Lydia Leftcoast
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Wed Mar-10-10 03:40 PM
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| 7. Yes, we point out serious problems with the legislation, and we're told |
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that we want people to die, that we think Obama can just wave a magic wand, that single-payer and even public option are "not politically feasible" (Clue: It's "not politically feasible" because too many Congresscritters have been bribed to work against it), and that we should be delighted to continue paying thousands of dollars a year for nothing just so a person with a pre-existing condition can pay $700 a month for high-deductible insurance instead of $2000 (never mind that for many people, $700 a month may as well be $2000).
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| -Some Pro-Mandate People Have Gone too Far |
20score |
Mar-10-10 03:23 PM |
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This hits the nail on the head |
Cronus Protagonist |
Mar-10-10 03:26 PM |
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The dirty fucking hippies will blamed no matter what happens. |
Hello_Kitty |
Mar-10-10 03:33 PM |
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Zing! Nailed it |
Echo In Light |
Mar-10-10 03:46 PM |
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+1 |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:43 PM |
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THIS |
Ignis |
Mar-10-10 05:21 PM |
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Yep, just like they lost the Viet Nam War. |
20score |
Mar-10-10 06:52 PM |
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DLC, that's how they roll. nt |
glitch |
Mar-10-10 08:43 PM |
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Peace Freaks, you mean. The Peace Freaks will be blamed. |
closeupready |
Mar-10-10 10:50 PM |
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Kucinich is the powerful evil mastermind behind the entire right wing |
Oregone |
Mar-10-10 03:34 PM |
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. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:44 PM |
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K/R |
Autumn |
Mar-10-10 03:35 PM |
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yep |
DrDan |
Mar-10-10 03:40 PM |
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What I can't figure out is |
dflprincess |
Mar-10-10 03:38 PM |
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In Magical Future Fairy Dust Land, anything is possible. |
Hello_Kitty |
Mar-10-10 03:42 PM |
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If they hate the mandate, they're going to blame the Democrats |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-10-10 03:54 PM |
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The Republicans pulled this same move with the bank bailout. |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-10-10 08:32 PM |
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+1... Amazing that Obama & the dem congress are about to make the most radical RW agenda |
gulfcoastliberal |
Mar-10-10 09:28 PM |
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Exactly. |
inna |
Mar-12-10 09:55 AM |
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You're right... |
Raksha |
Mar-13-10 02:50 AM |
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Good point! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-10-10 03:45 PM |
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You are assuming they actually WANT fixes. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Mar-10-10 04:19 PM |
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No I'm not |
dflprincess |
Mar-10-10 09:03 PM |
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Exactly. |
Foo Fighter |
Mar-10-10 10:04 PM |
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The propagators of that one have exposed the weakness of their position, no doubt about that. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:46 PM |
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Right After Charlie Brown kicks the football |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:15 PM |
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Bingo! |
liberation |
Mar-10-10 10:41 PM |
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It is difficult. |
kenfrequed |
Mar-11-10 08:37 AM |
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True |
liberation |
Mar-11-10 01:08 PM |
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The theory is |
jeff47 |
Mar-11-10 08:29 AM |
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Yes |
liberation |
Mar-11-10 01:13 PM |
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Yes, we point out serious problems with the legislation, and we're told |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-10-10 03:40 PM |
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Thats called playing political football with lives you pretend to care about |
Oregone |
Mar-10-10 03:45 PM |
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I'd like to get a count of all the Congresscritters who have said |
dflprincess |
Mar-10-10 03:46 PM |
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Good idea. |
Foo Fighter |
Mar-10-10 10:14 PM |
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I do think he has a magic wand. |
JoeyT |
Mar-10-10 06:03 PM |
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YOU WILL DO AS YOU ARE TOLD |
PVnRT |
Mar-11-10 08:54 AM |
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if this Congress and this President were responsible for the Civil Rights Act of 1965 |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 03:42 PM |
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That nailed it! nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-10-10 04:28 PM |
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ohh snap! |
Donnachaidh |
Mar-10-10 05:54 PM |
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Mar-10-10 07:26 PM |
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"the Lynching Reform Act"-- I am luv-ving it! n/t |
truedelphi |
Mar-11-10 02:53 AM |
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Those not willing to pay the fee |
Foo Fighter |
Mar-10-10 10:23 PM |
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LOL indeed. So it is safe to assume if the current Dems had been part of the Continental Congress... |
liberation |
Mar-10-10 11:21 PM |
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Mar-11-10 12:02 AM |
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That is really good! |
saracat |
Mar-11-10 02:53 AM |
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Exactly right. [n/t] |
stranger81 |
Mar-11-10 02:40 PM |
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markos always gave me the willies. |
elehhhhna |
Mar-10-10 03:50 PM |
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I think he was looking to put a shark to work, hardly persuasive. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:48 PM |
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You and a lot of other people n/t |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-10-10 07:14 PM |
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He has a face for the internet |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:16 PM |
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I'm with you. |
Foo Fighter |
Mar-10-10 10:26 PM |
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markos = scion of a wealthy salvadoran family linked to death squads & polluting industries & an |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-10-10 03:53 PM |
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Is there a source for this information? |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 04:24 PM |
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Google: Markos Moulitsas Zúñiga |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-10-10 04:32 PM |
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I knew none of that - but it always did seem too coincidental that |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 06:02 PM |
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Dennis is dangerous. |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-10-10 08:35 PM |
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Yep. He stood up to the banks and the privateers back in Cleveland and won. So they |
John Q. Citizen |
Mar-10-10 10:08 PM |
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Yeah, because he speaks the truth. can't have that in our fear everything society! nt |
Javaman |
Mar-11-10 08:11 AM |
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Dennis is dangerous if you are a RepucliCON only! n/t |
RoccoR5955 |
Mar-12-10 07:23 AM |
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Dennis is also dangerous to Blue Dogs who want everyone to shuddup and pass Health Care |
Jackpine Radical |
Mar-12-10 09:47 AM |
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So Markos IS a CIA plant. |
RoccoR5955 |
Mar-10-10 07:52 PM |
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They were at 59 senators for Medicare expansion, now they don't have |
punkin87 |
Mar-10-10 04:07 PM |
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Is odd, no? Keep putting that out there. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:49 PM |
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Shhh. |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Mar-11-10 08:25 AM |
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"It is very reminiscent of the pro war arguments of 2002 and 2003" |
Sebastian Doyle |
Mar-10-10 04:15 PM |
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Many here won't believe it. but Obama even gave Kissinger a position inside the WH. |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 04:40 PM |
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That's the New Kissinger. He is reformed. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:52 PM |
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Kissinger 2.0 |
rpannier |
Mar-10-10 05:18 PM |
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Kissinger met the Russians, not Hillary? |
upi402 |
Mar-10-10 04:53 PM |
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Funny that after all the years of political scholars explaining this stuff, an ol' |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 05:44 PM |
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but they were wrong about that not getting fooled again stuff |
pundaint |
Mar-11-10 12:06 AM |
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No Kidding, ain't that a load!!! |
mrdmk |
Mar-11-10 10:45 AM |
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There it is. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Mar-10-10 04:17 PM |
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The TBTF corporations really don't expect to take a hit in the midterms. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 04:56 PM |
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I read that article. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Mar-10-10 05:02 PM |
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Definitely. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 05:09 PM |
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I hear a lot of talk about we warned you not to let up. I didn't, and my reading |
pundaint |
Mar-11-10 12:10 AM |
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I don't know. |
Mithreal |
Mar-11-10 12:33 AM |
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Let me clarify, I have zero respect for WH words, I believe only actions after a lie. |
pundaint |
Mar-11-10 09:50 AM |
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Understood. |
Mithreal |
Mar-11-10 12:53 PM |
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You miss the forest for the trees. |
neuvocat |
Mar-10-10 05:01 PM |
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He's ONE person |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-10-10 05:05 PM |
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Health insurance you cannot afford to use is not health care. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 05:16 PM |
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Curb abuses |
rpannier |
Mar-10-10 05:20 PM |
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I love that "You Better Be Nice to America or We'll Bring Democracy to your Country!" |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 05:22 PM |
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Not half as painful as it is for the people of the country we bring it to |
rpannier |
Mar-10-10 05:27 PM |
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. |
Mithreal |
Mar-10-10 05:30 PM |
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And what pray tell would those provisions to prevent abuses be exactly ? n/t? |
truedelphi |
Mar-10-10 05:47 PM |
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Why "They'll be watching, and evaluating," of course. And if the insurance |
pundaint |
Mar-11-10 12:14 AM |
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Oh,yeah, the old watching and evaluating phenomena. |
truedelphi |
Mar-11-10 02:09 AM |
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AND, you can prove that outrageous statement, HOW????????? |
pattmarty |
Mar-11-10 07:00 AM |
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Viewing a twig from the wrong perspective makes it look like a forest. |
pundaint |
Mar-11-10 09:57 AM |
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You're on point ... EXACTLY!!! nt |
Raine |
Mar-10-10 05:04 PM |
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Seriously... |
xocet |
Mar-10-10 05:26 PM |
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Markos Moulitsas is a grandstanding tool and attention whore!!!! |
KG |
Mar-10-10 05:49 PM |
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He is indeed. |
Kitty Herder |
Mar-10-10 06:02 PM |
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+1 |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:05 PM |
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Man, you're on a roll. |
ihavenobias |
Mar-10-10 05:53 PM |
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I wanted to SMACK Moulitsas . . . |
Krashkopf |
Mar-10-10 06:15 PM |
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I noticed that too. |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:06 PM |
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I was taken aback by Kos' behavior. It was embarassingly intellectually dishonest |
Hissyspit |
Mar-10-10 07:18 PM |
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Not that I see. |
20score |
Mar-10-10 09:04 PM |
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Give me 30,000,000 new insurance company premium payees |
followthemoney |
Mar-10-10 07:48 PM |
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That little punk Markos was a Reagan republican who worked to get R- Henry Hyde elected! |
flyarm |
Mar-10-10 07:48 PM |
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To leave the insurance industry in the loop at all, I'm afraid is a deal breaker for me. |
jotsy |
Mar-10-10 08:10 PM |
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I have no clue as to who Markos Moulitsas is... |
DisgustedInMN |
Mar-10-10 08:21 PM |
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Thanks for the well written and concise analysis. I agree with you. |
John Q. Citizen |
Mar-10-10 09:59 PM |
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He couldnt even keep a straight face while |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:05 PM |
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anybody notice a curious lack of response from the gatekeepers? |
frylock |
Mar-10-10 10:31 PM |
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uncanny lack of ignoreds |
Moochy |
Mar-10-10 10:32 PM |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
Mar-10-10 10:45 PM |
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"For that reason this bill is not only bad policy, it is bad politics. " |
ProSense |
Mar-10-10 11:08 PM |
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Markos is the hypocrite..he was against the senate bill ..until he was for it!! |
flyarm |
Mar-10-10 11:21 PM |
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The Senate bill has been reconciled with the House bill in the President's proposal. |
ProSense |
Mar-10-10 11:27 PM |
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Except that we have to wait until 2017. Some "improvement" n/t |
eridani |
Mar-10-10 11:27 PM |
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How long if the bill is killed? n/t |
ProSense |
Mar-10-10 11:28 PM |
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well if a real "reform" bill was produced ..i think real reform would fly through! |
flyarm |
Mar-10-10 11:37 PM |
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If? |
ProSense |
Mar-10-10 11:41 PM |
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Any worthwhile sections of the bill can be passed separately n/t |
eridani |
Mar-10-10 11:41 PM |
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Thanks knr - I see Markos also blames Nader for Bush and the evils under |
slipslidingaway |
Mar-10-10 11:09 PM |
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Every time Marikos opens his mouth, he proves yet again he is a one-trick pony, |
Raster |
Mar-11-10 09:33 AM |
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Et tu, Brutus? |
SandWalker1984 |
Mar-10-10 11:29 PM |
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or how hard did Markos CIA handlers have to squeeze his balls? eom |
flyarm |
Mar-10-10 11:34 PM |
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Et tu, Brutus - part II |
SandWalker1984 |
Mar-10-10 11:55 PM |
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Does anyone ever pay any attention |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-11-10 12:07 AM |
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I was shocked when I heard Markos call Kucinich "reprehensible." |
Bette Noir |
Mar-10-10 11:48 PM |
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I would never call Markos a progressive..he is a self declared Libertarian/republican |
flyarm |
Mar-11-10 12:00 AM |
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Well, Kos my ass! |
Prof Lester |
Mar-11-10 12:12 AM |
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Markos' forums are clunky |
Jax |
Mar-11-10 01:37 AM |
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Hmmmm...fixed like the Medicare Drug plan give away to Big Pharma |
emsimon33 |
Mar-11-10 02:47 AM |
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Moulitsas said "I have always hated him." |
Norrin Radd |
Mar-11-10 03:36 AM |
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nor 9/11..eom |
flyarm |
Mar-11-10 08:23 AM |
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Yeah- hates him for being a purity troll |
Capn Sunshine |
Mar-11-10 04:24 PM |
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Hate is hate, no matter how you slice it. And it is hardly disinfo |
Norrin Radd |
Mar-13-10 02:06 AM |
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Thank you, 20score! |
Enthusiast |
Mar-11-10 04:17 AM |
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How dare Kos not trash Obama. Doesn't he understand? This is not about governing a whole country |
Hamlette |
Mar-11-10 05:05 AM |
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MARKOS DID SLAM OBAMA AND THIS BULLSHIT PLAN..HE WAS BASHING OBAMA |
flyarm |
Mar-11-10 08:25 AM |
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Here's why it's not bad politics |
Vattel |
Mar-11-10 05:22 AM |
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Yup, it is unbelievable bad distribution of power |
zipplewrath |
Mar-11-10 07:52 AM |
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Are they still banning members over at KOS for stating Selection 2000 and 2004 were stolen? |
Raster |
Mar-11-10 06:57 AM |
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YES... |
flyarm |
Mar-11-10 08:29 AM |
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pro-mandate people gone too far... |
Tennessee ploughboy |
Mar-11-10 08:22 AM |
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when Markos attacks DK..he attacks all Liberal Democrats! he attacks you and I .. |
flyarm |
Mar-11-10 09:16 AM |
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Dennis Kucinich is a Patriot not a Political Hack without |
SlingBlade |
Mar-11-10 09:17 AM |
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Call Me Naive or Just Plain Stupid, but ... |
Kweli4Real |
Mar-11-10 10:13 AM |
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wrong |
Yuugal |
Mar-11-10 01:05 PM |
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And what about the subsidies? |
Kweli4Real |
Mar-11-10 02:38 PM |
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you would have to be working class to understand |
Yuugal |
Mar-11-10 03:24 PM |
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You make an awful lot of assumptions. |
Pithlet |
Mar-11-10 03:41 PM |
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the bill was written by lobbyists |
Yuugal |
Mar-11-10 04:59 PM |
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This bill isn't about health care, it's about MANDATED PROFITS FOR INSURANCE CORPORATIONS |
SandWalker1984 |
Mar-11-10 11:06 AM |
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Has Moulitsas been offered a job by Rahm Emanuel or does Emanual have some dirt on him? |
Better Believe It |
Mar-11-10 12:04 PM |
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Damn straight.... |
daleanime |
Mar-11-10 12:59 PM |
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k & r n/t |
ejbr |
Mar-11-10 01:11 PM |
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Well said |
DirkGently |
Mar-11-10 01:18 PM |
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"Actually, they do. Better than most - by a long shot." |
guruoo |
Mar-11-10 01:23 PM |
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K&R |
Faryn Balyncd |
Mar-11-10 02:25 PM |
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Does no one on the Left |
shimmergal |
Mar-11-10 03:09 PM |
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+1^ |
upi402 |
Mar-11-10 03:43 PM |
#151 |