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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-10 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #107
120. If it's going to be so easy to reform it, why wait to do so?
Reform it first; then pass it.

Should be simple if it's going to be so easy to reform it later.
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  -They didn't call it an "Exchange". They called it a "Cartel". bvar22  Mar-10-10 08:25 PM   #0 
  - Rambling on.  ProSense   Mar-10-10 08:29 PM   #1 
  - YES.  bvar22   Mar-10-10 08:41 PM   #3 
  - Rambling on = Post with more than 2 sentences. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-10-10 08:49 PM   #6 
     - Oh. I forgot to add a  bvar22   Mar-10-10 08:54 PM   #8 
        - Now isn't that better? Lol. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-10-10 08:55 PM   #9 
        - And might I add: DUzy! nt  laughingliberal   Mar-10-10 09:09 PM   #13 
        - .  inna   Mar-10-10 09:10 PM   #14 
        - Perfect!  waiting for hope   Mar-10-10 09:14 PM   #15 
        - Much better now. Thank you.  saracat   Mar-10-10 09:18 PM   #19 
        - ZING! Hilarious.  Political Heretic   Mar-10-10 09:38 PM   #26 
        - Oooh look,  ProSense   Mar-10-10 09:58 PM   #30 
        - You forgot your link. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-10-10 10:18 PM   #35 
        - LOL!!!  freddie mertz   Mar-11-10 06:31 AM   #41 
        - spot on  Bluenorthwest   Mar-11-10 09:34 AM   #52 
        - Okay, that made me laugh!  City Lights   Mar-12-10 04:49 PM   #173 
  - You probably prefer the original Social Security, which was actually--  eridani   Mar-11-10 06:39 AM   #45 
  - Or the public school system  Hello_Kitty   Mar-11-10 05:34 PM   #102 
  - Are you done embarrassing yourself?  Hell Hath No Fury   Mar-11-10 10:49 AM   #56 
  - +1  tallahasseedem   Mar-11-10 09:36 PM   #123 
  - Forcing people to buy a corrupt industry's products is not my idea of HCR either. n/t  Psephos   Mar-10-10 08:29 PM   #2 
  - There is more than one way to effect this landscape, even a snooker table has 4 rails:  bridgit   Mar-10-10 08:45 PM   #4 
  - bvar 22 nails it again! nt  laughingliberal   Mar-10-10 08:48 PM   #5 
  - There Will Be A Non-Profit Option On The Exchange  Beetwasher   Mar-10-10 08:54 PM   #7 
  - Well,  bvar22   Mar-10-10 08:57 PM   #11 
  - U Can Figure It Out  Beetwasher   Mar-10-10 09:17 PM   #18 
     - Perhaps you can explain? If it isn't difficult.  saracat   Mar-10-10 09:20 PM   #20 
     - It Will Still Be Over Your Head  Beetwasher   Mar-10-10 09:37 PM   #24 
        - So the answer is you don't know?  saracat   Mar-10-10 09:54 PM   #27 
        - Would seem that's the case. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-10-10 10:14 PM   #32 
        - I Won't Waste My Time Explaining Anything To You  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 09:25 AM   #48 
        - More like he's making shit up. Because logically there is no answer.  Raineyb   Mar-11-10 03:44 PM   #88 
        - Thanks for your substantive contribution.  freddie mertz   Mar-11-10 06:33 AM   #42 
           - When People Are Sincere  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 09:27 AM   #49 
              - Whatever. We could still use the information.  freddie mertz   Mar-11-10 10:43 AM   #53 
              - Oh, I'm Sure You Can "Use" A Lot Of Things  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 10:49 AM   #55 
                 - Ouchy! I challenged you to back up your claim.  freddie mertz   Mar-11-10 11:05 AM   #61 
                    - As I've Said  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 11:35 AM   #62 
                       - What makes you so sure this is insincere? nt.  freddie mertz   Mar-11-10 11:59 AM   #65 
                          - I'm Omniscient  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 12:02 PM   #66 
                             - Just a washer of beets then, I guess.  freddie mertz   Mar-11-10 03:12 PM   #87 
                                - Let It Bleed!  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 04:12 PM   #91 
              - Judging from your previous posts  ooglymoogly   Mar-11-10 09:23 PM   #121 
                 - Maybe Just You  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 09:26 AM   #142 
                    - Nope, already checked...no mocking birds, no bats and the bells  ooglymoogly   Mar-12-10 11:55 AM   #149 
                       - Mmm, Pie  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 12:27 PM   #153 
     - Of course I can figure it out. I know what happened to Group Health  eridani   Mar-11-10 06:42 AM   #46 
        - Were There Federal Regulations In Place?  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 09:28 AM   #50 
           - There are MLRs in place in Minnesota  dflprincess   Mar-11-10 10:07 PM   #128 
           - Yes, Enforcement Is Necessary  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 09:29 AM   #144 
              - You're living in Wonderland if you think the regulations will be enforced  dflprincess   Mar-12-10 12:17 PM   #150 
                 - Then Why Pass Anything?  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 12:26 PM   #152 
                    - I agree  dflprincess   Mar-12-10 12:36 PM   #155 
                       - No, I Mean Why Pass Anything, Ever? Why Regulate Anything, Ever?  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 12:43 PM   #157 
           - Regulation by medical loss ratios is uesless crap  eridani   Mar-12-10 09:44 PM   #178 
  - No there won't.  Sebastian Doyle   Mar-10-10 08:58 PM   #12 
  - Wrong  Beetwasher   Mar-10-10 09:16 PM   #16 
     - No link?????  saracat   Mar-10-10 09:20 PM   #21 
        - Apparently the scripted talking points on Bootwasher's workstation  Sebastian Doyle   Mar-10-10 09:23 PM   #22 
        - Umm, Jeenyus, The Non-Profit Is Not The PO, Duh  Beetwasher   Mar-10-10 09:37 PM   #25 
           - Then obviously, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.  Sebastian Doyle   Mar-10-10 10:14 PM   #31 
              - Ha! Are You Really Claiming That The Non-Profit Options On The Exchange ARE The Public Option????  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 09:31 AM   #51 
        - Where's Yours?  Beetwasher   Mar-10-10 09:36 PM   #23 
        - Sorry, I wasn't playing. The one that alleges something has to link.  saracat   Mar-10-10 09:56 PM   #28 
           - No?  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 09:24 AM   #47 
              - See whats there? You must be responding to another poster. I haven't said anything was contained  saracat   Mar-11-10 12:51 PM   #75 
              - Yes?  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 01:42 PM   #77 
              - Dude give it up, you're posting with some of the reasons the RW rolls the LW so easily...  bridgit   Mar-11-10 12:55 PM   #76 
                 - Mmmm, Cannibalism  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 01:44 PM   #78 
                    - I prefer a nice bottle of chianti and some fava beans. nt  ooglymoogly   Mar-11-10 09:37 PM   #124 
        - No, only a voice from on High.  GreenArrow   Mar-11-10 07:18 PM   #111 
  - Minnesota has non-profit insurance companies  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 10:51 AM   #57 
  - Are They Federally Regulated?  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 11:49 AM   #64 
     - No, but Minnesota has some of the strictest regulations in the country  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 12:09 PM   #67 
     - Well, There Will Now Be MORE Regulations And Enforcement  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 12:14 PM   #68 
     - The MLR could be a LOT better. It's ridiculous.  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 12:20 PM   #69 
        - Well Then! Let's Do Nothing!  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 12:26 PM   #70 
           - No. Not at all.  bvar22   Mar-11-10 01:51 PM   #80 
              - Oh, We Won't Be Able To Fix This Later, But We Will Somehow Be Able To Pass Medicare For All Later??  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 01:58 PM   #81 
              - Cracking the Medicare door open BEFORE 2010....  bvar22   Mar-11-10 02:12 PM   #84 
                 - Go For It! Just Click Your Heals Together!  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 02:13 PM   #85 
              - Yes  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 02:04 PM   #83 
                 - Oh, Yeah, That'll Work  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 02:15 PM   #86 
                    - Since it worked with antitrust, why not with other measures?  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 04:31 PM   #95 
                       - Well, Gee, By That Logic, We Should Be Able To Fix This Bill Then!  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 04:36 PM   #96 
                          - Get rid of the mandate to buy private insurance  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 05:01 PM   #99 
                          - Umm u can opt in to a non-profit plan  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 06:24 PM   #109 
                             - We have non-profits in Minnesota, and they still suck  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 07:00 PM   #110 
                                - Well Then Its A Good Thing They Will NOW Be Federally Regulated  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 08:51 PM   #116 
                                - I'll believe it when I see it  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 09:02 PM   #119 
                                   - Yes, You Will  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 09:22 AM   #141 
                                - Minnesota Care  mzmolly   Mar-11-10 11:14 PM   #132 
                                   - But the income levels for it are pretty low  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 11:32 PM   #134 
                                      - We qualified quite some time ago when my husband was between jobs.  mzmolly   Mar-11-10 11:55 PM   #136 
                          - +1  mzmolly   Mar-11-10 11:12 PM   #131 
     - I really think health care should be regulated like a utility with price caps  tigereye   Mar-11-10 05:36 PM   #104 
        - That's how they do it in Germany, Switzerland, the Netherlands  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 05:46 PM   #106 
        - yes, it's so bizarre how stubborn we are in defending a system here that is  tigereye   Mar-11-10 07:33 PM   #112 
        - This legilsation is a step  mzmolly   Mar-11-10 11:15 PM   #133 
           - hmm, I really haven't read enough to get a good feel for the over-all  tigereye   Mar-12-10 01:11 PM   #161 
              - There are too many bogus talking points on both  mzmolly   Mar-12-10 01:48 PM   #166 
                 - yes, I think many of the points seem fine, particularly stopping refusals for  tigereye   Mar-12-10 02:18 PM   #167 
                    - Agreed. Imagine if perfection was the only option people voted for  mzmolly   Mar-12-10 05:15 PM   #177 
     - The current legislation  druidity33   Mar-11-10 05:29 PM   #101 
        - Meh  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 05:51 PM   #107 
           - If it's going to be so easy to reform it, why wait to do so?  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 09:09 PM   #120 
              - I'm minded of an old song...  scarletwoman   Mar-11-10 10:23 PM   #129 
              - No One Said It Would Be Easy  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 09:27 AM   #143 
                 - You said  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-12-10 10:54 AM   #146 
                 - If You Call New Federal Regulations Coddling, Then You Have A Funny Definition  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 11:01 AM   #147 
                 - Dupe  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 11:03 AM   #148 
  - I currently have insurance through Kaiser --  Hell Hath No Fury   Mar-11-10 11:00 AM   #59 
  - Not Alone It Won't Fix It, But With Federal Regulations, MLR's  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 11:47 AM   #63 
     - "Regulations" were discussed in the OP.  bvar22   Mar-11-10 01:59 PM   #82 
        - Why Would'nt I Kick This Thread?  Beetwasher   Mar-11-10 05:58 PM   #108 
  - The three largest insurers in Minnesota are "nonprofit"  dflprincess   Mar-11-10 10:03 PM   #127 
     - Yes, and now they'll be allowed to spend 20% of their take  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 11:07 PM   #130 
     - Well, NOW There Will Be ANOTHER Federal Level Of Enforcement  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 09:32 AM   #145 
        - Actually, I believe the bills leave quite a lot of the regulation to the states  dflprincess   Mar-12-10 12:20 PM   #151 
           - They Don't Need A New Federal Agency  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 12:29 PM   #154 
              - Yeah, existing agencies are so good at enforcement  dflprincess   Mar-12-10 12:43 PM   #156 
                 - Well, The Sherrif In My Town Is Crook  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 12:46 PM   #158 
                    - One thing I notice is that supporters of the bill never seem able to  dflprincess   Mar-12-10 12:53 PM   #159 
                       - Who Said It's "Fierce"??? Where The Fuck Did I Say That???  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 01:03 PM   #160 
                          - I have read the House bill and most of the Senate bill  dflprincess   Mar-12-10 01:18 PM   #162 
                             - I'm Saavy Enough To Know To Not Waste My Time Trying To Convince You Of Anything  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 01:29 PM   #165 
                                - Savvy is not a word I would use to describe you  dflprincess   Mar-12-10 03:48 PM   #169 
                                   - How About Sweet Cheeks?  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 04:47 PM   #172 
                                      - Like all those other regulations the DOJ & other agencies are so good at enforcing?  dflprincess   Mar-12-10 04:56 PM   #174 
                                         - LOL! Well Then, Why Have Laws At All?  Beetwasher   Mar-12-10 05:00 PM   #176 
  - "Herd" is the operative word -- we are nothing but herd animals to the Owner Class.  scarletwoman   Mar-10-10 08:56 PM   #10 
  - What a well constructed post! Congrats! Well done.  saracat   Mar-10-10 09:17 PM   #17 
  - bvar22' s the best, huh? nt  laughingliberal   Mar-10-10 10:16 PM   #33 
  - It will be a uniquely American experiment if it passes.  subterranean   Mar-10-10 09:57 PM   #29 
  - Yes.  laughingliberal   Mar-10-10 10:17 PM   #34 
  - At the rate we're going?  cornermouse   Mar-11-10 02:43 AM   #40 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Mar-10-10 10:19 PM   #36 
  - sad but every word is true  yurbud   Mar-10-10 10:34 PM   #37 
  - Damn straight.  texanwitch   Mar-10-10 10:38 PM   #38 
  - ahem.  cornermouse   Mar-11-10 02:40 AM   #39 
  - +1000  laughingliberal   Mar-11-10 12:32 PM   #72 
  - Amen. Please THINK this through? ... don't look back at this like the Bankster Bailout and  ShortnFiery   Mar-11-10 06:36 AM   #43 
  - On one program I was watching yesterday, someone mentioned  Vinca   Mar-11-10 06:38 AM   #44 
  - I have several Plan B's in mind for if this stinking pile passes  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 11:00 AM   #60 
  - Please see response 89.  truedelphi   Mar-11-10 04:10 PM   #90 
  - that is kind of bizarre, isn't it?  tigereye   Mar-11-10 05:44 PM   #105 
  - There was a great post the other day quoting FDL: "If the insurance co.s are so EVIL, why are you  scarletwoman   Mar-12-10 12:02 AM   #137 
  - k/r  Echo In Light   Mar-11-10 10:47 AM   #54 
  - +1  area51   Mar-11-10 10:59 AM   #58 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-11-10 12:29 PM   #71 
  - Kicking for telling it straight! nt  laughingliberal   Mar-11-10 12:33 PM   #73 
  - K & R  DisgustedInMN   Mar-11-10 12:46 PM   #74 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Mar-11-10 01:48 PM   #79 
  - Tomorrow my husband and I are forming an insurance company known as Vichy Care  truedelphi   Mar-11-10 03:56 PM   #89 
  - lol +1 ^ n/t  upi402   Mar-11-10 04:14 PM   #92 
  - You need a catchy motto - how about "Immediate Denial for Immediate Peace of Mind?"  Vinca   Mar-11-10 04:21 PM   #94 
  - I take it that you want a postion in our Marketing Department  truedelphi   Mar-11-10 04:51 PM   #97 
     - Count me in as a lobbyist. I want to woo Republicans with Chinese-made trinkets.  Vinca   Mar-12-10 07:32 AM   #139 
        - Consider it done. n/t  truedelphi   Mar-12-10 01:19 PM   #164 
  - Greetings! As a newly forming corporate entity smelting from the cauldron of shared denial...  bridgit   Mar-11-10 04:58 PM   #98 
  - As soon as I finish reading the "DO It Yourself Mergers" and other  truedelphi   Mar-11-10 05:15 PM   #100 
  - You're most welcome, and do keep us in mind though remember we have a special...  bridgit   Mar-11-10 09:41 PM   #126 
  - yeehaw!  bridgit   Mar-11-10 09:34 PM   #122 
  - ROFL  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-11-10 11:34 PM   #135 
  - And a stop loss in the same amount, per family member! nt  puebloknot   Mar-12-10 04:03 PM   #171 
  - This makes me want to brush the dust off of my old insurance license ...  puebloknot   Mar-12-10 02:44 AM   #138 
  - that name is simply  truedelphi   Mar-12-10 01:18 PM   #163 
     - Oh, wait! Didn't I tell you? I'm starting a new company dedicated to ...  puebloknot   Mar-12-10 04:02 PM   #170 
  - I'll sign up  dflprincess   Mar-12-10 03:37 PM   #168 
  - roflmao  autorank   Mar-14-10 12:23 AM   #179 
  - You nailed it .  Autumn   Mar-11-10 04:18 PM   #93 
  - Big recommend  jonathon   Mar-11-10 05:36 PM   #103 
  - Careful, friend ...... Gumby gunna come bite your ass.  Stinky The Clown   Mar-11-10 07:42 PM   #113 
  - Great post bvar22.  hulka38   Mar-11-10 07:52 PM   #114 
  - So Much Honesty  onpatrol98   Mar-11-10 08:01 PM   #115 
  - Too late to rec but here's a big ole KICK!  Myrina   Mar-11-10 08:54 PM   #117 
  - K&R  Bryn   Mar-11-10 08:58 PM   #118 
  - Kicking this up. I'm just sorry I can't recommend it.  David Zephyr   Mar-11-10 09:38 PM   #125 
  - K & wish I could R  Oilwellian   Mar-12-10 08:32 AM   #140 
  - Amazing isn't it. I've had a funny feeling since the election  walldude   Mar-12-10 04:58 PM   #175 
 

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