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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 05:42 PM
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4. To Some Degree
There are limits, of course (violence, harassment, etc).
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  -Does a privately-owned business have the right to set rules about behavior is on its property? Orrex  Mar-06-10 05:34 PM   #0 
  - Yes, because businesses are private property and when you open your  Cleita   Mar-06-10 05:39 PM   #1 
  - No  izquierdista   Mar-06-10 05:42 PM   #3 
  - As despiccable as that would be...a business can in some cases  hlthe2b   Mar-06-10 05:56 PM   #16 
  - I wondered about exactly that point  Orrex   Mar-06-10 06:00 PM   #21 
     - I have been told by the rather large number of lawyers in my  hlthe2b   Mar-06-10 06:05 PM   #27 
     - Very interesting  Orrex   Mar-06-10 07:49 PM   #32 
        - Clarification: from a legal site (specific to restaurants discriminating)  hlthe2b   Mar-07-10 12:52 PM   #54 
           - Excellent information.  Orrex   Mar-07-10 05:34 PM   #57 
     - Some businesses DO discriminate...  asksam   Mar-07-10 12:37 PM   #52 
  - When I worked at a restaurant in 1992, the owners refused to serve Skinheads  Orrex   Mar-06-10 05:56 PM   #17 
  - convenience stores often restrict how many kids come in at once  hlthe2b   Mar-06-10 06:00 PM   #22 
     - Well, they were assholes anyway  Orrex   Mar-06-10 06:01 PM   #23 
  - "colored" is not a behavior.  cliffordu   Mar-07-10 12:02 AM   #42 
  - That's against federal law  Confusious   Mar-07-10 03:01 AM   #50 
  - wrong answer to another post  cliffordu   Mar-07-10 12:00 AM   #41 
  - The easy answer is yes  DJ13   Mar-06-10 05:40 PM   #2 
  - Not quite  Orrex   Mar-06-10 05:43 PM   #6 
     - So our Constitution ends at the doorstep to Capitalism?  DJ13   Mar-06-10 05:45 PM   #8 
        - If I'm invited into your home, can I tell your child to go screw himself?  Orrex   Mar-06-10 05:47 PM   #9 
           - You could, but she's a cat so I doubt she'd care  DJ13   Mar-06-10 05:49 PM   #11 
           - So you concede the point, then?  Orrex   Mar-06-10 05:53 PM   #12 
              - To me, the Constitution should encompass every bit of the US  DJ13   Mar-06-10 05:59 PM   #20 
                 - Where do you get the idea the Constitution restricts individuals? It restricts the govt.  Statistical   Mar-06-10 09:55 PM   #38 
                 - Homes = private property, Businesses = private property..  X_Digger   Mar-06-10 11:59 PM   #40 
           - You could. You would likely be asked to leave at that point, which you would have to do.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-08-10 11:30 AM   #69 
  - To Some Degree  MannyGoldstein   Mar-06-10 05:42 PM   #4 
  - Subject to constitutional and statutory limitations, yes  Xipe Totec   Mar-06-10 05:42 PM   #5 
  - If, for example, you don't want someone to say "fuck" on your business' property, can you forbid it?  Orrex   Mar-06-10 05:45 PM   #7 
     - I would say anybody who's on your property at your will an pleasure,  Xipe Totec   Mar-06-10 05:53 PM   #13 
     - Could you clarify part of that for me?  Orrex   Mar-06-10 05:58 PM   #18 
        - I'm not sure what XT was thinking of, but how about sidewalks?  petronius   Mar-06-10 06:03 PM   #25 
        - That's also a good example  Xipe Totec   Mar-06-10 06:07 PM   #28 
        - Ooh--that's a great suggestion.  Orrex   Mar-06-10 07:51 PM   #34 
        - Greensboro  Xipe Totec   Mar-06-10 06:04 PM   #26 
        - Ah! Very interesting!  Orrex   Mar-06-10 07:51 PM   #33 
        - Are you talking about your property or your business?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-07-10 01:35 AM   #45 
           - One's business is one's propery, no?  Orrex   Mar-07-10 12:28 PM   #51 
              - There are different laws concerning a business even if one owns the property that business is on.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-07-10 02:10 PM   #55 
                 - For instance?  Orrex   Mar-07-10 03:49 PM   #56 
                    - ADA. Your private home doesn't have to be wheelchair accessible. Your business may have to be.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-07-10 09:18 PM   #58 
                       - hlthe2b posted a good summary of "public accomodations" upthread  Orrex   Mar-07-10 10:25 PM   #62 
                          - Fire Code and Environmental laws would be another issue.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-08-10 09:39 AM   #63 
                             - Well, how about this:  Orrex   Mar-08-10 11:22 AM   #67 
                                - If it was solely your business and your land then you should.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-08-10 11:28 AM   #68 
                                   - Ah. Good point about leases.  Orrex   Mar-08-10 11:38 AM   #70 
     - Courts have held that malls can prevent free speech activities on their  petronius   Mar-06-10 05:55 PM   #15 
     - That is true... Malls can restrict/limit types of speech activities  hlthe2b   Mar-06-10 05:58 PM   #19 
     - Yes, you can put up a "no profanity" sign and enforce it  jmowreader   Mar-07-10 12:10 AM   #43 
  - You left out the "Maybe" option  customerserviceguy   Mar-06-10 05:47 PM   #10 
  - OK, what other thread is this about? -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Mar-06-10 05:54 PM   #14 
  - If you can have rules of behavior for those in your house  stray cat   Mar-06-10 06:03 PM   #24 
  - Depends on what you believe.  RandomThoughts   Mar-06-10 06:09 PM   #29 
  - I think it's a mistake to frame it simply as a money/no-money issue  Orrex   Mar-06-10 07:46 PM   #31 
     - Well I used the term money since ownership of property as bought by money, for most is ownership.  RandomThoughts   Mar-06-10 09:15 PM   #36 
  - And the sign said "long haired freaky people need not apply" n/t  DefenseLawyer   Mar-06-10 06:11 PM   #30 
  - Another ill-defined question.  Igel   Mar-06-10 09:09 PM   #35 
  - I think perhaps the point of the poll was unclear  Orrex   Mar-06-10 09:38 PM   #37 
  - not entirely sure of your first example  dsc   Mar-07-10 09:32 PM   #60 
  - Within limits, yes..  X_Digger   Mar-06-10 11:54 PM   #39 
  - Simple answer is no. A business can't make any rules they want.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Mar-07-10 01:33 AM   #44 
  - Can I allow smoking in my bar?  Flaneur   Mar-07-10 01:38 AM   #46 
  - in places where it's legal, yes.  dysfunctional press   Mar-07-10 01:48 AM   #48 
  - yes, definitely.  dysfunctional press   Mar-07-10 01:45 AM   #47 
  - Yes, unless a legal exception exists.  OneTenthofOnePercent   Mar-07-10 02:29 AM   #49 
  - They can set rules about behavior as long as they do not violate laws.  davsand   Mar-07-10 12:48 PM   #53 
  - Not a yes/no question, this is a very sticky-gray area. Perfectly valid and reasonable  Greyhound   Mar-07-10 09:25 PM   #59 
  - As long as they don't violate any laws, yes.  RexS   Mar-07-10 09:43 PM   #61 
  - Or deny any legally-held rights.  ClassWarrior   Mar-08-10 09:43 AM   #64 
  - Most even slightly upscale nightlife hotspots have dress codes.  TransitJohn   Mar-08-10 09:50 AM   #65 
  - Sure, so long as those behaviors are publically lawful.  izzybeans   Mar-08-10 09:54 AM   #66 

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