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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #50
82. most DUers ARE liberal and progressive
we are among the left of the liberals and probably middle of the left overall.

most people supporting HCR here vote for liberals and want liberal solutions.

i posted a single payer poll and it was nearly unanimous in support here --that kind of result shows you where most people on this board are.

but you are busy calling everybody DLC'ers and what not. I may have joked that your points were Republican, although that's where I heard those words first, but I didn't presume you were a Republican.
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  -What fresh bloody hell is this? MadHound  Mar-16-10 04:23 PM   #0 
  - I think some of this may be misrepresentation  av8rdave   Mar-16-10 04:25 PM   #1 
  - No, this is not media misrepresentation  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:28 PM   #7 
     - How can it set a precedent when it's been used before?  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:29 PM   #8 
     - The size of the bill is what is the precedent.  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:32 PM   #16 
        - Sorry. The Court ruled that deeming resolutions are sound and Constitutional  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:34 PM   #20 
           - Yeah, so is reconcilliation and signing statements,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:36 PM   #22 
              - Which is why arguing that reconciliation was "unconstitutional" would be stupid.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:38 PM   #26 
              - Reconciliation is certainly constitutional, signing statements probably aren't.  Unvanguard   Mar-16-10 04:38 PM   #27 
     - I'm maddern' a hound dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  polpilot   Mar-16-10 05:27 PM   #76 
        - lol  quinnox   Mar-16-10 05:37 PM   #86 
  - Good for the Democrats..they're just using procedure.  Cha   Mar-16-10 04:26 PM   #2 
  - Health Care reform has passed both houses of congress  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:26 PM   #3 
  - Never get in the way of a good rant. I've already seen the King of England brought up.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:28 PM   #6 
  - We kicked the British out of here through violence instead of doing it democratically!  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:30 PM   #10 
  - +1  xultar   Mar-16-10 04:30 PM   #9 
  - No, it is a way of getting the Senate version through without having the House actually vote on it  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:30 PM   #12 
     - it's a way to have the House vote for a changed Senate bill  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:46 PM   #40 
  - The Republicans wrote the book on using these 'tactics' - this is nothing  gateley   Mar-16-10 04:27 PM   #4 
  - So we're going to stoop to their level.  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:33 PM   #19 
     - Do you understand how this works? If you vote yes, you are voting for the reconciliation bill AND  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:37 PM   #24 
        - Yeah, d'uh, I know how it works,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:40 PM   #34 
           - So then you recognize that your claim that there is no vote is fallacious, right?  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:42 PM   #36 
           - It is vote on the fixes, not on the actual bill,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:48 PM   #43 
              - No, it is a vote on BOTH.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:49 PM   #44 
                 - Spin, spin, spin  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:52 PM   #49 
           - It gives cover to the Dems in the House that don't like the Senate bill and it  Jennicut   Mar-16-10 04:56 PM   #55 
  - Actually, if the House sent a conference report to the Senate, it would be filibustered  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:28 PM   #5 
  - This the way it should be done  quinnox   Mar-16-10 04:30 PM   #11 
  - A few times? They did it 36 times from 2005 to 2006. Dems have done it 49 times in 2007-2008  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:31 PM   #15 
  - Have to give Republican talking points credit here  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:31 PM   #13 
  - Ooo, aren't you the quick and witty one, did you have to think all day on that one,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:35 PM   #21 
     - oh relax, those really are Republican talking points  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:41 PM   #35 
        - If it isn't being rammed through, then why aren't the Dems actually standing up and fighting?  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:47 PM   #41 
           - them not fighting a filibuster does not make using this method in the House wrong  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:55 PM   #54 
           - Depends on what I'm doing  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:03 PM   #61 
           - what exactly do you want them to fight for? The Senate bill that they will then change?  onenote   Mar-16-10 05:27 PM   #79 
  - Isn't this just teabagger rhetoric?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-16-10 04:31 PM   #14 
  - The 'Pugs are threatening to filibuster in the Senate  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:38 PM   #25 
     - You're splitting hairs.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-16-10 04:40 PM   #33 
        - If the Dems were actually fighting, we would tell the 'Pugs to go ahead and filibuster,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:44 PM   #38 
           - That's like saying getting beaten up is fighting back...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-16-10 04:48 PM   #42 
              - Ah, so that big filibuster that LBJ used on the Civil Rights bill wasn't effective  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:51 PM   #46 
                 - You mean the time they had 67 votes to kill the filibuster?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-16-10 04:55 PM   #53 
                    - Had the 67 votes, yeah, after they beat both obstructionist 'Pugs and Dixiecrats  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:59 PM   #59 
                       - values?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-16-10 05:29 PM   #80 
                       - and the filibuster on the civil rights bill was overcome not because repubs were beaten  onenote   Mar-16-10 05:29 PM   #81 
                          - ha! it fits perfectly! If the conservadems were being shamed, we would have a much better bill  Little Star   Mar-16-10 07:03 PM   #93 
  - What is this "spine" of which you speak?  Ignis   Mar-16-10 04:32 PM   #17 
  - The Administration IS fighting for what they want. They apparently want RW crap.  Edweird   Mar-16-10 04:32 PM   #18 
  - This is going to be the worse November ever.  deaniac21   Mar-16-10 04:36 PM   #23 
  - Hey, I'm gone.  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:39 PM   #29 
  - To be fair, it sounds like you already had your narrative written before this post  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:51 PM   #47 
     - It is the administration that is putting itself on the wrong side of all major issues  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:57 PM   #56 
        - It's not as black and white as you are proclaiming  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 05:07 PM   #64 
           - Oh really?  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:13 PM   #69 
              - now that you've declared me without morals or ethics, everybody can see what you're about  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 05:16 PM   #72 
                 - Yep, I think that you were another one who protested these sort of tactics about five years ago  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:18 PM   #73 
                    - got a dossier on me?  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 05:20 PM   #74 
  - Yep. DLC has achieved its objective of destroying the party.  Individualist   Mar-16-10 04:42 PM   #37 
  - With repubs DOA, the system needs to plug in their life support to maintain the two party ruse  Echo In Light   Mar-16-10 04:44 PM   #39 
     - Bingo, and time for yet another prescient Hicks quote:  Ignis   Mar-16-10 04:59 PM   # 
        - _  Echo In Light   Mar-16-10 05:27 PM   #78 
  - The survival instinct has kicked in. They have to do this.  Prism   Mar-16-10 04:38 PM   #28 
  - Once again, this tactic was ruled Constitutional by the Court years ago.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:39 PM   #31 
  - I agreed with Speaker Pelosi in 2005  Prism   Mar-16-10 04:51 PM   #48 
     - They thought it was wrong, it was deemed Constitutional.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:55 PM   #52 
        - The Court declined to rule, actually  Prism   Mar-16-10 05:04 PM   #62 
  - Either way, they've wrecked the party.  girl gone mad   Mar-16-10 04:57 PM   #57 
     - You know, I'm beginning to believe this could be a good thing.  bvar22   Mar-16-10 07:35 PM   #94 
  - You missed "down our throat" in your talking point quote...  Ozymanithrax   Mar-16-10 04:39 PM   #30 
  - lol  NNN0LHI   Mar-16-10 05:11 PM   #67 
  - It makes me mad that the same people who claimed  DJ13   Mar-16-10 04:39 PM   #32 
  - The difference being, these are fixes related to the budget. An entire health care bill through  Jennicut   Mar-16-10 04:54 PM   #51 
  - I doubt you would like Freepland very much then.  gulliver   Mar-16-10 04:50 PM   #45 
  - Cool, you keep thinking that  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:53 PM   #50 
     - most DUers ARE liberal and progressive  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 05:31 PM   #82 
     - Your numbers are likely much smaller than you think.  Hansel   Mar-16-10 06:39 PM   #89 
  - nonsense.  Orangepeel   Mar-16-10 04:59 PM   #58 
  - Kill the bill and come back with something better???  Bitwit1234   Mar-16-10 05:01 PM   #60 
  - And who's fault is it that it took a goddamn year?  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:06 PM   #63 
  - Do you prefer they vote for the Senate Bill outright, without fixes guaranteed?  Oregone   Mar-16-10 05:10 PM   #65 
  - I'm pretty sure the OP prefers that they don't vote "for" either version  onenote   Mar-16-10 05:32 PM   #83 
     - Me too, but thats not an option  Oregone   Mar-16-10 05:36 PM   #85 
  - I feel like I am at a Michele Bachmann rally here  NNN0LHI   Mar-16-10 05:11 PM   #66 
  - Did you feel that way about five years ago when you and others around here  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:16 PM   #71 
     - did you cut and paste that response? because it's a copy of what you wrote me  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 05:27 PM   #77 
     - so if this was a version of HCR you liked  onenote   Mar-16-10 05:35 PM   #84 
  - Watch FOX they will explain it to you!!  peace13   Mar-16-10 05:11 PM   #68 
  - Nah, the DLCer's around here are doing a bang up job,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:15 PM   #70 
     - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Mar-16-10 05:37 PM   #87 
     - +1  Individualist   Mar-16-10 06:40 PM   #90 
  - how is it "ramming it through" -- it still need the votes  onenote   Mar-16-10 05:23 PM   #75 
  - They still have to vote for the bill to pass. There's nothing wrong with it at all. nt  Hansel   Mar-16-10 06:33 PM   #88 
  - I don't care how they do it - as long as it gets done.  Maru Kitteh   Mar-16-10 06:51 PM   #91 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-16-10 06:58 PM   #92 
  - "this is setting a massive precedent for when 'Pugs come to power"  troubledamerican   Mar-16-10 09:11 PM   #95 
 

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