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The Senate bill has been reconciled with the House bill in the President's proposal.
It now enjoys the support of the entire Progressive Caucus, except Kucinich.

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  -Some Pro-Mandate People Have Gone too Far 20score  Mar-10-10 03:23 PM   #0 
  - This hits the nail on the head  Cronus Protagonist   Mar-10-10 03:26 PM   #1 
  - The dirty fucking hippies will blamed no matter what happens.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-10-10 03:33 PM   #2 
  - Zing! Nailed it  Echo In Light   Mar-10-10 03:46 PM   #13 
  - +1  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:43 PM   #25 
  - THIS  Ignis   Mar-10-10 05:21 PM   #41 
  - Yep, just like they lost the Viet Nam War.  20score   Mar-10-10 06:52 PM   #55 
  - DLC, that's how they roll. nt  glitch   Mar-10-10 08:43 PM   #66 
  - Peace Freaks, you mean. The Peace Freaks will be blamed.  closeupready   Mar-10-10 10:50 PM   #85 
  - Kucinich is the powerful evil mastermind behind the entire right wing  Oregone   Mar-10-10 03:34 PM   #3 
  - .  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:44 PM   #26 
  - K/R  Autumn   Mar-10-10 03:35 PM   #4 
  - yep  DrDan   Mar-10-10 03:40 PM   #6 
  - What I can't figure out is  dflprincess   Mar-10-10 03:38 PM   #5 
  - In Magical Future Fairy Dust Land, anything is possible.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-10-10 03:42 PM   #8 
  - If they hate the mandate, they're going to blame the Democrats  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-10-10 03:54 PM   #16 
     - The Republicans pulled this same move with the bank bailout.  Jackpine Radical   Mar-10-10 08:32 PM   #64 
     - +1... Amazing that Obama & the dem congress are about to make the most radical RW agenda  gulfcoastliberal   Mar-10-10 09:28 PM   #69 
     - Exactly.  inna   Mar-12-10 09:55 AM   #156 
     - You're right...  Raksha   Mar-13-10 02:50 AM   #158 
  - Good point!  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-10-10 03:45 PM   #10 
  - You are assuming they actually WANT fixes.  Hell Hath No Fury   Mar-10-10 04:19 PM   #20 
  - No I'm not  dflprincess   Mar-10-10 09:03 PM   #67 
  - Exactly.  Foo Fighter   Mar-10-10 10:04 PM   #71 
  - The propagators of that one have exposed the weakness of their position, no doubt about that.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:46 PM   #27 
  - Right After Charlie Brown kicks the football  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:15 PM   #77 
  - Bingo!  liberation   Mar-10-10 10:41 PM   #83 
  - It is difficult.  kenfrequed   Mar-11-10 08:37 AM   #126 
     - True  liberation   Mar-11-10 01:08 PM   #140 
  - The theory is  jeff47   Mar-11-10 08:29 AM   #125 
     - Yes  liberation   Mar-11-10 01:13 PM   #142 
  - Yes, we point out serious problems with the legislation, and we're told  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-10-10 03:40 PM   #7 
  - Thats called playing political football with lives you pretend to care about  Oregone   Mar-10-10 03:45 PM   #11 
  - I'd like to get a count of all the Congresscritters who have said  dflprincess   Mar-10-10 03:46 PM   #12 
  - Good idea.  Foo Fighter   Mar-10-10 10:14 PM   #76 
  - I do think he has a magic wand.  JoeyT   Mar-10-10 06:03 PM   #53 
  - YOU WILL DO AS YOU ARE TOLD  PVnRT   Mar-11-10 08:54 AM   #127 
  - if this Congress and this President were responsible for the Civil Rights Act of 1965  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 03:42 PM   #9 
  - That nailed it! nt  laughingliberal   Mar-10-10 04:28 PM   #22 
  - ohh snap!  Donnachaidh   Mar-10-10 05:54 PM   #50 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-10-10 07:26 PM   #58 
  - "the Lynching Reform Act"-- I am luv-ving it! n/t  truedelphi   Mar-11-10 02:53 AM   #110 
  - Those not willing to pay the fee  Foo Fighter   Mar-10-10 10:23 PM   #79 
  - LOL indeed. So it is safe to assume if the current Dems had been part of the Continental Congress...  liberation   Mar-10-10 11:21 PM   #88 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-11-10 12:02 AM   #100 
  - That is really good!  saracat   Mar-11-10 02:53 AM   #111 
  - Exactly right. [n/t]  stranger81   Mar-11-10 02:40 PM   #147 
  - markos always gave me the willies.  elehhhhna   Mar-10-10 03:50 PM   #14 
  - I think he was looking to put a shark to work, hardly persuasive.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:48 PM   #28 
  - You and a lot of other people n/t  sabrina 1   Mar-10-10 07:14 PM   #56 
  - He has a face for the internet  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:16 PM   #78 
  - I'm with you.  Foo Fighter   Mar-10-10 10:26 PM   #80 
  - markos = scion of a wealthy salvadoran family linked to death squads & polluting industries & an  Hannah Bell   Mar-10-10 03:53 PM   #15 
  - Is there a source for this information?  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 04:24 PM   #21 
     - Google: Markos Moulitsas Ziga  Hannah Bell   Mar-10-10 04:32 PM   #23 
        - I knew none of that - but it always did seem too coincidental that  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 06:02 PM   #51 
        - Dennis is dangerous.  Jackpine Radical   Mar-10-10 08:35 PM   #65 
           - Yep. He stood up to the banks and the privateers back in Cleveland and won. So they  John Q. Citizen   Mar-10-10 10:08 PM   #75 
           - Yeah, because he speaks the truth. can't have that in our fear everything society! nt  Javaman   Mar-11-10 08:11 AM   #119 
           - Dennis is dangerous if you are a RepucliCON only! n/t  RoccoR5955   Mar-12-10 07:23 AM   #154 
              - Dennis is also dangerous to Blue Dogs who want everyone to shuddup and pass Health Care  Jackpine Radical   Mar-12-10 09:47 AM   #155 
        - So Markos IS a CIA plant.  RoccoR5955   Mar-10-10 07:52 PM   #61 
  - They were at 59 senators for Medicare expansion, now they don't have  punkin87   Mar-10-10 04:07 PM   #17 
  - Is odd, no? Keep putting that out there.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:49 PM   #29 
  - Shhh.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-11-10 08:25 AM   #122 
  - "It is very reminiscent of the pro war arguments of 2002 and 2003"  Sebastian Doyle   Mar-10-10 04:15 PM   #18 
  - Many here won't believe it. but Obama even gave Kissinger a position inside the WH.  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 04:40 PM   #24 
     - That's the New Kissinger. He is reformed.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:52 PM   #30 
     - Kissinger 2.0  rpannier   Mar-10-10 05:18 PM   #39 
     - Kissinger met the Russians, not Hillary?  upi402   Mar-10-10 04:53 PM   #31 
        - Funny that after all the years of political scholars explaining this stuff, an ol'  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 05:44 PM   #46 
        - but they were wrong about that not getting fooled again stuff  pundaint   Mar-11-10 12:06 AM   #101 
        - No Kidding, ain't that a load!!!  mrdmk   Mar-11-10 10:45 AM   #134 
  - There it is.  Hell Hath No Fury   Mar-10-10 04:17 PM   #19 
  - The TBTF corporations really don't expect to take a hit in the midterms.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 04:56 PM   #32 
     - I read that article.  Hell Hath No Fury   Mar-10-10 05:02 PM   #34 
     - Definitely.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 05:09 PM   #37 
     - I hear a lot of talk about we warned you not to let up. I didn't, and my reading  pundaint   Mar-11-10 12:10 AM   #103 
        - I don't know.  Mithreal   Mar-11-10 12:33 AM   #106 
           - Let me clarify, I have zero respect for WH words, I believe only actions after a lie.  pundaint   Mar-11-10 09:50 AM   #131 
              - Understood.  Mithreal   Mar-11-10 12:53 PM   #137 
  - You miss the forest for the trees.  neuvocat   Mar-10-10 05:01 PM   #33 
  - He's ONE person  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-10-10 05:05 PM   #36 
  - Health insurance you cannot afford to use is not health care.  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 05:16 PM   #38 
  - Curb abuses  rpannier   Mar-10-10 05:20 PM   #40 
     - I love that "You Better Be Nice to America or We'll Bring Democracy to your Country!"  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 05:22 PM   #42 
        - Not half as painful as it is for the people of the country we bring it to  rpannier   Mar-10-10 05:27 PM   #44 
           - .  Mithreal   Mar-10-10 05:30 PM   #45 
  - And what pray tell would those provisions to prevent abuses be exactly ? n/t?  truedelphi   Mar-10-10 05:47 PM   #47 
  - Why "They'll be watching, and evaluating," of course. And if the insurance  pundaint   Mar-11-10 12:14 AM   #105 
     - Oh,yeah, the old watching and evaluating phenomena.  truedelphi   Mar-11-10 02:09 AM   #108 
  - AND, you can prove that outrageous statement, HOW?????????  pattmarty   Mar-11-10 07:00 AM   #117 
  - Viewing a twig from the wrong perspective makes it look like a forest.  pundaint   Mar-11-10 09:57 AM   #132 
  - You're on point ... EXACTLY!!! nt  Raine   Mar-10-10 05:04 PM   #35 
  - Seriously...  xocet   Mar-10-10 05:26 PM   #43 
  - Markos Moulitsas is a grandstanding tool and attention whore!!!!  KG   Mar-10-10 05:49 PM   #48 
  - He is indeed.  Kitty Herder   Mar-10-10 06:02 PM   #52 
  - +1  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:05 PM   #73 
  - Man, you're on a roll.  ihavenobias   Mar-10-10 05:53 PM   #49 
  - I wanted to SMACK Moulitsas . . .  Krashkopf   Mar-10-10 06:15 PM   #54 
  - I noticed that too.  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:06 PM   #74 
  - I was taken aback by Kos' behavior. It was embarassingly intellectually dishonest  Hissyspit   Mar-10-10 07:18 PM   #57 
  - Not that I see.  20score   Mar-10-10 09:04 PM   #68 
  - Give me 30,000,000 new insurance company premium payees  followthemoney   Mar-10-10 07:48 PM   #59 
  - That little punk Markos was a Reagan republican who worked to get R- Henry Hyde elected!  flyarm   Mar-10-10 07:48 PM   #60 
  - To leave the insurance industry in the loop at all, I'm afraid is a deal breaker for me.  jotsy   Mar-10-10 08:10 PM   #62 
  - I have no clue as to who Markos Moulitsas is...  DisgustedInMN   Mar-10-10 08:21 PM   #63 
  - Thanks for the well written and concise analysis. I agree with you.  John Q. Citizen   Mar-10-10 09:59 PM   #70 
  - He couldnt even keep a straight face while  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:05 PM   #72 
  - anybody notice a curious lack of response from the gatekeepers?  frylock   Mar-10-10 10:31 PM   #81 
  - uncanny lack of ignoreds  Moochy   Mar-10-10 10:32 PM   #82 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Mar-10-10 10:45 PM   #84 
  - "For that reason this bill is not only bad policy, it is bad politics. "  ProSense   Mar-10-10 11:08 PM   #86 
  - Markos is the hypocrite..he was against the senate bill ..until he was for it!!  flyarm   Mar-10-10 11:21 PM   #89 
  - The Senate bill has been reconciled with the House bill in the President's proposal.  ProSense   Mar-10-10 11:27 PM   # 
  - Except that we have to wait until 2017. Some "improvement" n/t  eridani   Mar-10-10 11:27 PM   #90 
     - How long if the bill is killed? n/t  ProSense   Mar-10-10 11:28 PM   #91 
        - well if a real "reform" bill was produced ..i think real reform would fly through!  flyarm   Mar-10-10 11:37 PM   #94 
        - If?  ProSense   Mar-10-10 11:41 PM   #95 
        - Any worthwhile sections of the bill can be passed separately n/t  eridani   Mar-10-10 11:41 PM   #96 
  - Thanks knr - I see Markos also blames Nader for Bush and the evils under  slipslidingaway   Mar-10-10 11:09 PM   #87 
  - Every time Marikos opens his mouth, he proves yet again he is a one-trick pony,  Raster   Mar-11-10 09:33 AM   #130 
  - Et tu, Brutus?  SandWalker1984   Mar-10-10 11:29 PM   #92 
  - or how hard did Markos CIA handlers have to squeeze his balls? eom  flyarm   Mar-10-10 11:34 PM   #93 
  - Et tu, Brutus - part II  SandWalker1984   Mar-10-10 11:55 PM   #98 
  - Does anyone ever pay any attention  sabrina 1   Mar-11-10 12:07 AM   #102 
  - I was shocked when I heard Markos call Kucinich "reprehensible."  Bette Noir   Mar-10-10 11:48 PM   #97 
  - I would never call Markos a progressive..he is a self declared Libertarian/republican  flyarm   Mar-11-10 12:00 AM   #99 
  - Well, Kos my ass!  Prof Lester   Mar-11-10 12:12 AM   #104 
  - Markos' forums are clunky  Jax   Mar-11-10 01:37 AM   #107 
  - Hmmmm...fixed like the Medicare Drug plan give away to Big Pharma  emsimon33   Mar-11-10 02:47 AM   #109 
  - Moulitsas said "I have always hated him."  Norrin Radd   Mar-11-10 03:36 AM   #112 
  - nor 9/11..eom  flyarm   Mar-11-10 08:23 AM   #121 
  - Yeah- hates him for being a purity troll  Capn Sunshine   Mar-11-10 04:24 PM   #152 
     - Hate is hate, no matter how you slice it. And it is hardly disinfo  Norrin Radd   Mar-13-10 02:06 AM   #157 
  - Thank you, 20score!  Enthusiast   Mar-11-10 04:17 AM   #113 
  - How dare Kos not trash Obama. Doesn't he understand? This is not about governing a whole country  Hamlette   Mar-11-10 05:05 AM   #114 
  - MARKOS DID SLAM OBAMA AND THIS BULLSHIT PLAN..HE WAS BASHING OBAMA  flyarm   Mar-11-10 08:25 AM   #123 
  - Here's why it's not bad politics  Vattel   Mar-11-10 05:22 AM   #115 
  - Yup, it is unbelievable bad distribution of power  zipplewrath   Mar-11-10 07:52 AM   #118 
  - Are they still banning members over at KOS for stating Selection 2000 and 2004 were stolen?  Raster   Mar-11-10 06:57 AM   #116 
  - YES...  flyarm   Mar-11-10 08:29 AM   #124 
  - pro-mandate people gone too far...  Tennessee ploughboy   Mar-11-10 08:22 AM   #120 
  - when Markos attacks DK..he attacks all Liberal Democrats! he attacks you and I ..  flyarm   Mar-11-10 09:16 AM   #128 
  - Dennis Kucinich is a Patriot not a Political Hack without  SlingBlade   Mar-11-10 09:17 AM   #129 
  - Call Me Naive or Just Plain Stupid, but ...  Kweli4Real   Mar-11-10 10:13 AM   #133 
  - wrong  Yuugal   Mar-11-10 01:05 PM   #139 
     - And what about the subsidies?  Kweli4Real   Mar-11-10 02:38 PM   #146 
        - you would have to be working class to understand  Yuugal   Mar-11-10 03:24 PM   #149 
           - You make an awful lot of assumptions.  Pithlet   Mar-11-10 03:41 PM   #150 
              - the bill was written by lobbyists  Yuugal   Mar-11-10 04:59 PM   #153 
  - This bill isn't about health care, it's about MANDATED PROFITS FOR INSURANCE CORPORATIONS  SandWalker1984   Mar-11-10 11:06 AM   #135 
  - Has Moulitsas been offered a job by Rahm Emanuel or does Emanual have some dirt on him?  Better Believe It   Mar-11-10 12:04 PM   #136 
  - Damn straight....  daleanime   Mar-11-10 12:59 PM   #138 
  - k & r n/t  ejbr   Mar-11-10 01:11 PM   #141 
  - Well said  DirkGently   Mar-11-10 01:18 PM   #143 
  - "Actually, they do. Better than most - by a long shot."  guruoo   Mar-11-10 01:23 PM   #144 
  - K&R  Faryn Balyncd   Mar-11-10 02:25 PM   #145 
  - Does no one on the Left  shimmergal   Mar-11-10 03:09 PM   #148 
     - +1^  upi402   Mar-11-10 03:43 PM   #151 
 

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