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Sat Mar-13-10 03:29 PM
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| 17. And, when you graduate, you can get a job as a mall cop or |
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$8/hr security guard. That's about the extent of it.
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| -The New Poor: In Hard Times, Lured Into Trade School and Debt |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-13-10 02:55 PM |
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Have you been listening in to our kitchen conversation? |
SoCalDem |
Mar-13-10 02:57 PM |
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We had a DUer a week or three ago all pumped up because he was starting ITT Tech.. |
Fumesucker |
Mar-13-10 02:59 PM |
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The criminal justice ad runs constantly. |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-13-10 03:00 PM |
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And, when you graduate, you can get a job as a mall cop or |
MineralMan |
Mar-13-10 03:29 PM |
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The ads imply that the program leads to CSI / tv detective level employment |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-13-10 03:47 PM |
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Yeah, I know. But they don't train you for anything but |
MineralMan |
Mar-13-10 03:54 PM |
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community colleges have *all* the trade programs, somewhere. at a fraction of the cost of those |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-13-10 08:29 PM |
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Just searched for the thread |
fujiyama |
Mar-14-10 04:22 AM |
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OMG. Read further in the article about those "Le Cordon Bleu" culinary schools! |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-13-10 02:59 PM |
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could be worse. could be DeVry |
dionysus |
Mar-15-10 02:18 PM |
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Another brilliant scam on the working poor |
leftstreet |
Mar-13-10 02:59 PM |
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and a scheme to defraud taxpayers.. |
girl gone mad |
Mar-14-10 06:42 AM |
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There are so many experienced auto techs laid off from closed dealerships |
Ikonoklast |
Mar-13-10 03:03 PM |
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This sort of thing (technical schools) has been going on since the 80's |
cutlassmama |
Mar-13-10 03:04 PM |
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The fashion design schools really get me... how many fashion designers do we need? |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-13-10 03:08 PM |
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Those, the "chef's" school, the "Art Institute", and so on are all nothing but highly profitable |
Greyhound |
Mar-13-10 04:13 PM |
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The Art Institutes ARE respectable. |
lapislzi |
Mar-15-10 01:17 PM |
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The Art Institute in Houston is a joke. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Mar-15-10 01:41 PM |
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What's really terrible is how this rip off places give themselves reputable SOUNDING names |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-15-10 02:12 PM |
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Sorry you had a bad experience |
lapislzi |
Mar-15-10 03:00 PM |
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The AI Houston IS part of that chain. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Mar-16-10 02:45 AM |
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Thank you for the clarification |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-15-10 02:09 PM |
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don't forget travel agent and hotel manager "schools" |
elehhhhna |
Mar-15-10 03:44 PM |
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Nursing boards say new grads are having troulbe |
Warpy |
Mar-13-10 03:07 PM |
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Newly licensed 43 year old LPN here |
njlib |
Mar-15-10 03:20 PM |
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Used to be that "trade school" was called "vocational education" & |
WolverineDG |
Mar-13-10 03:09 PM |
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jeeezuzinahandbasket, they had home ec as a 4 year |
onethatcares |
Mar-13-10 03:15 PM |
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Home ec was a legitimate college degree back in the day. All the college food service |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-13-10 03:17 PM |
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Never mind about learning how to design & make your own clothes |
WolverineDG |
Mar-13-10 06:08 PM |
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So you're okay with banning voc ed from public schools? |
WolverineDG |
Mar-13-10 06:07 PM |
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oh, no. Not at all. |
onethatcares |
Mar-14-10 05:13 AM |
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okay, sorry :) nt |
WolverineDG |
Mar-14-10 11:59 AM |
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If I had my way |
Retrograde |
Mar-15-10 01:16 PM |
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Our local community college offers a mechanic and welding program.. low cost |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-13-10 03:16 PM |
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Employers are externalizing the price of training. |
wickerwoman |
Mar-13-10 04:08 PM |
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VocEd had to be eliminated, it was useful and actually contributed to social mobility |
Greyhound |
Mar-13-10 03:29 PM |
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Voc-ed died because everyone got told they needed a college degree |
Generic Other |
Mar-13-10 06:26 PM |
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Marketing college degrees was the point. |
Greyhound |
Mar-13-10 07:11 PM |
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Bingo! +1! |
Odin2005 |
Mar-13-10 08:47 PM |
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No joke -- high school voc tech programs provided basic training and it didn't cost a cent. |
Gormy Cuss |
Mar-13-10 06:44 PM |
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Our district still offers a comprehensive vocational curriculum. |
Doremus |
Mar-13-10 09:15 PM |
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We have a magnet school for vo-tech in our county. |
rucky |
Mar-14-10 04:30 AM |
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Been happening for decades now, 'retrain for a new field of work' |
RexS |
Mar-13-10 03:13 PM |
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my own son is taking so many classes |
Mari333 |
Mar-13-10 03:19 PM |
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I'm sorry Mari |
K8-EEE |
Mar-13-10 05:26 PM |
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Yep, school loan programs turned into corporate welfare. |
Greyhound |
Mar-13-10 03:21 PM |
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Where I am, the local community colleges offer equivalent programs, |
MineralMan |
Mar-13-10 03:28 PM |
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Same with our community colleges. |
Rockholm |
Mar-13-10 03:45 PM |
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Right. There are programs for many trades, including culinary arts, |
MineralMan |
Mar-13-10 03:49 PM |
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Classism and the desire to have a degree from a "good school". |
Odin2005 |
Mar-13-10 08:50 PM |
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Like ITT Tech is a "good" school. |
Rockholm |
Mar-14-10 02:46 PM |
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Because they saw the ITT Tech ad on TeeVee |
pstokely |
Mar-14-10 08:29 AM |
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Around here, the CCs are overbooked & understaffed |
SoCalDem |
Mar-14-10 03:11 PM |
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Community college is the way to go |
Juche |
Mar-13-10 06:28 PM |
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television runs these ads |
KT2000 |
Mar-13-10 03:49 PM |
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If you're going to get into the building trades, find an apprentice program instead. |
Brickbat |
Mar-13-10 03:56 PM |
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Organized labor |
MichaelHarris |
Mar-14-10 12:20 AM |
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Thank you. |
Brickbat |
Mar-14-10 12:41 PM |
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+1 That's the real deal. |
Edweird |
Mar-14-10 08:41 AM |
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Not only that, you earn while you learn! |
Brickbat |
Mar-14-10 12:42 PM |
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Don't want this to sink because of the assault on Kucinich. |
Greyhound |
Mar-13-10 04:49 PM |
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It's a great thread. These for-profit "schools" (read: scams) are the Payday Loans of education. |
scarletwoman |
Mar-13-10 08:24 PM |
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$30,000 a year for TRADE SCHOOL?!?!?!?!?!?! |
Swamp Rat |
Mar-13-10 05:39 PM |
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A nine month program at that. |
aikoaiko |
Mar-13-10 08:09 PM |
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And 10s of thousands per year to learn to cook??? |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-15-10 10:55 AM |
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These insitutes are outright frauds and should be put out of business. |
Jkid |
Mar-13-10 06:17 PM |
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Community colleges definitely offer a much better "bang for your buck" |
fujiyama |
Mar-13-10 06:54 PM |
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Go to your local community college!! |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Mar-13-10 07:49 PM |
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Student Loan Debt is a form of social control by the Elites on the rest of us. |
Odin2005 |
Mar-13-10 08:42 PM |
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Yes, that's it exactly! Excellent observation, thank you. |
scarletwoman |
Mar-14-10 12:26 AM |
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You're welcome! |
Odin2005 |
Mar-14-10 11:38 AM |
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If it takes you that long, is it even worth it? nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Mar-14-10 11:42 AM |
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For what I want to do, yes. |
Odin2005 |
Mar-14-10 02:49 PM |
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K&R I would too avoid those for profit schools..... |
Joe the Liberal |
Mar-13-10 08:48 PM |
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I remember reading this long article on these "career" colleges in the Ft Worth Star Telegram |
tammywammy |
Mar-13-10 08:55 PM |
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K & R - very interesting and informative thread. |
Raksha |
Mar-14-10 12:49 AM |
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The primary 'careers' advertised on local cable today are: Law/criminal justice, some kind medical |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-15-10 10:54 AM |
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I go to a small private university |
tammywammy |
Mar-15-10 12:26 PM |
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OUCH for ITT. lol |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-15-10 02:08 PM |
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It's really sad. I see those commercials all the time |
ecstatic |
Mar-14-10 12:37 AM |
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I almost fell into this trap |
johnlucas |
Mar-14-10 12:39 AM |
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I was shaking my head tonight |
upi402 |
Mar-14-10 05:31 AM |
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Thanks for the story. Glad you escaped the trap. |
Liberal_in_LA |
Mar-15-10 10:51 AM |
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"Retraining" of older laid-off workers was part of the "blame the victim" meme of conservatives. |
DailyGrind51 |
Mar-14-10 09:32 AM |
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Lured |
Naturalist111 |
Mar-14-10 12:57 PM |
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Indeed there are, but to what specifically were you referring? n/t |
Greyhound |
Mar-14-10 02:00 PM |
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keyword "many" |
Naturalist111 |
Mar-16-10 09:31 PM |
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in times like these even BS and BA degress from real universities seem questionalble |
dembotoz |
Mar-15-10 12:45 PM |
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Sometimes even regular universities/colleges will tell prospective students that jobs are plentiful |
raccoon |
Mar-15-10 01:08 PM |
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I'm waving my B.A. in Biology and my J.D. (law degree) frantically! |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Mar-15-10 02:10 PM |
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$30k a year could get you into Harvard for a year or 4 years at a State College |
LynneSin |
Mar-15-10 03:05 PM |
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U of Phoenix online is CARLYLE GROUP, fyi and |
elehhhhna |
Mar-15-10 03:39 PM |
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look up ads for trade school "admissions" recruiters -- |
elehhhhna |
Mar-15-10 03:41 PM |
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damn...some years ago i gave serious thought to WyoTech |
Blue_Tires |
Mar-15-10 03:50 PM |
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