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Fri Mar-19-10 01:33 AM
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| 104. That's called lobbying. They can always argue for a little more. |
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Edited on Fri Mar-19-10 01:37 AM by Marr
C'mon. They have not been trying to block this bill. I haven't seen an insurance industry anti-HCR advertisement for months and months. I haven't even seen their more prominent lobbyists on television for a long time, come to think of it.
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| -"We WIN" On HC Reform! |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 01:43 PM |
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People will soon forget what you are now saying. |
county worker |
Mar-18-10 01:45 PM |
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Hopefully you are right, and all this misinformation and wrong minded positions |
NJmaverick |
Mar-18-10 01:50 PM |
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Mar-18-10 02:17 PM |
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You call wanting single payer wrong minded? You call wanting PO wrong minded? |
rhett o rick |
Mar-18-10 04:47 PM |
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He thinks anything that helps humans is wrong minded. He only cares about corporations n/t |
Raineyb |
Mar-19-10 11:41 AM |
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Some people are of the opinion that the only requirement for something to be correct... |
liberation |
Mar-19-10 12:44 PM |
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A Standing Exhibit of the Fraud, Colllusion, Bribery and Extortion ... |
theFrankFactor |
Mar-18-10 03:16 PM |
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Until they get arround to noticing that nothing whatsoever has changed |
eridani |
Mar-18-10 06:33 PM |
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when I'm forced to buy a shitty product that gives me zip in return |
northernlights |
Mar-20-10 02:12 AM |
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This is a bad as the nonsensical dated poll you posted |
NJmaverick |
Mar-18-10 01:50 PM |
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2 Things |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 02:07 PM |
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No, having your opponent grow tired of your misguided and wrong minded rebuttals is |
NJmaverick |
Mar-18-10 02:33 PM |
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I'd like to know that also. Do you support Single Payer or |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-18-10 08:27 PM |
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Unless that's a nickname for the "O" I am gonna say no on both counts. |
Mithreal |
Mar-19-10 12:53 AM |
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I call that "trickle down" politics.... |
liberation |
Mar-19-10 12:49 PM |
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Just one question. Do you or dont you support single payer. nm |
rhett o rick |
Mar-18-10 04:50 PM |
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Mar-18-10 07:04 PM |
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Crickets. n/t |
ihavenobias |
Mar-20-10 02:17 PM |
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Actually, there are insurance industry reps on the TV supporting the mandate |
Capitalocracy |
Mar-18-10 05:26 PM |
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The 2nd sentence is not true |
rpannier |
Mar-18-10 11:25 PM |
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Insurance execs pleasure themselves gambling with patient lives. |
Mithreal |
Mar-19-10 01:01 AM |
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Psychopaths don't consider themselves evil either |
nightgaunt |
Mar-19-10 12:42 PM |
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Will be covered... |
Greyhound |
Mar-19-10 04:26 AM |
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And what do these people do............ |
SergeStorms |
Mar-19-10 11:21 AM |
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K & R thank you Tom when you get a chance take a look at this post also |
democracy1st |
Mar-18-10 01:50 PM |
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Watch for Dems to pat themselves on the backs for |
johnlal |
Mar-18-10 01:53 PM |
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The Progressive Caucus may pat themselves on their backs, but the Blue Dogs and republicans |
pampango |
Mar-18-10 01:59 PM |
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Exactly the opposite |
kenfrequed |
Mar-19-10 11:48 AM |
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That's my fear. n/t |
ihavenobias |
Mar-19-10 11:44 PM |
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Very good point. nt |
Lorien |
Mar-18-10 01:59 PM |
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The whole process has been a dog and pony show. |
Individualist |
Mar-18-10 04:35 PM |
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Actually, they're very serious about reform . . . but corporations are the beneficiaries |
The Hope Mobile |
Mar-18-10 07:51 PM |
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Well, let's be honest here - the whole thing about "reform" is that it is just |
truedelphi |
Mar-19-10 02:50 AM |
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K & R |
Nikki Stone1 |
Mar-18-10 01:55 PM |
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Very good info! Thanks for posting! K&R |
20score |
Mar-18-10 01:56 PM |
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It is not about winning or losing. |
RandomThoughts |
Mar-18-10 01:56 PM |
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K & R for the painful truth |
Lorien |
Mar-18-10 01:58 PM |
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There was a thread mocking the win of Health Care reform |
quinnox |
Mar-18-10 02:00 PM |
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I guess those people with pre-existing conditions who the insurers can't drop |
TZ |
Mar-18-10 02:01 PM |
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By all those people I guess you mean me and my GF (we have pre-existing conditions). |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 02:09 PM |
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My husband and I also. But we can't afford the premiums |
laughingliberal |
Mar-18-10 03:03 PM |
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We had momentum to see every person's life was treated this way |
Mithreal |
Mar-18-10 02:25 PM |
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Yes, they are losers. The useless murdering intermediaries will price them out of the market |
eridani |
Mar-18-10 06:37 PM |
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except for the folks with pre-existing conditions who DIE before it kicks in |
havocmom |
Mar-18-10 08:38 PM |
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Bingo...and the fact the pool is priced so high as to drown in. |
ScreamingMeemie |
Mar-19-10 01:33 AM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-18-10 02:05 PM |
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The alternative to this bill is nothing but the vain hope that a better bill will come. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-18-10 02:09 PM |
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I addressed this in detail yesterday. |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 02:11 PM |
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I see no reason why I should believe your vision of the future over anyone else's. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-18-10 02:31 PM |
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Yes, let's go back to the 90's. |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 02:37 PM |
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Apples and oranges. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-18-10 03:04 PM |
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A bunch of rotten apples and oranges. |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 03:10 PM |
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It's too late to 'start with single payer.' |
BurtWorm |
Mar-18-10 03:14 PM |
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Right, but I'm talking about motives and or horrible politics. |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 03:16 PM |
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What will the establishment love that is a real benefit to the people? |
BurtWorm |
Mar-18-10 03:18 PM |
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Motives. |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 04:34 PM |
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I don't think the bill passing or not passing |
obxhead |
Mar-19-10 12:59 AM |
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If they 'win' this, it might give them some confidence and appetite to win some more. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-19-10 09:41 AM |
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I think you are wrong. I think that if this bill passes without |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-19-10 01:44 AM |
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The Republicans are clearly not finished. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-19-10 10:37 AM |
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Did the Republicans win in 2006 or 2008, after the base |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-19-10 03:10 PM |
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I don't think the base left the Republicans. They just never do. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-19-10 04:20 PM |
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The price of losing? |
kenfrequed |
Mar-19-10 11:52 AM |
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Is Kucinich a DLC/Blue Dog? |
BurtWorm |
Mar-19-10 12:05 PM |
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Well which is it? |
kenfrequed |
Mar-19-10 12:10 PM |
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The waters are muddy. That is my point. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-19-10 12:45 PM |
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Nuts. |
kenfrequed |
Mar-19-10 01:23 PM |
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Can you hold more than one thought in your head? Maybe not. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-19-10 01:42 PM |
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Bogus - alternative is nothing claims. |
Mithreal |
Mar-18-10 02:28 PM |
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Help me, then: What is the something that is the alternative? |
BurtWorm |
Mar-18-10 02:38 PM |
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It's how you framed your argument that led to the weak positioning. |
Mithreal |
Mar-18-10 03:05 PM |
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It better not be over. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-18-10 03:20 PM |
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indeed |
Mithreal |
Mar-18-10 03:38 PM |
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X |
BurtWorm |
Mar-18-10 02:38 PM |
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It is passing it that will defeat us in November n/t |
eridani |
Mar-18-10 06:39 PM |
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all part of the plan. Both sides can complain to voters "we can't, we aren't in power" |
havocmom |
Mar-18-10 08:42 PM |
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Can you explain the logic of that? |
BurtWorm |
Mar-18-10 09:57 PM |
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It is based on Obama's very effective 2008 campaign in which he ran on opposing mandates |
eridani |
Mar-20-10 12:55 AM |
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The logical dissonance is strong with this one... |
liberation |
Mar-19-10 12:50 PM |
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I don't follow you. |
BurtWorm |
Mar-19-10 12:58 PM |
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K&R excellent OP |
amborin |
Mar-18-10 02:27 PM |
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ihavenobias tells it like it is |
Wetzelbill |
Mar-18-10 02:29 PM |
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K&R even though your name bugs me ;) |
Political Heretic |
Mar-18-10 02:34 PM |
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Apparently you never read my profile! |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 02:38 PM |
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I am the master of "see what you expect to see"....! - |
tbyg52 |
Mar-18-10 06:43 PM |
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Haha I hadn't! :) |
Political Heretic |
Mar-18-10 09:51 PM |
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Thanks. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Mar-18-10 02:36 PM |
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I know that both parties have corporate influence, and.. |
mvd |
Mar-18-10 02:42 PM |
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Which is why I understand Kucinich changing his vote - |
RaleighNCDUer |
Mar-18-10 03:03 PM |
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Same here |
laughingliberal |
Mar-18-10 11:47 PM |
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You weren't supposed to be watching. He was playing to his audience. |
Mithreal |
Mar-19-10 01:30 AM |
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Evan Bayh deserves considerable blame |
kenfrequed |
Mar-19-10 12:08 PM |
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Plouffe: Obama's Veep Pick 'Coin Toss' Between Biden And Bayh |
Mithreal |
Mar-19-10 12:56 PM |
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Even scarier. |
kenfrequed |
Mar-19-10 01:16 PM |
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Agreed, I believe most of us knew our vote was being cast for a better SCOTUS if nothing else. |
Mithreal |
Mar-19-10 01:09 AM |
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+1 |
pleah |
Mar-18-10 02:48 PM |
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+1 |
Individualist |
Mar-18-10 06:15 PM |
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K&R |
pleah |
Mar-18-10 02:48 PM |
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"I have rejected a whole bunch of provisions that the left wanted" - Barack Obama |
FiveGoodMen |
Mar-18-10 02:50 PM |
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K&R. The pharmaceutical companies win as well. |
Individualist |
Mar-18-10 03:02 PM |
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K & R nt |
Raine |
Mar-18-10 03:12 PM |
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Everyone knows who wins. |
pecwae |
Mar-18-10 03:21 PM |
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K&R. Who "wins?" With what's on the table, I know it's not gonna be me... |
Rhiannon12866 |
Mar-18-10 03:57 PM |
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K&R |
Eyerish |
Mar-18-10 04:03 PM |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
Mar-18-10 04:03 PM |
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When I can get to see a doctor |
DearAbby |
Mar-18-10 04:51 PM |
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 05:40 PM |
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Good Luck. |
bvar22 |
Mar-18-10 06:05 PM |
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And good night. |
truedelphi |
Mar-18-10 06:40 PM |
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Interesting how if this bill is such a "win" for the health insurance companies, they are still |
4lbs |
Mar-18-10 06:39 PM |
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Are they? I sure haven't seen any "Dick and Jane" ads (or whatever the name of that couple was) |
tbyg52 |
Mar-18-10 06:47 PM |
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They are using the U.S. Chamber of Commerce so their names aren't attached. |
4lbs |
Mar-18-10 06:52 PM |
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That's called lobbying. They can always argue for a little more. |
Marr |
Mar-19-10 01:33 AM |
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As I said, that's because they hide behind other groups that they fund extremely well. |
4lbs |
Mar-19-10 12:07 PM |
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They've been on board the whole time |
mwrguy |
Mar-18-10 07:58 PM |
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They've fought it to win numerous concessions. |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 06:48 PM |
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Yeah, it's a lose-lose for the regular people. nt |
tbyg52 |
Mar-18-10 07:18 PM |
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If you're the most despised entity, how do you get what you want? |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-18-10 07:15 PM |
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Bingo. nt |
tbyg52 |
Mar-18-10 07:45 PM |
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Too late to rec??? Where's this thread been???? kick . . . |
defendandprotect |
Mar-18-10 08:23 PM |
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a big K&R here....too tired and mostly too sickened to write anything else |
bread_and_roses |
Mar-18-10 08:42 PM |
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I'm not surprised by |
Cha |
Mar-18-10 08:58 PM |
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I'm not pushing anything and I very sincerely hope I'm wrong about this bill. |
ihavenobias |
Mar-18-10 09:01 PM |
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K & R Fuck the Corporatist ! |
SlingBlade |
Mar-18-10 09:02 PM |
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Bullshit... |
MellowDem |
Mar-18-10 09:54 PM |
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Sorry, but you're pretty much wrong |
ProudDad |
Mar-18-10 10:25 PM |
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According to you... |
MellowDem |
Mar-18-10 10:53 PM |
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Why call it a conspiracy, when con job will do? |
Mithreal |
Mar-18-10 11:47 PM |
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That's EXACTLY what happened! |
Capitalocracy |
Mar-19-10 01:09 AM |
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But insurance companies know... |
MellowDem |
Mar-19-10 10:51 AM |
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The "health" insurance corporations also know death by a thousand cuts. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-19-10 11:36 AM |
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I believe the saying goes |
obxhead |
Mar-19-10 01:12 AM |
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Ridiculously wrong. When you squeezed all the juice out of the orange, whatya gonna do? |
Mithreal |
Mar-18-10 11:42 PM |
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If the insurance companies... |
MellowDem |
Mar-19-10 10:57 AM |
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We just backstopped the profits. |
Mithreal |
Mar-19-10 01:02 PM |
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A mandate that everyone buy their products and government subsidies are a hell of a lot better than |
Marr |
Mar-19-10 01:39 AM |
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What goverment subsidies? |
MellowDem |
Mar-19-10 11:04 AM |
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You do realize that... |
ProudDad |
Mar-18-10 10:21 PM |
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+1 |
area51 |
Mar-19-10 11:58 AM |
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Lots of good points. n/t |
ihavenobias |
Mar-22-10 01:24 AM |
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Definition of Fascism |
Citizen Worker |
Mar-18-10 11:56 PM |
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Gotta love private taxes. |
Mithreal |
Mar-19-10 01:32 AM |
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Yep. If GW Bush had done this, the very people cheering now would've gone apeshit. |
Marr |
Mar-19-10 01:42 AM |
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Hear, hear! |
Individualist |
Mar-19-10 11:40 AM |
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well, the White House has been firmly on their side |
Skittles |
Mar-19-10 01:19 AM |
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Put on a good show though. Running the clock out. |
Mithreal |
Mar-19-10 01:35 AM |
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Americans |
ProSense |
Mar-19-10 11:21 AM |
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That statement by Obama leaves me cold |
florida08 |
Mar-19-10 12:32 PM |
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so true. Insurance companies will make a killing off of this |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Mar-19-10 11:52 PM |
#144 |
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