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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-10 04:24 PM
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93. Wasn't asking you to
I was simply pointing out the myth, and why that myth is perpetuated.

The myth - as presented in a school history textbook - is that Europeans conquered through superior wits and superior weapons. The books don't usually cast moral judgments on this, some even point out the crimes committed. But they all perpetuate the "superior European" because, right or wrong, the myth of the adventurous white capitalist with a gun is just more dashing and heroic than the reality of a serf who has the misfortune of carrying tuberculosis to the new world.

For an animated example, watch Disney's Pocahontas. Which a distressing number of people seem to think is based on fact. Oi.

Anyway. The reason for this myth's perpetuation actually has nothing to do with the era in question; it's just the way history textbooks work. They're not there to inform, there's there to indoctrinate. So a narrative story about inevitable and always-good progress carried by the dashing white adventurer is what gets sold (I do imagine that other nations use other races as their "dashing propaganda hero" sort, but being an American, this is what I see). Kids are taught a simplified, movie script version of history that is designed to make them feel good about their country.

Real history is quite a bit more complex, and often far less inspiring.

As for your Italian ancestors... Really? You're going to try that? Oh jeeze.
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  -Hey white middle class American! Don't act so shocked. whyverne  Mar-07-10 09:12 AM   #0 
  - k & R  my2sense   Mar-07-10 09:41 AM   #1 
  - great stuff...  WCGreen   Mar-07-10 09:41 AM   #2 
  - Excellent post  malaise   Mar-07-10 09:43 AM   #3 
  - It is always about race  Toots   Mar-07-10 09:48 AM   #4 
  - Tends to be the most convenient division to use but sometimes it's not available and others are used  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-07-10 10:04 AM   #5 
  - No - it is ALWAYS about class and SOMETIMES it's about race  democrat2thecore   Mar-07-10 09:18 PM   #15 
  - And because YOU ...  Kweli4Real   Mar-07-10 10:42 PM   #23 
  - No, I didn't say that. Let's come together. -nt  democrat2thecore   Mar-07-10 11:14 PM   #27 
  - The point you're missing is this:  Solomon   Mar-08-10 05:41 AM   #48 
  - You mean let's come together so long as it's on YOUR terms?  Raineyb   Mar-09-10 12:04 AM   #104 
  - lol  Threedifferentones   Mar-09-10 05:25 PM   #115 
  - no, it is about race many times, just look at Joe the Plumber types  JI7   Mar-07-10 10:45 PM   #24 
  - Wait until the teabaggers figure it out.  johnnyplankton   Mar-07-10 11:12 PM   #26 
  - you mean "morans."  PurpleChez   Mar-08-10 07:27 AM   #60 
  - if you look at history -- it's not.  Hannah Bell   Mar-07-10 11:23 PM   #28 
  - It's about power. Money is the way to power. Race is a way to divide and conquer.  rhett o rick   Mar-07-10 11:35 PM   #31 
     - Agreed  JackInGreen   Mar-08-10 09:08 AM   #75 
  - It's always about the money. You got that right, my friend.  mistertrickster   Mar-07-10 03:58 PM   #6 
  - Right Up there With the Parables in the Bible  Demeter   Mar-07-10 07:19 PM   #7 
  - +1  Mithreal   Mar-07-10 08:36 PM   #11 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Mar-07-10 07:21 PM   #8 
  - K&R  Odin2005   Mar-07-10 07:25 PM   #9 
  - K&R!  Kitty Herder   Mar-07-10 07:26 PM   #10 
  - THIS. IS. SO. TRUE. nt  anonymous171   Mar-07-10 08:37 PM   #12 
  - But, but, I thought it was about freedom and democracy. Wha happeen??  bertman   Mar-07-10 08:47 PM   #13 
  - I'm glad the Black, Yellow and Red people managed their money so as not to be affected!  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-07-10 08:57 PM   #14 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-07-10 10:19 PM   #18 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-08-10 07:36 AM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-07-10 10:07 PM   #16 
  - Not nearly enough  Chulanowa   Mar-07-10 10:16 PM   #17 
  - Life is a competition. White European settlers had superior weapons  Flatulo   Mar-07-10 10:55 PM   #25 
     - Weapons had nothing to do with it  Chulanowa   Mar-08-10 02:25 AM   #40 
     - I feel neither guilty nor self-righteous about shit that happened hundreds of years ago.  Flatulo   Mar-08-10 07:32 AM   #61 
     - Wasn't asking you to  Chulanowa   Mar-08-10 04:24 PM   #93 
        - Anthropology, or the Art of Grabbing Ankle  Flatulo   Mar-08-10 08:21 PM   #100 
     - You are wrong...  MellowDem   Mar-08-10 09:36 AM   #78 
        - Thanks for a common-sense post. nt  Flatulo   Mar-08-10 01:57 PM   #86 
        - Wow, are you ever misreading  Chulanowa   Mar-08-10 03:25 PM   #89 
           - Your post was a bit confusing then...  MellowDem   Mar-08-10 03:36 PM   #91 
              - Where do you think diseases come from?  Chulanowa   Mar-08-10 04:38 PM   #94 
                 - Why do you assume about me?  MellowDem   Mar-08-10 04:58 PM   #96 
                    - I simply like to cuss  Chulanowa   Mar-08-10 06:30 PM   #97 
                       - Yes, I'm offended by the notion...  MellowDem   Mar-08-10 08:12 PM   #99 
                          - I'm offended by shoddy history, yes  Chulanowa   Mar-08-10 11:41 PM   #103 
                             - No, I enjoy discussing history actually...  MellowDem   Mar-09-10 11:28 AM   #106 
     - They had germs the Red man had never been exposed to. nt  raccoon   Mar-08-10 07:46 AM   #66 
        - Red man?  asdjrocky   Mar-08-10 09:56 AM   #83 
           - You know, like tobacco mosaic and blue mold  Chulanowa   Mar-08-10 03:28 PM   #90 
           - Yeah, wow.  asdjrocky   Mar-08-10 04:21 PM   #92 
           - it shouldn't, really  Chulanowa   Mar-08-10 04:44 PM   #95 
           - You didn't read the OP by any chance, did you? nt  Flatulo   Mar-08-10 08:25 PM   #101 
           - Yes I did.  asdjrocky   Mar-08-10 08:49 PM   #102 
              - Have you directed your ire at the OP? nt  Flatulo   Mar-09-10 11:53 AM   #107 
                 - I'll tell you what my Dad told me-  asdjrocky   Mar-09-10 01:36 PM   #108 
                    - Fair enough. Your dad was a wise man. nt  Flatulo   Mar-09-10 02:10 PM   #109 
                       - Yeah, and catching the shit was never fun.  asdjrocky   Mar-09-10 03:03 PM   #113 
                          - Absolutely. Peace, brother.  Flatulo   Mar-09-10 05:15 PM   #114 
                             - And peace to you friend.  asdjrocky   Mar-09-10 09:59 PM   #121 
           - Once again, why didn't 'red man' bother you in the opening post?  KittyWampus   Mar-09-10 05:42 PM   #120 
           - No, like the opening post. Why didn't that bother you? Cause you liked it's sophomoric message?  KittyWampus   Mar-09-10 05:40 PM   #118 
              - Actually, neither instance bothered me  Chulanowa   Mar-10-10 01:13 AM   #123 
           - did you read the opening post? It says "Red Man, Black Man, Yellow Man". And as a woman  KittyWampus   Mar-09-10 05:40 PM   #117 
  - Not really.  JoeyT   Mar-08-10 12:46 AM   #35 
  - Are you kidding me?  asdjrocky   Mar-08-10 06:28 AM   #54 
  - Yeah, a much better idea would be to go back and un-kill all those  Flatulo   Mar-08-10 07:35 AM   #62 
     - Do you believe that a few tribes having some casinos somehow makes up for it?  asdjrocky   Mar-08-10 09:55 AM   #82 
        - No, my comment was tongue-in-cheek. I don't know what would make a good remedy.  Flatulo   Mar-08-10 12:02 PM   #85 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-08-10 02:09 PM   #88 
  - K&R  Cetacea   Mar-07-10 10:22 PM   #19 
  - Patriarchy and capitalism are strictly based on exploitation --  defendandprotect   Mar-07-10 10:27 PM   #20 
  - Rec'd #100 over here!  Grand Taurean   Mar-07-10 10:39 PM   #21 
  - social justice is an economic issue  upi402   Mar-07-10 10:40 PM   #22 
  - OR, as Buffy Sainte-Marie put it:  Ken Burch   Mar-07-10 11:27 PM   #29 
  - Excellent.  cliffordu   Mar-07-10 11:29 PM   #30 
  - Indeed. Those who still think is just about race, still keep on missing the point....  liberation   Mar-07-10 11:41 PM   #32 
  - And, now I thought that racism was an innate fear of "the other". Go figure.  MissMarple   Mar-08-10 02:08 AM   #39 
  - Funny how it took white people getting screwed by other white people to catch on  Chulanowa   Mar-08-10 03:00 AM   #42 
     - Verdad......  RedRoses323   Mar-08-10 06:59 AM   #58 
     - I think you misread the post...  MellowDem   Mar-08-10 09:53 AM   #81 
     - +1  Raineyb   Mar-09-10 12:22 AM   #105 
  - K&R  dchill   Mar-07-10 11:51 PM   #33 
  - This post is the shit!  Catherine Vincent   Mar-08-10 12:20 AM   #34 
  - +1  voc   Mar-10-10 03:14 AM   #125 
  - Classism is built in to our two party system  Mosaic   Mar-08-10 12:59 AM   #36 
  - Both parties represent the elite.  anonymous171   Mar-09-10 05:29 PM   #116 
  - Nice start, needs a better finish  pundaint   Mar-08-10 01:51 AM   #37 
  - Well, it is about the money and the power...but your history is all out of wack.  MissMarple   Mar-08-10 02:05 AM   #38 
  - Precisely  Sherman A1   Mar-08-10 02:57 AM   #41 
  - I would love to have a few million dollars myself.  RandomThoughts   Mar-08-10 03:03 AM   #43 
  - I'm not at all surprised that this kind of shallow shit "analysis"  cali   Mar-08-10 03:13 AM   #44 
  - +1 nt  SammyWinstonJack   Mar-08-10 10:04 AM   #84 
  - Indeed.  LostInAnomie   Mar-08-10 02:05 PM   #87 
  - -1  joeunderdog   Mar-09-10 02:16 PM   #110 
  - yes, & the new "multicultural" world order is shaping up nicely. With elites of every racial  Hannah Bell   Mar-08-10 03:39 AM   #45 
  - K & R  democracy1st   Mar-08-10 05:16 AM   #46 
  - A good post ....  gleaner   Mar-08-10 05:27 AM   #47 
  - Simplistic concepts tend ...  DisgustedInMN   Mar-08-10 05:41 AM   #49 
  - It's hard to separate the two...  rucky   Mar-08-10 05:49 AM   #51 
     - I think we're ...  DisgustedInMN   Mar-08-10 07:59 AM   #68 
     - Yeah, they have their useful idiots who perpetuate and antagonize  eilen   Mar-08-10 08:29 AM   #71 
  - I hope you don't mind but I passed that on to my friend  madokie   Mar-08-10 05:46 AM   #50 
  - The pity is that too many of the middle class permit the abuse out of fear.  DailyGrind51   Mar-08-10 05:55 AM   #52 
  - Hit The Nail On The Head  WVRICK13   Mar-08-10 06:27 AM   #53 
  - Yes and no about the race thing...  onlyadream   Mar-08-10 06:42 AM   #55 
  - k&r  blindpig   Mar-08-10 06:56 AM   #56 
  - OP says thanks to all. First time I made the front page.  whyverne   Mar-08-10 06:57 AM   #57 
  - how unfortunately true  wordpix   Mar-08-10 07:21 AM   #59 
  - Divide and conquer. Literally, the oldest trick in the book.  last1standing   Mar-08-10 07:36 AM   #64 
  - Interesting perspective.  4_TN_TITANS   Mar-08-10 07:40 AM   #65 
  - Too true  Brewman_Jax   Mar-08-10 07:51 AM   #67 
  - Before that it was the Irish,  eilen   Mar-08-10 08:43 AM   #73 
     - Stay in the present  Brewman_Jax   Mar-08-10 09:47 AM   #80 
  - The White Mans Burden ...  SlingBlade   Mar-08-10 08:15 AM   #69 
  - Variation on, "first they came for the lawyers and I did nothing".  Javaman   Mar-08-10 08:27 AM   #70 
  - Thank you for your observations whyverne  mntleo2   Mar-08-10 08:32 AM   #72 
  - It's about power. Money is a tool for power. Hate is a tool for power. nt  rhett o rick   Mar-08-10 08:45 AM   #74 
  - K&R  MissDeeds   Mar-08-10 09:11 AM   #76 
  - Best Damn Post I've read on DU all day. K&R  paparush   Mar-08-10 09:21 AM   #77 
  - This post dumbs it down too much...  MellowDem   Mar-08-10 09:41 AM   #79 
  - There is a whole list of DU bogeymen. The white male is near the top.  county worker   Mar-09-10 02:29 PM   #112 
     - Add car magnets and car flags and you have a humdinger.  hulka38   Mar-09-10 10:32 PM   #122 
  - but I'm fat, so nobody complained.  branders seine   Mar-08-10 06:34 PM   #98 
  - Read about the Credit Mobilier  county worker   Mar-09-10 02:20 PM   #111 
  - Because Black people, Red people and Yellow people haven't lost their homes in this depression  Kurska   Mar-09-10 05:40 PM   #119 
  - Welp no shit!  lonestarnot   Mar-10-10 01:22 AM   #124 
 

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