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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 02:45 PM
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24. Unlikely. Obama is not about saving face. He's always admitted his mistakes and moved on.
And after Iraq, there is no way of preserving American prestige.

The most likely explanation is that Obama feels a responsibility to put the region back together and leave it in better shape than we found it.
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  -I'm quite used to having opinions on Afghanistan that are unpopular on DU. Robb  Mar-04-10 11:23 AM   #0 
  - Citation for that map?  arcadian   Mar-04-10 11:28 AM   #1 
  - I believe it was from the Asia Times  Robb   Mar-04-10 11:33 AM   #2 
  - Interesting and thought-provoking. Thanks for posting it.  LuckyLib   Mar-04-10 11:33 AM   #3 
  - +1  LynzM   Mar-04-10 11:53 AM   #6 
  - This is by far THE BEST historical-to-current accounting of the situation in Afghanistan  berni_mccoy   Mar-04-10 11:37 AM   #4 
  - I find your post frustrating on two accounts:  Adsos Letter   Mar-04-10 11:49 AM   #5 
  - +1. n/t  arthritisR_US   Mar-04-10 02:52 PM   #26 
  - okay. i read your entire post.  Soylent Brice   Mar-04-10 11:54 AM   #7 
  - The thing is we can't "fix" anything in the region, not by using the military  MadHound   Mar-04-10 11:56 AM   #8 
  - In order to fix it though, you need the Military to control an armed force that would not want it  berni_mccoy   Mar-04-10 12:04 PM   #12 
     - So then you're stuck,  MadHound   Mar-04-10 12:10 PM   #14 
        - pretty much.  JackRiddler   Mar-04-10 12:20 PM   #16 
  - I was writing about this when you were  WilliamPitt   Mar-04-10 11:57 AM   #9 
  - Very interesting OP...  Spazito   Mar-04-10 12:00 PM   #10 
  - Robb is NOT a dingbat.  DevonRex   Mar-04-10 12:04 PM   #11 
  - My thought exactly... Robb is far from a dingbat...  Ohio Joe   Mar-04-10 12:20 PM   #17 
  - Excellent post, even if I disagree with the conclusion.  JackRiddler   Mar-04-10 12:04 PM   #13 
  - Not at all  Robb   Mar-04-10 03:33 PM   #31 
  - The only thing that I find false is the "noble" part.  Arctic Dave   Mar-04-10 12:18 PM   #15 
  - K&R  Dappleganger   Mar-04-10 12:21 PM   #18 
  - face-saving and attempting to preserve American prestige  bigtree   Mar-04-10 12:34 PM   #19 
  - Unlikely. Obama is not about saving face. He's always admitted his mistakes and moved on.  berni_mccoy   Mar-04-10 02:45 PM   #24 
     - The president relies on the advice of his civilian defense and military leadership  bigtree   Mar-04-10 03:15 PM   #28 
     - Ok, that is a fair point. Perhaps, but I also believe  berni_mccoy   Mar-04-10 04:39 PM   #34 
     - It's not his own face he'd be saving, though it might be his ass...  JackRiddler   Mar-04-10 04:14 PM   #33 
  - kick  Adsos Letter   Mar-04-10 12:35 PM   #20 
  - One of the problems with your synopsis is there are no "good guys" in Afghanistan.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-04-10 12:58 PM   #21 
  - You think being a war-apologist makes you "unpopular" on DU? Maybe in 2003, but not on NU-DU 2010!  Political Heretic   Mar-04-10 01:00 PM   #22 
  - yup, whatever Obama is for, so is DU. If we are not in danger  jonnyblitz   Mar-04-10 03:31 PM   #30 
     - Sorry, but that's incorrect.  Robb   Mar-05-10 08:52 AM   #41 
  - Terrific Post, I May Have To Rethink Calling You A Dingbat  Beetwasher   Mar-04-10 01:04 PM   #23 
  - Kick & rec in the hope of a civilized debate.  JackRiddler   Mar-04-10 02:51 PM   #25 
  - K&R  Odin2005   Mar-04-10 02:54 PM   #27 
  - The troops largely don't support Afghanistan either, and many aren't buying the propaganda.  readmoreoften   Mar-04-10 03:30 PM   #29 
  - Post endorsed for mentioning RAWA.  JackRiddler   Mar-04-10 04:07 PM   #32 
  - +1  Echo In Light   Mar-04-10 04:46 PM   #35 
  - You get points for the nod to RAWA, good org  Robb   Mar-04-10 04:53 PM   #36 
  - Kick for the evening. nt  Robb   Mar-04-10 07:12 PM   #37 
  - K&R for a well thought out and well researched post.  JoeyT   Mar-04-10 10:07 PM   #38 
  - I was against Afghanistan in 2001 and I'm still against it..  Fumesucker   Mar-04-10 10:23 PM   #39 
  - Kicking  berni_mccoy   Mar-05-10 07:07 AM   #40 

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