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Mon Mar-08-10 04:24 PM
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I was simply pointing out the myth, and why that myth is perpetuated.
The myth - as presented in a school history textbook - is that Europeans conquered through superior wits and superior weapons. The books don't usually cast moral judgments on this, some even point out the crimes committed. But they all perpetuate the "superior European" because, right or wrong, the myth of the adventurous white capitalist with a gun is just more dashing and heroic than the reality of a serf who has the misfortune of carrying tuberculosis to the new world.
For an animated example, watch Disney's Pocahontas. Which a distressing number of people seem to think is based on fact. Oi.
Anyway. The reason for this myth's perpetuation actually has nothing to do with the era in question; it's just the way history textbooks work. They're not there to inform, there's there to indoctrinate. So a narrative story about inevitable and always-good progress carried by the dashing white adventurer is what gets sold (I do imagine that other nations use other races as their "dashing propaganda hero" sort, but being an American, this is what I see). Kids are taught a simplified, movie script version of history that is designed to make them feel good about their country.
Real history is quite a bit more complex, and often far less inspiring.
As for your Italian ancestors... Really? You're going to try that? Oh jeeze.
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| -Hey white middle class American! Don't act so shocked. |
whyverne |
Mar-07-10 09:12 AM |
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k & R |
my2sense |
Mar-07-10 09:41 AM |
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great stuff... |
WCGreen |
Mar-07-10 09:41 AM |
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Excellent post |
malaise |
Mar-07-10 09:43 AM |
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It is always about race |
Toots |
Mar-07-10 09:48 AM |
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Tends to be the most convenient division to use but sometimes it's not available and others are used |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Mar-07-10 10:04 AM |
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No - it is ALWAYS about class and SOMETIMES it's about race |
democrat2thecore |
Mar-07-10 09:18 PM |
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And because YOU ... |
Kweli4Real |
Mar-07-10 10:42 PM |
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No, I didn't say that. Let's come together. -nt |
democrat2thecore |
Mar-07-10 11:14 PM |
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The point you're missing is this: |
Solomon |
Mar-08-10 05:41 AM |
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You mean let's come together so long as it's on YOUR terms? |
Raineyb |
Mar-09-10 12:04 AM |
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lol |
Threedifferentones |
Mar-09-10 05:25 PM |
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no, it is about race many times, just look at Joe the Plumber types |
JI7 |
Mar-07-10 10:45 PM |
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Wait until the teabaggers figure it out. |
johnnyplankton |
Mar-07-10 11:12 PM |
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you mean "morans." |
PurpleChez |
Mar-08-10 07:27 AM |
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if you look at history -- it's not. |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-07-10 11:23 PM |
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It's about power. Money is the way to power. Race is a way to divide and conquer. |
rhett o rick |
Mar-07-10 11:35 PM |
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Agreed |
JackInGreen |
Mar-08-10 09:08 AM |
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It's always about the money. You got that right, my friend. |
mistertrickster |
Mar-07-10 03:58 PM |
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Right Up there With the Parables in the Bible |
Demeter |
Mar-07-10 07:19 PM |
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+1 |
Mithreal |
Mar-07-10 08:36 PM |
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K&R |
leftstreet |
Mar-07-10 07:21 PM |
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K&R |
Odin2005 |
Mar-07-10 07:25 PM |
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K&R! |
Kitty Herder |
Mar-07-10 07:26 PM |
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THIS. IS. SO. TRUE. nt |
anonymous171 |
Mar-07-10 08:37 PM |
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But, but, I thought it was about freedom and democracy. Wha happeen?? |
bertman |
Mar-07-10 08:47 PM |
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I'm glad the Black, Yellow and Red people managed their money so as not to be affected! |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Mar-07-10 08:57 PM |
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Mar-07-10 10:19 PM |
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Mar-08-10 07:36 AM |
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Mar-07-10 10:07 PM |
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Not nearly enough |
Chulanowa |
Mar-07-10 10:16 PM |
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Life is a competition. White European settlers had superior weapons |
Flatulo |
Mar-07-10 10:55 PM |
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Weapons had nothing to do with it |
Chulanowa |
Mar-08-10 02:25 AM |
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I feel neither guilty nor self-righteous about shit that happened hundreds of years ago. |
Flatulo |
Mar-08-10 07:32 AM |
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Wasn't asking you to |
Chulanowa |
Mar-08-10 04:24 PM |
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Anthropology, or the Art of Grabbing Ankle |
Flatulo |
Mar-08-10 08:21 PM |
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You are wrong... |
MellowDem |
Mar-08-10 09:36 AM |
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Thanks for a common-sense post. nt |
Flatulo |
Mar-08-10 01:57 PM |
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Wow, are you ever misreading |
Chulanowa |
Mar-08-10 03:25 PM |
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Your post was a bit confusing then... |
MellowDem |
Mar-08-10 03:36 PM |
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Where do you think diseases come from? |
Chulanowa |
Mar-08-10 04:38 PM |
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Why do you assume about me? |
MellowDem |
Mar-08-10 04:58 PM |
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I simply like to cuss |
Chulanowa |
Mar-08-10 06:30 PM |
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Yes, I'm offended by the notion... |
MellowDem |
Mar-08-10 08:12 PM |
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I'm offended by shoddy history, yes |
Chulanowa |
Mar-08-10 11:41 PM |
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No, I enjoy discussing history actually... |
MellowDem |
Mar-09-10 11:28 AM |
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They had germs the Red man had never been exposed to. nt |
raccoon |
Mar-08-10 07:46 AM |
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Red man? |
asdjrocky |
Mar-08-10 09:56 AM |
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You know, like tobacco mosaic and blue mold |
Chulanowa |
Mar-08-10 03:28 PM |
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Yeah, wow. |
asdjrocky |
Mar-08-10 04:21 PM |
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it shouldn't, really |
Chulanowa |
Mar-08-10 04:44 PM |
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You didn't read the OP by any chance, did you? nt |
Flatulo |
Mar-08-10 08:25 PM |
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Yes I did. |
asdjrocky |
Mar-08-10 08:49 PM |
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Have you directed your ire at the OP? nt |
Flatulo |
Mar-09-10 11:53 AM |
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I'll tell you what my Dad told me- |
asdjrocky |
Mar-09-10 01:36 PM |
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Fair enough. Your dad was a wise man. nt |
Flatulo |
Mar-09-10 02:10 PM |
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Yeah, and catching the shit was never fun. |
asdjrocky |
Mar-09-10 03:03 PM |
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Absolutely. Peace, brother. |
Flatulo |
Mar-09-10 05:15 PM |
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And peace to you friend. |
asdjrocky |
Mar-09-10 09:59 PM |
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Once again, why didn't 'red man' bother you in the opening post? |
KittyWampus |
Mar-09-10 05:42 PM |
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No, like the opening post. Why didn't that bother you? Cause you liked it's sophomoric message? |
KittyWampus |
Mar-09-10 05:40 PM |
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Actually, neither instance bothered me |
Chulanowa |
Mar-10-10 01:13 AM |
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did you read the opening post? It says "Red Man, Black Man, Yellow Man". And as a woman |
KittyWampus |
Mar-09-10 05:40 PM |
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Not really. |
JoeyT |
Mar-08-10 12:46 AM |
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Are you kidding me? |
asdjrocky |
Mar-08-10 06:28 AM |
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Yeah, a much better idea would be to go back and un-kill all those |
Flatulo |
Mar-08-10 07:35 AM |
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Do you believe that a few tribes having some casinos somehow makes up for it? |
asdjrocky |
Mar-08-10 09:55 AM |
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No, my comment was tongue-in-cheek. I don't know what would make a good remedy. |
Flatulo |
Mar-08-10 12:02 PM |
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Mar-08-10 02:09 PM |
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K&R |
Cetacea |
Mar-07-10 10:22 PM |
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Patriarchy and capitalism are strictly based on exploitation -- |
defendandprotect |
Mar-07-10 10:27 PM |
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Rec'd #100 over here! |
Grand Taurean |
Mar-07-10 10:39 PM |
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social justice is an economic issue |
upi402 |
Mar-07-10 10:40 PM |
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OR, as Buffy Sainte-Marie put it: |
Ken Burch |
Mar-07-10 11:27 PM |
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Excellent. |
cliffordu |
Mar-07-10 11:29 PM |
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Indeed. Those who still think is just about race, still keep on missing the point.... |
liberation |
Mar-07-10 11:41 PM |
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And, now I thought that racism was an innate fear of "the other". Go figure. |
MissMarple |
Mar-08-10 02:08 AM |
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Funny how it took white people getting screwed by other white people to catch on |
Chulanowa |
Mar-08-10 03:00 AM |
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Verdad...... |
RedRoses323 |
Mar-08-10 06:59 AM |
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I think you misread the post... |
MellowDem |
Mar-08-10 09:53 AM |
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+1 |
Raineyb |
Mar-09-10 12:22 AM |
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K&R |
dchill |
Mar-07-10 11:51 PM |
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This post is the shit! |
Catherine Vincent |
Mar-08-10 12:20 AM |
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+1 |
voc |
Mar-10-10 03:14 AM |
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Classism is built in to our two party system |
Mosaic |
Mar-08-10 12:59 AM |
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Both parties represent the elite. |
anonymous171 |
Mar-09-10 05:29 PM |
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Nice start, needs a better finish |
pundaint |
Mar-08-10 01:51 AM |
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Well, it is about the money and the power...but your history is all out of wack. |
MissMarple |
Mar-08-10 02:05 AM |
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Precisely |
Sherman A1 |
Mar-08-10 02:57 AM |
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I would love to have a few million dollars myself. |
RandomThoughts |
Mar-08-10 03:03 AM |
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I'm not at all surprised that this kind of shallow shit "analysis" |
cali |
Mar-08-10 03:13 AM |
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+1 nt |
SammyWinstonJack |
Mar-08-10 10:04 AM |
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Indeed. |
LostInAnomie |
Mar-08-10 02:05 PM |
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-1 |
joeunderdog |
Mar-09-10 02:16 PM |
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yes, & the new "multicultural" world order is shaping up nicely. With elites of every racial |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-08-10 03:39 AM |
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K & R |
democracy1st |
Mar-08-10 05:16 AM |
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A good post .... |
gleaner |
Mar-08-10 05:27 AM |
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Simplistic concepts tend ... |
DisgustedInMN |
Mar-08-10 05:41 AM |
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It's hard to separate the two... |
rucky |
Mar-08-10 05:49 AM |
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I think we're ... |
DisgustedInMN |
Mar-08-10 07:59 AM |
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Yeah, they have their useful idiots who perpetuate and antagonize |
eilen |
Mar-08-10 08:29 AM |
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I hope you don't mind but I passed that on to my friend |
madokie |
Mar-08-10 05:46 AM |
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The pity is that too many of the middle class permit the abuse out of fear. |
DailyGrind51 |
Mar-08-10 05:55 AM |
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Hit The Nail On The Head |
WVRICK13 |
Mar-08-10 06:27 AM |
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Yes and no about the race thing... |
onlyadream |
Mar-08-10 06:42 AM |
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k&r |
blindpig |
Mar-08-10 06:56 AM |
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OP says thanks to all. First time I made the front page. |
whyverne |
Mar-08-10 06:57 AM |
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how unfortunately true |
wordpix |
Mar-08-10 07:21 AM |
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Divide and conquer. Literally, the oldest trick in the book. |
last1standing |
Mar-08-10 07:36 AM |
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Interesting perspective. |
4_TN_TITANS |
Mar-08-10 07:40 AM |
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Too true |
Brewman_Jax |
Mar-08-10 07:51 AM |
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Before that it was the Irish, |
eilen |
Mar-08-10 08:43 AM |
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Stay in the present |
Brewman_Jax |
Mar-08-10 09:47 AM |
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The White Mans Burden ... |
SlingBlade |
Mar-08-10 08:15 AM |
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Variation on, "first they came for the lawyers and I did nothing". |
Javaman |
Mar-08-10 08:27 AM |
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Thank you for your observations whyverne |
mntleo2 |
Mar-08-10 08:32 AM |
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It's about power. Money is a tool for power. Hate is a tool for power. nt |
rhett o rick |
Mar-08-10 08:45 AM |
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K&R |
MissDeeds |
Mar-08-10 09:11 AM |
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Best Damn Post I've read on DU all day. K&R |
paparush |
Mar-08-10 09:21 AM |
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This post dumbs it down too much... |
MellowDem |
Mar-08-10 09:41 AM |
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There is a whole list of DU bogeymen. The white male is near the top. |
county worker |
Mar-09-10 02:29 PM |
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Add car magnets and car flags and you have a humdinger. |
hulka38 |
Mar-09-10 10:32 PM |
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but I'm fat, so nobody complained. |
branders seine |
Mar-08-10 06:34 PM |
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Read about the Credit Mobilier |
county worker |
Mar-09-10 02:20 PM |
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Because Black people, Red people and Yellow people haven't lost their homes in this depression |
Kurska |
Mar-09-10 05:40 PM |
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Welp no shit! |
lonestarnot |
Mar-10-10 01:22 AM |
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