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7. Nursing boards say new grads are having troulbe
finding hospital jobs, too. It seems that an economic downturn means people with no jobs also have no health insurance, and that keeps patient census low and hospitals are being picky about not hiring new nurses.

That doesn't mean it's the same in all markets, of course, and flexibility is key in that particular profession. One has to be willing to accept any specialty and any hours, especially in the beginning.

However, training for any trade that can't be exported will usually pay off at some point, if only because you can save a bundle by doing your own work.
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  -The New Poor: In Hard Times, Lured Into Trade School and Debt Liberal_in_LA  Mar-13-10 02:55 PM   #0 
  - Have you been listening in to our kitchen conversation?  SoCalDem   Mar-13-10 02:57 PM   #1 
  - We had a DUer a week or three ago all pumped up because he was starting ITT Tech..  Fumesucker   Mar-13-10 02:59 PM   #2 
  - The criminal justice ad runs constantly.  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-13-10 03:00 PM   #4 
  - And, when you graduate, you can get a job as a mall cop or  MineralMan   Mar-13-10 03:29 PM   #17 
     - The ads imply that the program leads to CSI / tv detective level employment  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-13-10 03:47 PM   #20 
        - Yeah, I know. But they don't train you for anything but  MineralMan   Mar-13-10 03:54 PM   #23 
           - community colleges have *all* the trade programs, somewhere. at a fraction of the cost of those  Hannah Bell   Mar-13-10 08:29 PM   #41 
  - Just searched for the thread  fujiyama   Mar-14-10 04:22 AM   #53 
  - OMG. Read further in the article about those "Le Cordon Bleu" culinary schools!  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-13-10 02:59 PM   # 
  - could be worse. could be DeVry  dionysus   Mar-15-10 02:18 PM   #84 
  - Another brilliant scam on the working poor  leftstreet   Mar-13-10 02:59 PM   #3 
  - and a scheme to defraud taxpayers..  girl gone mad   Mar-14-10 06:42 AM   #57 
  - There are so many experienced auto techs laid off from closed dealerships  Ikonoklast   Mar-13-10 03:03 PM   #5 
  - This sort of thing (technical schools) has been going on since the 80's  cutlassmama   Mar-13-10 03:04 PM   #6 
  - The fashion design schools really get me... how many fashion designers do we need?  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-13-10 03:08 PM   #8 
     - Those, the "chef's" school, the "Art Institute", and so on are all nothing but highly profitable  Greyhound   Mar-13-10 04:13 PM   #26 
     - The Art Institutes ARE respectable.  lapislzi   Mar-15-10 01:17 PM   #78 
        - The Art Institute in Houston is a joke.  Manifestor_of_Light   Mar-15-10 01:41 PM   #79 
        - What's really terrible is how this rip off places give themselves reputable SOUNDING names  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-15-10 02:12 PM   #83 
        - Sorry you had a bad experience  lapislzi   Mar-15-10 03:00 PM   #85 
           - The AI Houston IS part of that chain.  Manifestor_of_Light   Mar-16-10 02:45 AM   #92 
        - Thank you for the clarification  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-15-10 02:09 PM   #81 
     - don't forget travel agent and hotel manager "schools"  elehhhhna   Mar-15-10 03:44 PM   #90 
  - Nursing boards say new grads are having troulbe  Warpy   Mar-13-10 03:07 PM   #7 
  - Newly licensed 43 year old LPN here  njlib   Mar-15-10 03:20 PM   #87 
  - Used to be that "trade school" was called "vocational education" &  WolverineDG   Mar-13-10 03:09 PM   #9 
  - jeeezuzinahandbasket, they had home ec as a 4 year  onethatcares   Mar-13-10 03:15 PM   #11 
  - Home ec was a legitimate college degree back in the day. All the college food service  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-13-10 03:17 PM   #13 
  - Never mind about learning how to design & make your own clothes  WolverineDG   Mar-13-10 06:08 PM   #31 
  - So you're okay with banning voc ed from public schools?  WolverineDG   Mar-13-10 06:07 PM   #30 
     - oh, no. Not at all.  onethatcares   Mar-14-10 05:13 AM   #55 
     - okay, sorry :) nt  WolverineDG   Mar-14-10 11:59 AM   #63 
     - If I had my way  Retrograde   Mar-15-10 01:16 PM   #77 
  - Our local community college offers a mechanic and welding program.. low cost  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-13-10 03:16 PM   #12 
  - Employers are externalizing the price of training.  wickerwoman   Mar-13-10 04:08 PM   #25 
  - VocEd had to be eliminated, it was useful and actually contributed to social mobility  Greyhound   Mar-13-10 03:29 PM   #18 
  - Voc-ed died because everyone got told they needed a college degree  Generic Other   Mar-13-10 06:26 PM   #33 
  - Marketing college degrees was the point.  Greyhound   Mar-13-10 07:11 PM   #37 
  - Bingo! +1!  Odin2005   Mar-13-10 08:47 PM   #43 
  - No joke -- high school voc tech programs provided basic training and it didn't cost a cent.  Gormy Cuss   Mar-13-10 06:44 PM   #35 
  - Our district still offers a comprehensive vocational curriculum.  Doremus   Mar-13-10 09:15 PM   #47 
  - We have a magnet school for vo-tech in our county.  rucky   Mar-14-10 04:30 AM   #54 
  - Been happening for decades now, 'retrain for a new field of work'  RexS   Mar-13-10 03:13 PM   #10 
  - my own son is taking so many classes  Mari333   Mar-13-10 03:19 PM   #14 
  - I'm sorry Mari  K8-EEE   Mar-13-10 05:26 PM   #28 
  - Yep, school loan programs turned into corporate welfare.  Greyhound   Mar-13-10 03:21 PM   #15 
  - Where I am, the local community colleges offer equivalent programs,  MineralMan   Mar-13-10 03:28 PM   #16 
  - Same with our community colleges.  Rockholm   Mar-13-10 03:45 PM   #19 
  - Right. There are programs for many trades, including culinary arts,  MineralMan   Mar-13-10 03:49 PM   #22 
  - Classism and the desire to have a degree from a "good school".  Odin2005   Mar-13-10 08:50 PM   #45 
  - Like ITT Tech is a "good" school.  Rockholm   Mar-14-10 02:46 PM   #68 
  - Because they saw the ITT Tech ad on TeeVee  pstokely   Mar-14-10 08:29 AM   #58 
  - Around here, the CCs are overbooked & understaffed  SoCalDem   Mar-14-10 03:11 PM   #70 
  - Community college is the way to go  Juche   Mar-13-10 06:28 PM   #34 
  - television runs these ads  KT2000   Mar-13-10 03:49 PM   #21 
  - If you're going to get into the building trades, find an apprentice program instead.  Brickbat   Mar-13-10 03:56 PM   #24 
  - Organized labor  MichaelHarris   Mar-14-10 12:20 AM   #48 
  - Thank you.  Brickbat   Mar-14-10 12:41 PM   #64 
  - +1 That's the real deal.  Edweird   Mar-14-10 08:41 AM   #59 
     - Not only that, you earn while you learn!  Brickbat   Mar-14-10 12:42 PM   #65 
  - Don't want this to sink because of the assault on Kucinich.  Greyhound   Mar-13-10 04:49 PM   #27 
  - It's a great thread. These for-profit "schools" (read: scams) are the Payday Loans of education.  scarletwoman   Mar-13-10 08:24 PM   #40 
  - $30,000 a year for TRADE SCHOOL?!?!?!?!?!?!  Swamp Rat   Mar-13-10 05:39 PM   #29 
  - A nine month program at that.  aikoaiko   Mar-13-10 08:09 PM   #39 
  - And 10s of thousands per year to learn to cook???  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-15-10 10:55 AM   #73 
  - These insitutes are outright frauds and should be put out of business.  Jkid   Mar-13-10 06:17 PM   #32 
  - Community colleges definitely offer a much better "bang for your buck"  fujiyama   Mar-13-10 06:54 PM   #36 
  - Go to your local community college!!  Manifestor_of_Light   Mar-13-10 07:49 PM   #38 
  - Student Loan Debt is a form of social control by the Elites on the rest of us.  Odin2005   Mar-13-10 08:42 PM   #42 
  - Yes, that's it exactly! Excellent observation, thank you.  scarletwoman   Mar-14-10 12:26 AM   #49 
  - You're welcome!  Odin2005   Mar-14-10 11:38 AM   #61 
  - If it takes you that long, is it even worth it? nt  Dreamer Tatum   Mar-14-10 11:42 AM   #62 
     - For what I want to do, yes.  Odin2005   Mar-14-10 02:49 PM   #69 
  - K&R I would too avoid those for profit schools.....  Joe the Liberal   Mar-13-10 08:48 PM   #44 
  - I remember reading this long article on these "career" colleges in the Ft Worth Star Telegram  tammywammy   Mar-13-10 08:55 PM   #46 
  - K & R - very interesting and informative thread.  Raksha   Mar-14-10 12:49 AM   #52 
  - The primary 'careers' advertised on local cable today are: Law/criminal justice, some kind medical  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-15-10 10:54 AM   #72 
     - I go to a small private university  tammywammy   Mar-15-10 12:26 PM   #74 
        - OUCH for ITT. lol  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-15-10 02:08 PM   #80 
  - It's really sad. I see those commercials all the time  ecstatic   Mar-14-10 12:37 AM   #50 
  - I almost fell into this trap  johnlucas   Mar-14-10 12:39 AM   #51 
  - I was shaking my head tonight  upi402   Mar-14-10 05:31 AM   #56 
  - Thanks for the story. Glad you escaped the trap.  Liberal_in_LA   Mar-15-10 10:51 AM   #71 
  - "Retraining" of older laid-off workers was part of the "blame the victim" meme of conservatives.  DailyGrind51   Mar-14-10 09:32 AM   #60 
  - Lured  Naturalist111   Mar-14-10 12:57 PM   #66 
  - Indeed there are, but to what specifically were you referring? n/t  Greyhound   Mar-14-10 02:00 PM   #67 
     - keyword "many"  Naturalist111   Mar-16-10 09:31 PM   #93 
  - in times like these even BS and BA degress from real universities seem questionalble  dembotoz   Mar-15-10 12:45 PM   #75 
  - Sometimes even regular universities/colleges will tell prospective students that jobs are plentiful  raccoon   Mar-15-10 01:08 PM   #76 
  - I'm waving my B.A. in Biology and my J.D. (law degree) frantically!  Manifestor_of_Light   Mar-15-10 02:10 PM   #82 
  - $30k a year could get you into Harvard for a year or 4 years at a State College  LynneSin   Mar-15-10 03:05 PM   #86 
  - U of Phoenix online is CARLYLE GROUP, fyi and  elehhhhna   Mar-15-10 03:39 PM   #88 
  - look up ads for trade school "admissions" recruiters --  elehhhhna   Mar-15-10 03:41 PM   #89 
  - damn...some years ago i gave serious thought to WyoTech  Blue_Tires   Mar-15-10 03:50 PM   #91 
 

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