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43. "The fundamental issue is not charter schools and is not
corporations or capitlism, it is clearly a class of people who believe that money defines everything. I call them New Aryans because they have the same philosophical conceptions of themselves being supra-national beings and everyone else being expendable."
by Michael Martin

Kenneth Saltman clarifies it even better: "What is dangerously framed out within the neoliberal view is the role of DEMOCRATIC participation in societies ideally committed to DEMOCRACY and the role of public schools in preparing public democratic citizens with the tools for meaningful participatory self-governance. By reducing the politics of education to it's economic roles, neoliberal educational reform has DEEPLY AUTHORITARIAN tendencies that are incompatible with democracy."
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  -Really - What Happened To Our Schools?....... global1  Mar-04-10 12:38 PM   #0 
  - Standardized tests and less emphasis on liberal arts and skills.  no_hypocrisy   Mar-04-10 12:42 PM   #1 
  - NCLB killed independent thought  557188   Mar-04-10 01:04 PM   #30 
     - same bitch 40 yrs ago. family environment counts for something. we have always  seabeyond   Mar-04-10 01:07 PM   #33 
     - Agreed. No problem-solving, no critical thinking, no logic, no extrapolation.  no_hypocrisy   Mar-04-10 01:11 PM   #38 
     - Yep, they ask less questions and believe what their Government tells them.....The lobotomization of  JohnnyBoots   Mar-04-10 02:42 PM   #47 
  - racists fuckwits didn't want to fund public schools if black kids could use them  pitohui   Mar-04-10 12:44 PM   #2 
  - You make a really good point. Integration in some districts  EFerrari   Mar-04-10 12:47 PM   #7 
  - +1  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-04-10 01:14 PM   #40 
  - I Think You Are Correct  we can do it   Mar-04-10 07:42 PM   #68 
  - I had a friend who said the same thing as you.  hollowdweller   Mar-04-10 08:03 PM   #74 
  - Ronald Reagan happened  XemaSab   Mar-04-10 12:44 PM   #3 
  - sputnik  rampart   Mar-04-10 02:54 PM   #48 
     - That was certainly part of it  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-04-10 06:45 PM   #58 
  - babies havin babies  maxsolomon   Mar-04-10 12:44 PM   #4 
  - so right on. i am tired of thread after thread blaming schools. and the obvious sits in front of  seabeyond   Mar-04-10 12:50 PM   #9 
  - That may be true but it doesn't obviate the attack on public ed  EFerrari   Mar-04-10 12:54 PM   #15 
  - republicans? sheeeit. dems falling into repug game. look at du attacking schools  seabeyond   Mar-04-10 12:55 PM   #16 
     - Well, it started with Republicans and sure, now also bolstered by "Democrats".  EFerrari   Mar-04-10 12:57 PM   #18 
        - i will go with that. agreed. nt  seabeyond   Mar-04-10 12:59 PM   #20 
           - Also as pitohui pointed out up thread, as soon as public schools had to integrate,  EFerrari   Mar-04-10 01:04 PM   #29 
              - oh... and those big bad liberal teachers being paid by tax money doing nothing all day  seabeyond   Mar-04-10 01:08 PM   #34 
  - A while back I was doing a sales job where I met clients in their homes.  Hello_Kitty   Mar-04-10 12:57 PM   #19 
  - i have gotten ass chewed out by adults cause they say too many books, kids read too much  seabeyond   Mar-04-10 01:01 PM   #25 
  - We didn't have any books in our home until I started buying them with my allowance  EFerrari   Mar-04-10 01:14 PM   #41 
  - true!  we can do it   Mar-04-10 07:43 PM   #69 
  - Raygun.  EFerrari   Mar-04-10 12:44 PM   #5 
  - A thirty-year war waged against public education beginning with a fraudulent report  tonysam   Mar-04-10 12:45 PM   #6 
  - kids have been in 4 schools. all of them have been excellent. teachers excellent  seabeyond   Mar-04-10 12:49 PM   #8 
  - There were crappy schools back then too. I went to school in the 1950's and 1960's,  raccoon   Mar-04-10 12:51 PM   #10 
  - Really? Where was that? The schools I went to were great  EFerrari   Mar-04-10 12:53 PM   #12 
     - A very poor county in a poor state (SC). Lowwwwwwww tax base. nt  raccoon   Mar-04-10 01:26 PM   #44 
  - Two figure I thought interesting  NoNothing   Mar-04-10 12:52 PM   #11 
  - Are you suggesting that the problem is teachers earning too much money?  The Midway Rebel   Mar-04-10 01:12 PM   #39 
  - Where do you live that the average teacher earns over $100K a year??  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-04-10 01:17 PM   #42 
     - Avg $52,000 in salary + $50,000 benefits n/t  NoNothing   Mar-04-10 04:37 PM   #51 
        - Liar.  tabasco   Mar-04-10 06:06 PM   #53 
        - Median vs. mean?  NoNothing   Mar-04-10 06:41 PM   #56 
        - Wait a minute. I thought you said it was $100K  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-04-10 06:14 PM   #54 
           - "Over" not "exactly"  NoNothing   Mar-04-10 06:44 PM   #57 
              - Please explain the $50K in benefits  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-04-10 06:47 PM   #59 
                 - My guess is pension, training and health care mostly  NoNothing   Mar-04-10 06:59 PM   #60 
                    - That's insane  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-04-10 07:10 PM   #61 
                       - If the school board was lying  NoNothing   Mar-04-10 07:20 PM   #62 
                          - Or maybe you misunderstood  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-04-10 07:31 PM   #64 
                             - Did you watch the video?  NoNothing   Mar-04-10 07:34 PM   #65 
                                - They are obviously including some other costs in that figure.  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-04-10 07:53 PM   #72 
  - The "teach to test" requirements to undermine funding for public schools  HopeHoops   Mar-04-10 12:53 PM   #13 
  - As a parent I can see a few things  Fresh_Start   Mar-04-10 12:53 PM   #14 
  - My school system is light years better than it was in the 60s-70s.  FSogol   Mar-04-10 12:56 PM   #17 
  - that is what i am seeing from ALL the schools in this area. nt  seabeyond   Mar-04-10 01:02 PM   #26 
  - The Science and Math obsession killed it  anonymous171   Mar-04-10 01:00 PM   #21 
  - WTF?  we can do it   Mar-04-10 07:47 PM   #71 
  - Nothing. But you sure have fallen for the RW propaganda that something has. (nt)  ieoeja   Mar-04-10 01:00 PM   #22 
  - and there is the answer. nt  seabeyond   Mar-04-10 01:03 PM   #27 
  - Failing Schools = Welfare Queen??  hollowdweller   Mar-04-10 08:17 PM   #76 
  - The big secret is that the schools really aren't all that bad.  izzybeans   Mar-04-10 01:00 PM   #23 
  - excellent points nt  Fresh_Start   Mar-04-10 01:01 PM   #24 
  - Of course they're not; that's why the privatizers are so bent on killing it  tonysam   Mar-04-10 07:35 PM   #66 
  - Some schools are not so bad, there is more variability now that 50 years ago  Sancho   Mar-04-10 01:04 PM   #28 
  - Blame the news as well  Fresh_Start   Mar-04-10 01:05 PM   #31 
  - The elephant in the room  DonCoquixote   Mar-04-10 01:06 PM   #32 
  - religion is tax exempt  rampart   Mar-04-10 02:56 PM   #49 
  - In an off year election this past year, our 1st or 2nd largest  mmonk   Mar-04-10 01:08 PM   #35 
  - American corporocrats happened.  Orsino   Mar-04-10 01:08 PM   #36 
  - That's it in a nutshell. n/t  Fire1   Mar-04-10 02:13 PM   #45 
  - republicans and the ruling class have methodically undermined,  branders seine   Mar-04-10 01:09 PM   #37 
  - "The fundamental issue is not charter schools and is not  Fire1   Mar-04-10 01:25 PM   #43 
  - Kids are too long-term an investment. And they don't vote.  Terry in Austin   Mar-04-10 02:38 PM   #46 
  - My 2 cents.  Igel   Mar-04-10 03:20 PM   #50 
  - Schools have become too "college prep"  ejbrush   Mar-04-10 05:56 PM   #52 
  - Schools simply reflect the state of the American family, which has  warm regards   Mar-04-10 06:27 PM   #55 
  - I don't consider "illegitimacy" to be automatically irresponsible.  Lyric   Mar-04-10 08:04 PM   #75 
     - Nothing is "automatically irresponsible," but decades of social-science research  warm regards   Mar-06-10 08:48 AM   #82 
  - Here's my take.  TransitJohn   Mar-04-10 07:29 PM   #63 
  - There are many good responses above, just like to add another.  kiva   Mar-04-10 07:38 PM   #67 
  - having to function with less money year after year would be a start  proud patriot   Mar-04-10 07:46 PM   #70 
  - I think school today is WAY tougher than when I went in the 70's  hollowdweller   Mar-04-10 07:57 PM   #73 
  - Wow - I Sure Learned A Lot From The Response Here - It's Ashamed That We Didn't Get The Recommends .  global1   Mar-05-10 12:10 AM   #77 
  - three decades of creeping "business management" caused the fish to rot...  mike_c   Mar-05-10 11:25 AM   #78 
  - +1^ Corporatism needs uneducated, non-thinking droids as labor  upi402   Mar-05-10 11:36 AM   #79 
     - BINGO!! DING! DING! FUCKIN DING!!!!  Fire1   Mar-05-10 01:00 PM   #81 
  - Two words: Ronald Reagan  Kievan Rus   Mar-05-10 11:36 AM   #80 

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