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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-16-10 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #21
35. oh relax, those really are Republican talking points
the whole notion that health care reform is being "rammed" through congress is a misrepresentation and we should be allowed to give you a little snark in return for that.
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  -What fresh bloody hell is this? MadHound  Mar-16-10 04:23 PM   #0 
  - I think some of this may be misrepresentation  av8rdave   Mar-16-10 04:25 PM   #1 
  - No, this is not media misrepresentation  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:28 PM   #7 
     - How can it set a precedent when it's been used before?  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:29 PM   #8 
     - The size of the bill is what is the precedent.  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:32 PM   #16 
        - Sorry. The Court ruled that deeming resolutions are sound and Constitutional  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:34 PM   #20 
           - Yeah, so is reconcilliation and signing statements,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:36 PM   #22 
              - Which is why arguing that reconciliation was "unconstitutional" would be stupid.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:38 PM   #26 
              - Reconciliation is certainly constitutional, signing statements probably aren't.  Unvanguard   Mar-16-10 04:38 PM   #27 
     - I'm maddern' a hound dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  polpilot   Mar-16-10 05:27 PM   #76 
        - lol  quinnox   Mar-16-10 05:37 PM   #86 
  - Good for the Democrats..they're just using procedure.  Cha   Mar-16-10 04:26 PM   #2 
  - Health Care reform has passed both houses of congress  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:26 PM   #3 
  - Never get in the way of a good rant. I've already seen the King of England brought up.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:28 PM   #6 
  - We kicked the British out of here through violence instead of doing it democratically!  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:30 PM   #10 
  - +1  xultar   Mar-16-10 04:30 PM   #9 
  - No, it is a way of getting the Senate version through without having the House actually vote on it  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:30 PM   #12 
     - it's a way to have the House vote for a changed Senate bill  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:46 PM   #40 
  - The Republicans wrote the book on using these 'tactics' - this is nothing  gateley   Mar-16-10 04:27 PM   #4 
  - So we're going to stoop to their level.  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:33 PM   #19 
     - Do you understand how this works? If you vote yes, you are voting for the reconciliation bill AND  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:37 PM   #24 
        - Yeah, d'uh, I know how it works,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:40 PM   #34 
           - So then you recognize that your claim that there is no vote is fallacious, right?  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:42 PM   #36 
           - It is vote on the fixes, not on the actual bill,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:48 PM   #43 
              - No, it is a vote on BOTH.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:49 PM   #44 
                 - Spin, spin, spin  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:52 PM   #49 
           - It gives cover to the Dems in the House that don't like the Senate bill and it  Jennicut   Mar-16-10 04:56 PM   #55 
  - Actually, if the House sent a conference report to the Senate, it would be filibustered  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:28 PM   #5 
  - This the way it should be done  quinnox   Mar-16-10 04:30 PM   #11 
  - A few times? They did it 36 times from 2005 to 2006. Dems have done it 49 times in 2007-2008  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:31 PM   #15 
  - Have to give Republican talking points credit here  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:31 PM   #13 
  - Ooo, aren't you the quick and witty one, did you have to think all day on that one,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:35 PM   #21 
     - oh relax, those really are Republican talking points  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:41 PM   #35 
        - If it isn't being rammed through, then why aren't the Dems actually standing up and fighting?  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:47 PM   #41 
           - them not fighting a filibuster does not make using this method in the House wrong  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:55 PM   #54 
           - Depends on what I'm doing  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:03 PM   #61 
           - what exactly do you want them to fight for? The Senate bill that they will then change?  onenote   Mar-16-10 05:27 PM   #79 
  - Isn't this just teabagger rhetoric?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-16-10 04:31 PM   #14 
  - The 'Pugs are threatening to filibuster in the Senate  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:38 PM   #25 
     - You're splitting hairs.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-16-10 04:40 PM   #33 
        - If the Dems were actually fighting, we would tell the 'Pugs to go ahead and filibuster,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:44 PM   #38 
           - That's like saying getting beaten up is fighting back...  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-16-10 04:48 PM   #42 
              - Ah, so that big filibuster that LBJ used on the Civil Rights bill wasn't effective  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:51 PM   #46 
                 - You mean the time they had 67 votes to kill the filibuster?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-16-10 04:55 PM   #53 
                    - Had the 67 votes, yeah, after they beat both obstructionist 'Pugs and Dixiecrats  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:59 PM   #59 
                       - values?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-16-10 05:29 PM   #80 
                       - and the filibuster on the civil rights bill was overcome not because repubs were beaten  onenote   Mar-16-10 05:29 PM   #81 
                          - ha! it fits perfectly! If the conservadems were being shamed, we would have a much better bill  Little Star   Mar-16-10 07:03 PM   #93 
  - What is this "spine" of which you speak?  Ignis   Mar-16-10 04:32 PM   #17 
  - The Administration IS fighting for what they want. They apparently want RW crap.  Edweird   Mar-16-10 04:32 PM   #18 
  - This is going to be the worse November ever.  deaniac21   Mar-16-10 04:36 PM   #23 
  - Hey, I'm gone.  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:39 PM   #29 
  - To be fair, it sounds like you already had your narrative written before this post  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 04:51 PM   #47 
     - It is the administration that is putting itself on the wrong side of all major issues  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:57 PM   #56 
        - It's not as black and white as you are proclaiming  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 05:07 PM   #64 
           - Oh really?  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:13 PM   #69 
              - now that you've declared me without morals or ethics, everybody can see what you're about  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 05:16 PM   #72 
                 - Yep, I think that you were another one who protested these sort of tactics about five years ago  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:18 PM   #73 
                    - got a dossier on me?  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 05:20 PM   #74 
  - Yep. DLC has achieved its objective of destroying the party.  Individualist   Mar-16-10 04:42 PM   #37 
  - With repubs DOA, the system needs to plug in their life support to maintain the two party ruse  Echo In Light   Mar-16-10 04:44 PM   #39 
     - Bingo, and time for yet another prescient Hicks quote:  Ignis   Mar-16-10 04:59 PM   # 
        - _  Echo In Light   Mar-16-10 05:27 PM   #78 
  - The survival instinct has kicked in. They have to do this.  Prism   Mar-16-10 04:38 PM   #28 
  - Once again, this tactic was ruled Constitutional by the Court years ago.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:39 PM   #31 
  - I agreed with Speaker Pelosi in 2005  Prism   Mar-16-10 04:51 PM   #48 
     - They thought it was wrong, it was deemed Constitutional.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-16-10 04:55 PM   #52 
        - The Court declined to rule, actually  Prism   Mar-16-10 05:04 PM   #62 
  - Either way, they've wrecked the party.  girl gone mad   Mar-16-10 04:57 PM   #57 
     - You know, I'm beginning to believe this could be a good thing.  bvar22   Mar-16-10 07:35 PM   #94 
  - You missed "down our throat" in your talking point quote...  Ozymanithrax   Mar-16-10 04:39 PM   #30 
  - lol  NNN0LHI   Mar-16-10 05:11 PM   #67 
  - It makes me mad that the same people who claimed  DJ13   Mar-16-10 04:39 PM   #32 
  - The difference being, these are fixes related to the budget. An entire health care bill through  Jennicut   Mar-16-10 04:54 PM   #51 
  - I doubt you would like Freepland very much then.  gulliver   Mar-16-10 04:50 PM   #45 
  - Cool, you keep thinking that  MadHound   Mar-16-10 04:53 PM   #50 
     - most DUers ARE liberal and progressive  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 05:31 PM   #82 
     - Your numbers are likely much smaller than you think.  Hansel   Mar-16-10 06:39 PM   #89 
  - nonsense.  Orangepeel   Mar-16-10 04:59 PM   #58 
  - Kill the bill and come back with something better???  Bitwit1234   Mar-16-10 05:01 PM   #60 
  - And who's fault is it that it took a goddamn year?  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:06 PM   #63 
  - Do you prefer they vote for the Senate Bill outright, without fixes guaranteed?  Oregone   Mar-16-10 05:10 PM   #65 
  - I'm pretty sure the OP prefers that they don't vote "for" either version  onenote   Mar-16-10 05:32 PM   #83 
     - Me too, but thats not an option  Oregone   Mar-16-10 05:36 PM   #85 
  - I feel like I am at a Michele Bachmann rally here  NNN0LHI   Mar-16-10 05:11 PM   #66 
  - Did you feel that way about five years ago when you and others around here  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:16 PM   #71 
     - did you cut and paste that response? because it's a copy of what you wrote me  CreekDog   Mar-16-10 05:27 PM   #77 
     - so if this was a version of HCR you liked  onenote   Mar-16-10 05:35 PM   #84 
  - Watch FOX they will explain it to you!!  peace13   Mar-16-10 05:11 PM   #68 
  - Nah, the DLCer's around here are doing a bang up job,  MadHound   Mar-16-10 05:15 PM   #70 
     - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Mar-16-10 05:37 PM   #87 
     - +1  Individualist   Mar-16-10 06:40 PM   #90 
  - how is it "ramming it through" -- it still need the votes  onenote   Mar-16-10 05:23 PM   #75 
  - They still have to vote for the bill to pass. There's nothing wrong with it at all. nt  Hansel   Mar-16-10 06:33 PM   #88 
  - I don't care how they do it - as long as it gets done.  Maru Kitteh   Mar-16-10 06:51 PM   #91 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-16-10 06:58 PM   #92 
  - "this is setting a massive precedent for when 'Pugs come to power"  troubledamerican   Mar-16-10 09:11 PM   #95 

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