32 
  - +1  Individualist   Mar-18-10 06:15 PM   #60 
  - K&R  pleah   Mar-18-10 02:48 PM   #33 
  - "I have rejected a whole bunch of provisions that the left wanted" - Barack Obama  FiveGoodMen   Mar-18-10 02:50 PM   #34 
  - K&R. The pharmaceutical companies win as well.  Individualist   Mar-18-10 03:02 PM   #35 
  - K & R nt  Raine   Mar-18-10 03:12 PM   #41 
  - Everyone knows who wins.  pecwae   Mar-18-10 03:21 PM   #47 
  - K&R. Who "wins?" With what's on the table, I know it's not gonna be me...  Rhiannon12866   Mar-18-10 03:57 PM   #49 
  - K&R  Eyerish   Mar-18-10 04:03 PM   #50 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Mar-18-10 04:03 PM   #51 
  - When I can get to see a doctor  DearAbby   Mar-18-10 04:51 PM   #56 
  - At the risk of sounding like a broken record  ihavenobias   Mar-18-10 05:40 PM   #58 
  - Good Luck.  bvar22   Mar-18-10 06:05 PM   #59 
     - And good night.  truedelphi   Mar-18-10 06:40 PM   #65 
  - Interesting how if this bill is such a "win" for the health insurance companies, they are still  4lbs   Mar-18-10 06:39 PM   #64 
  - Are they? I sure haven't seen any "Dick and Jane" ads (or whatever the name of that couple was)  tbyg52   Mar-18-10 06:47 PM   #67 
  - They are using the U.S. Chamber of Commerce so their names aren't attached.  4lbs   Mar-18-10 06:52 PM   #69 
  - That's called lobbying. They can always argue for a little more.  Marr   Mar-19-10 01:33 AM   #104 
     - As I said, that's because they hide behind other groups that they fund extremely well.  4lbs   Mar-19-10 12:07 PM   #126 
  - They've been on board the whole time  mwrguy   Mar-18-10 07:58 PM   #75 
  - They've fought it to win numerous concessions.  ihavenobias   Mar-18-10 06:48 PM   #68 
  - Yeah, it's a lose-lose for the regular people. nt  tbyg52   Mar-18-10 07:18 PM   #72 
  - If you're the most despised entity, how do you get what you want?  Uncle Joe   Mar-18-10 07:15 PM   #71 
     - Bingo. nt  tbyg52   Mar-18-10 07:45 PM   #73 
  - Too late to rec??? Where's this thread been???? kick . . .  defendandprotect   Mar-18-10 08:23 PM   #76 
  - a big K&R here....too tired and mostly too sickened to write anything else  bread_and_roses   Mar-18-10 08:42 PM   #79 
  - I'm not surprised by  Cha   Mar-18-10 08:58 PM   #81 
  - I'm not pushing anything and I very sincerely hope I'm wrong about this bill.  ihavenobias   Mar-18-10 09:01 PM   #82 
  - K & R Fuck the Corporatist !  SlingBlade   Mar-18-10 09:02 PM   #83 
  - Bullshit...  MellowDem   Mar-18-10 09:54 PM   #85 
  - Sorry, but you're pretty much wrong  ProudDad   Mar-18-10 10:25 PM   #88 
  - According to you...  MellowDem   Mar-18-10 10:53 PM   #89 
     - Why call it a conspiracy, when con job will do?  Mithreal   Mar-18-10 11:47 PM   #92 
     - That's EXACTLY what happened!  Capitalocracy   Mar-19-10 01:09 AM   #98 
     - But insurance companies know...  MellowDem   Mar-19-10 10:51 AM   #114 
        - The "health" insurance corporations also know death by a thousand cuts.  Uncle Joe   Mar-19-10 11:36 AM   #119 
     - I believe the saying goes  obxhead   Mar-19-10 01:12 AM   #100 
  - Ridiculously wrong. When you squeezed all the juice out of the orange, whatya gonna do?  Mithreal   Mar-18-10 11:42 PM   #91 
  - If the insurance companies...  MellowDem   Mar-19-10 10:57 AM   #115 
     - We just backstopped the profits.  Mithreal   Mar-19-10 01:02 PM   #137 
  - A mandate that everyone buy their products and government subsidies are a hell of a lot better than  Marr   Mar-19-10 01:39 AM   #107 
     - What goverment subsidies?  MellowDem   Mar-19-10 11:04 AM   #116 
  - You do realize that...  ProudDad   Mar-18-10 10:21 PM   #87 
  - +1  area51   Mar-19-10 11:58 AM   #124 
  - Lots of good points. n/t  ihavenobias   Mar-22-10 01:24 AM   #148 
  - Definition of Fascism  Citizen Worker   Mar-18-10 11:56 PM   #94 
  - Gotta love private taxes.  Mithreal   Mar-19-10 01:32 AM   #103 
  - Yep. If GW Bush had done this, the very people cheering now would've gone apeshit.  Marr   Mar-19-10 01:42 AM   #108 
  - Hear, hear!  Individualist   Mar-19-10 11:40 AM   #120 
  - well, the White House has been firmly on their side  Skittles   Mar-19-10 01:19 AM   #101 
  - Put on a good show though. Running the clock out.  Mithreal   Mar-19-10 01:35 AM   #106 
  - Americans  ProSense   Mar-19-10 11:21 AM   #117 
  - That statement by Obama leaves me cold  florida08   Mar-19-10 12:32 PM   #129 
  - so true. Insurance companies will make a killing off of this  WillYourVoteBCounted   Mar-19-10 11:52 PM   #144 
 

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