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135. This bill isn't about health care, it's about MANDATED PROFITS FOR INSURANCE CORPORATIONS
If left up to the Republicans, we would be forced to buy
corporate medical insurance IF we can afford it or, as Grayson put it, die if we cannot.

The Democrats in Congress (and White House) serve the SAME health care corporations/campaign contributors as the Republicans.

However, there is a difference -- the Republicans would coerce us into buying corporate medical "care" by necessity, the Democrats
want to mandate we buy it by force of LAW with the threat of expensive FINES or imprisonment. They even plan to use the IRS to enforce the fines. The so called health care reform bill is in reality a MANDATED PROFITS bill for the health insurance industry


Democrats are pushing for a forcible mandate for everyone to buy insurance from an artificial, monopoly market place with no options OTHER than corporate insurance. If you are over 50 years of age, you can be charged 3 TIMES AS MUCH for your coverage. Plus, when the system goes bust from the overhead, and can no longer provide coverage because of unconstrained corporate greed (think 38% increases in premiums) -- people will (a)go broke trying to pay for mandated insurance premiums, (b)get FINED or possibly go to jail for failure to pay fines or (c)DIE.

It is a cruel hoax and ultimately meaningless choice. It is like giving a condemned person a choice of the method of their execution.


For the first time in American history, Democrats are about to pass a bill that uses the coercive power of the federal government to force every American -- simply by virtue of being an American -- to purchase the products of a private company. At heart, the Democrats' solution to 48 million uninsured is to force the them to buy inadequate private insurance -- with potentially high deductibles and co-pays and no price controls -- or be fined by the federal government."

We deserve better than this. I hope there are still some Democrats in the House of Representatives that have the honesty and courage to stand up and say NO to passing the Senate version of their Corporate Health Insurance Profits Protection Act, since the Senate and White House have obviously sold us out on health care reform.

One thing is certain. If the Democrats persist in this
it spells the END of the Democratic party (thank you, DLC). They will be wiped out in the next 2 elections and there will be nothing left of the Democrats.
YOU must tell them that.

The only thing that can stop the corporate mandates is if THEY finally understand that they are no longer fooling YOU, the VOTERS.




These "chains" aren't what we can believe in, nor should we.

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  -Some Pro-Mandate People Have Gone too Far 20score  Mar-10-10 03:23 PM   #0 
  - This hits the nail on the head  Cronus Protagonist   Mar-10-10 03:26 PM   #1 
  - The dirty fucking hippies will blamed no matter what happens.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-10-10 03:33 PM   #2 
  - Zing! Nailed it  Echo In Light   Mar-10-10 03:46 PM   #13 
  - +1  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:43 PM   #25 
  - THIS  Ignis   Mar-10-10 05:21 PM   #41 
  - Yep, just like they lost the Viet Nam War.  20score   Mar-10-10 06:52 PM   #55 
  - DLC, that's how they roll. nt  glitch   Mar-10-10 08:43 PM   #66 
  - Peace Freaks, you mean. The Peace Freaks will be blamed.  closeupready   Mar-10-10 10:50 PM   #85 
  - Kucinich is the powerful evil mastermind behind the entire right wing  Oregone   Mar-10-10 03:34 PM   #3 
  - .  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:44 PM   #26 
  - K/R  Autumn   Mar-10-10 03:35 PM   #4 
  - yep  DrDan   Mar-10-10 03:40 PM   #6 
  - What I can't figure out is  dflprincess   Mar-10-10 03:38 PM   #5 
  - In Magical Future Fairy Dust Land, anything is possible.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-10-10 03:42 PM   #8 
  - If they hate the mandate, they're going to blame the Democrats  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-10-10 03:54 PM   #16 
     - The Republicans pulled this same move with the bank bailout.  Jackpine Radical   Mar-10-10 08:32 PM   #64 
     - +1... Amazing that Obama & the dem congress are about to make the most radical RW agenda  gulfcoastliberal   Mar-10-10 09:28 PM   #69 
     - Exactly.  inna   Mar-12-10 09:55 AM   #156 
     - You're right...  Raksha   Mar-13-10 02:50 AM   #158 
  - Good point!  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-10-10 03:45 PM   #10 
  - You are assuming they actually WANT fixes.  Hell Hath No Fury   Mar-10-10 04:19 PM   #20 
  - No I'm not  dflprincess   Mar-10-10 09:03 PM   #67 
  - Exactly.  Foo Fighter   Mar-10-10 10:04 PM   #71 
  - The propagators of that one have exposed the weakness of their position, no doubt about that.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:46 PM   #27 
  - Right After Charlie Brown kicks the football  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:15 PM   #77 
  - Bingo!  liberation   Mar-10-10 10:41 PM   #83 
  - It is difficult.  kenfrequed   Mar-11-10 08:37 AM   #126 
     - True  liberation   Mar-11-10 01:08 PM   #140 
  - The theory is  jeff47   Mar-11-10 08:29 AM   #125 
     - Yes  liberation   Mar-11-10 01:13 PM   #142 
  - Yes, we point out serious problems with the legislation, and we're told  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-10-10 03:40 PM   #7 
  - Thats called playing political football with lives you pretend to care about  Oregone   Mar-10-10 03:45 PM   #11 
  - I'd like to get a count of all the Congresscritters who have said  dflprincess   Mar-10-10 03:46 PM   #12 
  - Good idea.  Foo Fighter   Mar-10-10 10:14 PM   #76 
  - I do think he has a magic wand.  JoeyT   Mar-10-10 06:03 PM   #53 
  - YOU WILL DO AS YOU ARE TOLD  PVnRT   Mar-11-10 08:54 AM   #127 
  - if this Congress and this President were responsible for the Civil Rights Act of 1965  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 03:42 PM   #9 
  - That nailed it! nt  laughingliberal   Mar-10-10 04:28 PM   #22 
  - ohh snap!  Donnachaidh   Mar-10-10 05:54 PM   #50 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-10-10 07:26 PM   #58 
  - "the Lynching Reform Act"-- I am luv-ving it! n/t  truedelphi   Mar-11-10 02:53 AM   #110 
  - Those not willing to pay the fee  Foo Fighter   Mar-10-10 10:23 PM   #79 
  - LOL indeed. So it is safe to assume if the current Dems had been part of the Continental Congress...  liberation   Mar-10-10 11:21 PM   #88 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-11-10 12:02 AM   #100 
  - That is really good!  saracat   Mar-11-10 02:53 AM   #111 
  - Exactly right. [n/t]  stranger81   Mar-11-10 02:40 PM   #147 
  - markos always gave me the willies.  elehhhhna   Mar-10-10 03:50 PM   #14 
  - I think he was looking to put a shark to work, hardly persuasive.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:48 PM   #28 
  - You and a lot of other people n/t  sabrina 1   Mar-10-10 07:14 PM   #56 
  - He has a face for the internet  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:16 PM   #78 
  - I'm with you.  Foo Fighter   Mar-10-10 10:26 PM   #80 
  - markos = scion of a wealthy salvadoran family linked to death squads & polluting industries & an  Hannah Bell   Mar-10-10 03:53 PM   #15 
  - Is there a source for this information?  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 04:24 PM   #21 
     - Google: Markos Moulitsas Zúñiga  Hannah Bell   Mar-10-10 04:32 PM   #23 
        - I knew none of that - but it always did seem too coincidental that  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 06:02 PM   #51 
        - Dennis is dangerous.  Jackpine Radical   Mar-10-10 08:35 PM   #65 
           - Yep. He stood up to the banks and the privateers back in Cleveland and won. So they  John Q. Citizen   Mar-10-10 10:08 PM   #75 
           - Yeah, because he speaks the truth. can't have that in our fear everything society! nt  Javaman   Mar-11-10 08:11 AM   #119 
           - Dennis is dangerous if you are a RepucliCON only! n/t  RoccoR5955   Mar-12-10 07:23 AM   #154 
              - Dennis is also dangerous to Blue Dogs who want everyone to shuddup and pass Health Care  Jackpine Radical   Mar-12-10 09:47 AM   #155 
        - So Markos IS a CIA plant.  RoccoR5955   Mar-10-10 07:52 PM   #61 
  - They were at 59 senators for Medicare expansion, now they don't have  punkin87   Mar-10-10 04:07 PM   #17 
  - Is odd, no? Keep putting that out there.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:49 PM   #29 
  - Shhh.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-11-10 08:25 AM   #122 
  - "It is very reminiscent of the pro war arguments of 2002 and 2003"  Sebastian Doyle   Mar-10-10 04:15 PM   #18 
  - Many here won't believe it. but Obama even gave Kissinger a position inside the WH.  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 04:40 PM   #24 
     - That's the New Kissinger. He is reformed.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:52 PM   #30 
     - Kissinger 2.0  rpannier   Mar-10-10 05:18 PM   #39 
     - Kissinger met the Russians, not Hillary?  upi402   Mar-10-10 04:53 PM   #31 
        - Funny that after all the years of political scholars explaining this stuff, an ol'  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 05:44 PM   #46 
        - but they were wrong about that not getting fooled again stuff  pundaint   Mar-11-10 12:06 AM   #101 
        - No Kidding, ain't that a load!!!  mrdmk   Mar-11-10 10:45 AM   #134 
  - There it is.  Hell Hath No Fury   Mar-10-10 04:17 PM   #19 
  - The TBTF corporations really don't expect to take a hit in the midterms.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:56 PM   #32 
     - I read that article.  Hell Hath No Fury   Mar-10-10 05:02 PM   #34 
     - Definitely.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 05:09 PM   #37 
     - I hear a lot of talk about we warned you not to let up. I didn't, and my reading  pundaint   Mar-11-10 12:10 AM   #103 
        - I don't know.  Mithreal   Mar-11-10 12:33 AM   #106 
           - Let me clarify, I have zero respect for WH words, I believe only actions after a lie.  pundaint   Mar-11-10 09:50 AM   #131 
              - Understood.  Mithreal   Mar-11-10 12:53 PM   #137 
  - You miss the forest for the trees.  neuvocat   Mar-10-10 05:01 PM   #33 
  - He's ONE person  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-10-10 05:05 PM   #36 
  - Health insurance you cannot afford to use is not health care.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 05:16 PM   #38 
  - Curb abuses  rpannier   Mar-10-10 05:20 PM   #40 
     - I love that "You Better Be Nice to America or We'll Bring Democracy to your Country!"  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 05:22 PM   #42 
        - Not half as painful as it is for the people of the country we bring it to  rpannier   Mar-10-10 05:27 PM   #44 
           - .  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 05:30 PM   #45 
  - And what pray tell would those provisions to prevent abuses be exactly ? n/t?  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 05:47 PM   #47 
  - Why "They'll be watching, and evaluating," of course. And if the insurance  pundaint   Mar-11-10 12:14 AM   #105 
     - Oh,yeah, the old watching and evaluating phenomena.  truedelphi   Mar-11-10 02:09 AM   #108 
  - AND, you can prove that outrageous statement, HOW?????????  pattmarty   Mar-11-10 07:00 AM   #117 
  - Viewing a twig from the wrong perspective makes it look like a forest.  pundaint   Mar-11-10 09:57 AM   #132 
  - You're on point ... EXACTLY!!! nt  Raine   Mar-10-10 05:04 PM   #35 
  - Seriously...  xocet   Mar-10-10 05:26 PM   #43 
  - Markos Moulitsas is a grandstanding tool and attention whore!!!!  KG   Mar-10-10 05:49 PM   #48 
  - He is indeed.  Kitty Herder   Mar-10-10 06:02 PM   #52 
  - +1  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:05 PM   #73 
  - Man, you're on a roll.  ihavenobias   Mar-10-10 05:53 PM   #49 
  - I wanted to SMACK Moulitsas . . .  Krashkopf   Mar-10-10 06:15 PM   #54 
  - I noticed that too.  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:06 PM   #74 
  - I was taken aback by Kos' behavior. It was embarassingly intellectually dishonest  Hissyspit   Mar-10-10 07:18 PM   #57 
  - Not that I see.  20score   Mar-10-10 09:04 PM   #68 
  - Give me 30,000,000 new insurance company premium payees  followthemoney   Mar-10-10 07:48 PM   #59 
  - That little punk Markos was a Reagan republican who worked to get R- Henry Hyde elected!  flyarm   Mar-10-10 07:48 PM   #60 
  - To leave the insurance industry in the loop at all, I'm afraid is a deal breaker for me.  jotsy   Mar-10-10 08:10 PM   #62 
  - I have no clue as to who Markos Moulitsas is...  DisgustedInMN   Mar-10-10 08:21 PM   #63 
  - Thanks for the well written and concise analysis. I agree with you.  John Q. Citizen   Mar-10-10 09:59 PM   #70 
  - He couldnt even keep a straight face while  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:05 PM   #72 
  - anybody notice a curious lack of response from the gatekeepers?  frylock   Mar-10-10 10:31 PM   #81 
  - uncanny lack of ignoreds  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:32 PM   #82 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Mar-10-10 10:45 PM   #84 
  - "For that reason this bill is not only bad policy, it is bad politics. "  ProSense   Mar-10-10 11:08 PM   #86 
  - Markos is the hypocrite..he was against the senate bill ..until he was for it!!  flyarm   Mar-10-10 11:21 PM   #89 
  - The Senate bill has been reconciled with the House bill in the President's proposal.  ProSense   Mar-10-10 11:27 PM   # 
  - Except that we have to wait until 2017. Some "improvement" n/t  eridani   Mar-10-10 11:27 PM   #90 
     - How long if the bill is killed? n/t  ProSense   Mar-10-10 11:28 PM   #91 
        - well if a real "reform" bill was produced ..i think real reform would fly through!  flyarm   Mar-10-10 11:37 PM   #94 
        - If?  ProSense   Mar-10-10 11:41 PM   #95 
        - Any worthwhile sections of the bill can be passed separately n/t  eridani   Mar-10-10 11:41 PM   #96 
  - Thanks knr - I see Markos also blames Nader for Bush and the evils under  slipslidingaway   Mar-10-10 11:09 PM   #87 
  - Every time Marikos opens his mouth, he proves yet again he is a one-trick pony,  Raster   Mar-11-10 09:33 AM   #130 
  - Et tu, Brutus?  SandWalker1984   Mar-10-10 11:29 PM   #92 
  - or how hard did Markos CIA handlers have to squeeze his balls? eom  flyarm   Mar-10-10 11:34 PM   #93 
  - Et tu, Brutus - part II  SandWalker1984   Mar-10-10 11:55 PM   #98 
  - Does anyone ever pay any attention  sabrina 1   Mar-11-10 12:07 AM   #102 
  - I was shocked when I heard Markos call Kucinich "reprehensible."  Bette Noir   Mar-10-10 11:48 PM   #97 
  - I would never call Markos a progressive..he is a self declared Libertarian/republican  flyarm   Mar-11-10 12:00 AM   #99 
  - Well, Kos my ass!  Prof Lester   Mar-11-10 12:12 AM   #104 
  - Markos' forums are clunky  Jax   Mar-11-10 01:37 AM   #107 
  - Hmmmm...fixed like the Medicare Drug plan give away to Big Pharma  emsimon33   Mar-11-10 02:47 AM   #109 
  - Moulitsas said "I have always hated him."  Norrin Radd   Mar-11-10 03:36 AM   #112 
  - nor 9/11..eom  flyarm   Mar-11-10 08:23 AM   #121 
  - Yeah- hates him for being a purity troll  Capn Sunshine   Mar-11-10 04:24 PM   #152 
     - Hate is hate, no matter how you slice it. And it is hardly disinfo  Norrin Radd   Mar-13-10 02:06 AM   #157 
  - Thank you, 20score!  Enthusiast   Mar-11-10 04:17 AM   #113 
  - How dare Kos not trash Obama. Doesn't he understand? This is not about governing a whole country  Hamlette   Mar-11-10 05:05 AM   #114 
  - MARKOS DID SLAM OBAMA AND THIS BULLSHIT PLAN..HE WAS BASHING OBAMA  flyarm   Mar-11-10 08:25 AM   #123 
  - Here's why it's not bad politics  Vattel   Mar-11-10 05:22 AM   #115 
  - Yup, it is unbelievable bad distribution of power  zipplewrath   Mar-11-10 07:52 AM   #118 
  - Are they still banning members over at KOS for stating Selection 2000 and 2004 were stolen?  Raster   Mar-11-10 06:57 AM   #116 
  - YES...  flyarm   Mar-11-10 08:29 AM   #124 
  - pro-mandate people gone too far...  Tennessee ploughboy   Mar-11-10 08:22 AM   #120 
  - when Markos attacks DK..he attacks all Liberal Democrats! he attacks you and I ..  flyarm   Mar-11-10 09:16 AM   #128 
  - Dennis Kucinich is a Patriot not a Political Hack without  SlingBlade   Mar-11-10 09:17 AM   #129 
  - Call Me Naive or Just Plain Stupid, but ...  Kweli4Real   Mar-11-10 10:13 AM   #133 
  - wrong  Yuugal   Mar-11-10 01:05 PM   #139 
     - And what about the subsidies?  Kweli4Real   Mar-11-10 02:38 PM   #146 
        - you would have to be working class to understand  Yuugal   Mar-11-10 03:24 PM   #149 
           - You make an awful lot of assumptions.  Pithlet   Mar-11-10 03:41 PM   #150 
              - the bill was written by lobbyists  Yuugal   Mar-11-10 04:59 PM   #153 
  - This bill isn't about health care, it's about MANDATED PROFITS FOR INSURANCE CORPORATIONS  SandWalker1984   Mar-11-10 11:06 AM   #135 
  - Has Moulitsas been offered a job by Rahm Emanuel or does Emanual have some dirt on him?  Better Believe It   Mar-11-10 12:04 PM   #136 
  - Damn straight....  daleanime   Mar-11-10 12:59 PM   #138 
  - k & r n/t  ejbr   Mar-11-10 01:11 PM   #141 
  - Well said  DirkGently   Mar-11-10 01:18 PM   #143 
  - "Actually, they do. Better than most - by a long shot."  guruoo   Mar-11-10 01:23 PM   #144 
  - K&R  Faryn Balyncd   Mar-11-10 02:25 PM   #145 
  - Does no one on the Left  shimmergal   Mar-11-10 03:09 PM   #148 
     - +1^  upi402   Mar-11-10 03:43 PM   #151 
 

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