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Thu Mar-11-10 11:06 AM
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| 135. This bill isn't about health care, it's about MANDATED PROFITS FOR INSURANCE CORPORATIONS |
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If left up to the Republicans, we would be forced to buy corporate medical insurance IF we can afford it or, as Grayson put it, die if we cannot. The Democrats in Congress (and White House) serve the SAME health care corporations/campaign contributors as the Republicans. However, there is a difference -- the Republicans would coerce us into buying corporate medical "care" by necessity, the Democrats want to mandate we buy it by force of LAW with the threat of expensive FINES or imprisonment. They even plan to use the IRS to enforce the fines. The so called health care reform bill is in reality a MANDATED PROFITS bill for the health insurance industry Democrats are pushing for a forcible mandate for everyone to buy insurance from an artificial, monopoly market place with no options OTHER than corporate insurance. If you are over 50 years of age, you can be charged 3 TIMES AS MUCH for your coverage. Plus, when the system goes bust from the overhead, and can no longer provide coverage because of unconstrained corporate greed (think 38% increases in premiums) -- people will (a)go broke trying to pay for mandated insurance premiums, (b)get FINED or possibly go to jail for failure to pay fines or (c)DIE. It is a cruel hoax and ultimately meaningless choice. It is like giving a condemned person a choice of the method of their execution. For the first time in American history, Democrats are about to pass a bill that uses the coercive power of the federal government to force every American -- simply by virtue of being an American -- to purchase the products of a private company. At heart, the Democrats' solution to 48 million uninsured is to force the them to buy inadequate private insurance -- with potentially high deductibles and co-pays and no price controls -- or be fined by the federal government."
We deserve better than this. I hope there are still some Democrats in the House of Representatives that have the honesty and courage to stand up and say NO to passing the Senate version of their Corporate Health Insurance Profits Protection Act, since the Senate and White House have obviously sold us out on health care reform.
One thing is certain. If the Democrats persist in this it spells the END of the Democratic party (thank you, DLC). They will be wiped out in the next 2 elections and there will be nothing left of the Democrats. YOU must tell them that. The only thing that can stop the corporate mandates is if THEY finally understand that they are no longer fooling YOU, the VOTERS.
These "chains" aren't what we can believe in, nor should we.
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| -Some Pro-Mandate People Have Gone too Far |
20score |
Mar-10-10 03:23 PM |
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This hits the nail on the head |
Cronus Protagonist |
Mar-10-10 03:26 PM |
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The dirty fucking hippies will blamed no matter what happens. |
Hello_Kitty |
Mar-10-10 03:33 PM |
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Zing! Nailed it |
Echo In Light |
Mar-10-10 03:46 PM |
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+1 |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:43 PM |
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THIS |
Ignis |
Mar-10-10 05:21 PM |
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Yep, just like they lost the Viet Nam War. |
20score |
Mar-10-10 06:52 PM |
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DLC, that's how they roll. nt |
glitch |
Mar-10-10 08:43 PM |
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Peace Freaks, you mean. The Peace Freaks will be blamed. |
closeupready |
Mar-10-10 10:50 PM |
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Kucinich is the powerful evil mastermind behind the entire right wing |
Oregone |
Mar-10-10 03:34 PM |
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. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:44 PM |
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K/R |
Autumn |
Mar-10-10 03:35 PM |
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yep |
DrDan |
Mar-10-10 03:40 PM |
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What I can't figure out is |
dflprincess |
Mar-10-10 03:38 PM |
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In Magical Future Fairy Dust Land, anything is possible. |
Hello_Kitty |
Mar-10-10 03:42 PM |
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If they hate the mandate, they're going to blame the Democrats |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-10-10 03:54 PM |
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The Republicans pulled this same move with the bank bailout. |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-10-10 08:32 PM |
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+1... Amazing that Obama & the dem congress are about to make the most radical RW agenda |
gulfcoastliberal |
Mar-10-10 09:28 PM |
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Exactly. |
inna |
Mar-12-10 09:55 AM |
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You're right... |
Raksha |
Mar-13-10 02:50 AM |
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Good point! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-10-10 03:45 PM |
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You are assuming they actually WANT fixes. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Mar-10-10 04:19 PM |
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No I'm not |
dflprincess |
Mar-10-10 09:03 PM |
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Exactly. |
Foo Fighter |
Mar-10-10 10:04 PM |
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The propagators of that one have exposed the weakness of their position, no doubt about that. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:46 PM |
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Right After Charlie Brown kicks the football |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:15 PM |
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Bingo! |
liberation |
Mar-10-10 10:41 PM |
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It is difficult. |
kenfrequed |
Mar-11-10 08:37 AM |
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True |
liberation |
Mar-11-10 01:08 PM |
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The theory is |
jeff47 |
Mar-11-10 08:29 AM |
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Yes |
liberation |
Mar-11-10 01:13 PM |
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Yes, we point out serious problems with the legislation, and we're told |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-10-10 03:40 PM |
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Thats called playing political football with lives you pretend to care about |
Oregone |
Mar-10-10 03:45 PM |
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I'd like to get a count of all the Congresscritters who have said |
dflprincess |
Mar-10-10 03:46 PM |
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Good idea. |
Foo Fighter |
Mar-10-10 10:14 PM |
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I do think he has a magic wand. |
JoeyT |
Mar-10-10 06:03 PM |
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YOU WILL DO AS YOU ARE TOLD |
PVnRT |
Mar-11-10 08:54 AM |
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if this Congress and this President were responsible for the Civil Rights Act of 1965 |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 03:42 PM |
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That nailed it! nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-10-10 04:28 PM |
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ohh snap! |
Donnachaidh |
Mar-10-10 05:54 PM |
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Mar-10-10 07:26 PM |
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"the Lynching Reform Act"-- I am luv-ving it! n/t |
truedelphi |
Mar-11-10 02:53 AM |
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Those not willing to pay the fee |
Foo Fighter |
Mar-10-10 10:23 PM |
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LOL indeed. So it is safe to assume if the current Dems had been part of the Continental Congress... |
liberation |
Mar-10-10 11:21 PM |
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Mar-11-10 12:02 AM |
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That is really good! |
saracat |
Mar-11-10 02:53 AM |
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Exactly right. [n/t] |
stranger81 |
Mar-11-10 02:40 PM |
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markos always gave me the willies. |
elehhhhna |
Mar-10-10 03:50 PM |
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I think he was looking to put a shark to work, hardly persuasive. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:48 PM |
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You and a lot of other people n/t |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-10-10 07:14 PM |
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He has a face for the internet |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:16 PM |
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I'm with you. |
Foo Fighter |
Mar-10-10 10:26 PM |
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markos = scion of a wealthy salvadoran family linked to death squads & polluting industries & an |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-10-10 03:53 PM |
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Is there a source for this information? |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 04:24 PM |
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Google: Markos Moulitsas Zúñiga |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-10-10 04:32 PM |
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I knew none of that - but it always did seem too coincidental that |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 06:02 PM |
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Dennis is dangerous. |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-10-10 08:35 PM |
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Yep. He stood up to the banks and the privateers back in Cleveland and won. So they |
John Q. Citizen |
Mar-10-10 10:08 PM |
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Yeah, because he speaks the truth. can't have that in our fear everything society! nt |
Javaman |
Mar-11-10 08:11 AM |
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Dennis is dangerous if you are a RepucliCON only! n/t |
RoccoR5955 |
Mar-12-10 07:23 AM |
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Dennis is also dangerous to Blue Dogs who want everyone to shuddup and pass Health Care |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-12-10 09:47 AM |
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So Markos IS a CIA plant. |
RoccoR5955 |
Mar-10-10 07:52 PM |
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They were at 59 senators for Medicare expansion, now they don't have |
punkin87 |
Mar-10-10 04:07 PM |
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Is odd, no? Keep putting that out there. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:49 PM |
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Shhh. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Mar-11-10 08:25 AM |
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"It is very reminiscent of the pro war arguments of 2002 and 2003" |
Sebastian Doyle |
Mar-10-10 04:15 PM |
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Many here won't believe it. but Obama even gave Kissinger a position inside the WH. |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 04:40 PM |
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That's the New Kissinger. He is reformed. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:52 PM |
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Kissinger 2.0 |
rpannier |
Mar-10-10 05:18 PM |
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Kissinger met the Russians, not Hillary? |
upi402 |
Mar-10-10 04:53 PM |
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Funny that after all the years of political scholars explaining this stuff, an ol' |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 05:44 PM |
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but they were wrong about that not getting fooled again stuff |
pundaint |
Mar-11-10 12:06 AM |
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No Kidding, ain't that a load!!! |
mrdmk |
Mar-11-10 10:45 AM |
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There it is. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Mar-10-10 04:17 PM |
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The TBTF corporations really don't expect to take a hit in the midterms. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:56 PM |
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I read that article. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Mar-10-10 05:02 PM |
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Definitely. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 05:09 PM |
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I hear a lot of talk about we warned you not to let up. I didn't, and my reading |
pundaint |
Mar-11-10 12:10 AM |
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I don't know. |
Mithreal |
Mar-11-10 12:33 AM |
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Let me clarify, I have zero respect for WH words, I believe only actions after a lie. |
pundaint |
Mar-11-10 09:50 AM |
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Understood. |
Mithreal |
Mar-11-10 12:53 PM |
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You miss the forest for the trees. |
neuvocat |
Mar-10-10 05:01 PM |
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He's ONE person |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-10-10 05:05 PM |
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Health insurance you cannot afford to use is not health care. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 05:16 PM |
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Curb abuses |
rpannier |
Mar-10-10 05:20 PM |
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I love that "You Better Be Nice to America or We'll Bring Democracy to your Country!" |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 05:22 PM |
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Not half as painful as it is for the people of the country we bring it to |
rpannier |
Mar-10-10 05:27 PM |
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. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 05:30 PM |
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And what pray tell would those provisions to prevent abuses be exactly ? n/t? |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 05:47 PM |
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Why "They'll be watching, and evaluating," of course. And if the insurance |
pundaint |
Mar-11-10 12:14 AM |
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Oh,yeah, the old watching and evaluating phenomena. |
truedelphi |
Mar-11-10 02:09 AM |
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AND, you can prove that outrageous statement, HOW????????? |
pattmarty |
Mar-11-10 07:00 AM |
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Viewing a twig from the wrong perspective makes it look like a forest. |
pundaint |
Mar-11-10 09:57 AM |
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You're on point ... EXACTLY!!! nt |
Raine |
Mar-10-10 05:04 PM |
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Seriously... |
xocet |
Mar-10-10 05:26 PM |
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Markos Moulitsas is a grandstanding tool and attention whore!!!! |
KG |
Mar-10-10 05:49 PM |
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He is indeed. |
Kitty Herder |
Mar-10-10 06:02 PM |
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+1 |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:05 PM |
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Man, you're on a roll. |
ihavenobias |
Mar-10-10 05:53 PM |
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I wanted to SMACK Moulitsas . . . |
Krashkopf |
Mar-10-10 06:15 PM |
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I noticed that too. |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:06 PM |
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I was taken aback by Kos' behavior. It was embarassingly intellectually dishonest |
Hissyspit |
Mar-10-10 07:18 PM |
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Not that I see. |
20score |
Mar-10-10 09:04 PM |
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Give me 30,000,000 new insurance company premium payees |
followthemoney |
Mar-10-10 07:48 PM |
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That little punk Markos was a Reagan republican who worked to get R- Henry Hyde elected! |
flyarm |
Mar-10-10 07:48 PM |
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To leave the insurance industry in the loop at all, I'm afraid is a deal breaker for me. |
jotsy |
Mar-10-10 08:10 PM |
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I have no clue as to who Markos Moulitsas is... |
DisgustedInMN |
Mar-10-10 08:21 PM |
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Thanks for the well written and concise analysis. I agree with you. |
John Q. Citizen |
Mar-10-10 09:59 PM |
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He couldnt even keep a straight face while |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:05 PM |
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anybody notice a curious lack of response from the gatekeepers? |
frylock |
Mar-10-10 10:31 PM |
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uncanny lack of ignoreds |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:32 PM |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
Mar-10-10 10:45 PM |
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"For that reason this bill is not only bad policy, it is bad politics. " |
ProSense |
Mar-10-10 11:08 PM |
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Markos is the hypocrite..he was against the senate bill ..until he was for it!! |
flyarm |
Mar-10-10 11:21 PM |
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The Senate bill has been reconciled with the House bill in the President's proposal. |
ProSense |
Mar-10-10 11:27 PM |
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Except that we have to wait until 2017. Some "improvement" n/t |
eridani |
Mar-10-10 11:27 PM |
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How long if the bill is killed? n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-10-10 11:28 PM |
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well if a real "reform" bill was produced ..i think real reform would fly through! |
flyarm |
Mar-10-10 11:37 PM |
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If? |
ProSense |
Mar-10-10 11:41 PM |
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Any worthwhile sections of the bill can be passed separately n/t |
eridani |
Mar-10-10 11:41 PM |
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Thanks knr - I see Markos also blames Nader for Bush and the evils under |
slipslidingaway |
Mar-10-10 11:09 PM |
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Every time Marikos opens his mouth, he proves yet again he is a one-trick pony, |
Raster |
Mar-11-10 09:33 AM |
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Et tu, Brutus? |
SandWalker1984 |
Mar-10-10 11:29 PM |
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or how hard did Markos CIA handlers have to squeeze his balls? eom |
flyarm |
Mar-10-10 11:34 PM |
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Et tu, Brutus - part II |
SandWalker1984 |
Mar-10-10 11:55 PM |
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Does anyone ever pay any attention |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-11-10 12:07 AM |
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I was shocked when I heard Markos call Kucinich "reprehensible." |
Bette Noir |
Mar-10-10 11:48 PM |
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I would never call Markos a progressive..he is a self declared Libertarian/republican |
flyarm |
Mar-11-10 12:00 AM |
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Well, Kos my ass! |
Prof Lester |
Mar-11-10 12:12 AM |
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Markos' forums are clunky |
Jax |
Mar-11-10 01:37 AM |
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Hmmmm...fixed like the Medicare Drug plan give away to Big Pharma |
emsimon33 |
Mar-11-10 02:47 AM |
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Moulitsas said "I have always hated him." |
Norrin Radd |
Mar-11-10 03:36 AM |
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nor 9/11..eom |
flyarm |
Mar-11-10 08:23 AM |
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Yeah- hates him for being a purity troll |
Capn Sunshine |
Mar-11-10 04:24 PM |
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Hate is hate, no matter how you slice it. And it is hardly disinfo |
Norrin Radd |
Mar-13-10 02:06 AM |
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Thank you, 20score! |
Enthusiast |
Mar-11-10 04:17 AM |
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How dare Kos not trash Obama. Doesn't he understand? This is not about governing a whole country |
Hamlette |
Mar-11-10 05:05 AM |
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MARKOS DID SLAM OBAMA AND THIS BULLSHIT PLAN..HE WAS BASHING OBAMA |
flyarm |
Mar-11-10 08:25 AM |
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Here's why it's not bad politics |
Vattel |
Mar-11-10 05:22 AM |
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Yup, it is unbelievable bad distribution of power |
zipplewrath |
Mar-11-10 07:52 AM |
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Are they still banning members over at KOS for stating Selection 2000 and 2004 were stolen? |
Raster |
Mar-11-10 06:57 AM |
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YES... |
flyarm |
Mar-11-10 08:29 AM |
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pro-mandate people gone too far... |
Tennessee ploughboy |
Mar-11-10 08:22 AM |
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when Markos attacks DK..he attacks all Liberal Democrats! he attacks you and I .. |
flyarm |
Mar-11-10 09:16 AM |
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Dennis Kucinich is a Patriot not a Political Hack without |
SlingBlade |
Mar-11-10 09:17 AM |
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Call Me Naive or Just Plain Stupid, but ... |
Kweli4Real |
Mar-11-10 10:13 AM |
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wrong |
Yuugal |
Mar-11-10 01:05 PM |
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And what about the subsidies? |
Kweli4Real |
Mar-11-10 02:38 PM |
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you would have to be working class to understand |
Yuugal |
Mar-11-10 03:24 PM |
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You make an awful lot of assumptions. |
Pithlet |
Mar-11-10 03:41 PM |
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the bill was written by lobbyists |
Yuugal |
Mar-11-10 04:59 PM |
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This bill isn't about health care, it's about MANDATED PROFITS FOR INSURANCE CORPORATIONS |
SandWalker1984 |
Mar-11-10 11:06 AM |
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Has Moulitsas been offered a job by Rahm Emanuel or does Emanual have some dirt on him? |
Better Believe It |
Mar-11-10 12:04 PM |
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Damn straight.... |
daleanime |
Mar-11-10 12:59 PM |
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k & r n/t |
ejbr |
Mar-11-10 01:11 PM |
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Well said |
DirkGently |
Mar-11-10 01:18 PM |
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"Actually, they do. Better than most - by a long shot." |
guruoo |
Mar-11-10 01:23 PM |
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K&R |
Faryn Balyncd |
Mar-11-10 02:25 PM |
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Does no one on the Left |
shimmergal |
Mar-11-10 03:09 PM |
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+1^ |
upi402 |
Mar-11-10 03:43 PM |
#151 |