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40. I would not trust anything Gates tells Obama about anything ,remember he was involved in Iran/Contra
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 06:52 AM by flyarm
He should have been indicted but the treshold of resonable doubt most likely kept him out of jail.

Gates was up to his eyeballs in the Iran -Contra crimes..wake the fuck up!


Gates and Casey's November 1986 Testimony

The events leading up to the preparation of false testimony by Director Casey in November 1986 -- preparations that Gates nominally oversaw -- are set forth in a separate chapter of this Report. There was insufficient evidence that Gates committed a crime as he participated in the preparation of Casey's testimony, or that he was aware of critical facts indicating that some of the statements by Casey and others were false.


Independent Counsel found insufficient evidence to warrant charging Robert Gates with a crime for his role in the Iran/contra affair. Like those of many other Iran/contra figures, the statements of Gates often seemed scripted and less than candid. Nevertheless, given the complex nature of the activities and Gates's apparent lack of direct participation, a jury could find the evidence left a reasonable doubt that Gates either obstructed official inquiries or that his two demonstrably incorrect statements were deliberate lies.

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  -War War War War War War War War War War War War War War. For oil. Octafish  Mar-03-10 07:46 PM   #0 
  - Fuck war.  asdjrocky   Mar-03-10 07:47 PM   #1 
  - +1,000,000,000,000  invictus   Mar-03-10 07:51 PM   #7 
  - It really bugs me that so few seem to be bothered by the fact our nation is engaging in endless war.  Octafish   Mar-03-10 07:52 PM   #9 
  - Thank you Octafish, it's an outstanding post.  asdjrocky   Mar-03-10 08:01 PM   #16 
  - The UNITED STATES OF AWARICA  Plucketeer   Mar-04-10 12:56 PM   #60 
     - Hey ol' buddy.  asdjrocky   Mar-05-10 10:06 AM   #103 
        - Plucky as ever!  Plucketeer   Mar-05-10 12:35 PM   #105 
  - Hey, if it doesn't involve American Idol or  liberalhistorian   Mar-03-10 09:18 PM   #37 
  - And in an instant, the scales fell from my eyes and I could see tee vee.  Octafish   Mar-03-10 09:42 PM   #38 
     - A million?  Richard D   Mar-04-10 03:52 PM   #79 
     - Not only sick but incomprehensible to me.  Jackpine Radical   Mar-04-10 08:00 PM   #100 
  - How exactly do you "wage peace" against the Taliban?  smalll   Mar-04-10 12:29 PM   #53 
  - How exactly do you "wage peace" against the Taliban?  AlbertCat   Mar-04-10 01:44 PM   #64 
  - You do it by putting them out of business,  ThomThom   Mar-04-10 04:22 PM   #82 
  - I seem to be hearing a lot of people ARE bothered by the war.  dixiegrrrrl   Mar-04-10 12:41 PM   #55 
     - Trouble is, when millions from all over the world marched before the Iraq invasion  FiveGoodMen   Mar-04-10 02:04 PM   #68 
     - Today students across the country march in protest  obxhead   Mar-04-10 02:28 PM   #71 
        - It is different now than when we were younger, mostly the draft explains student apathy  Dragonfli   Mar-04-10 07:55 PM   #99 
  - _  Echo In Light   Mar-04-10 06:56 AM   #42 
  - and another  leftstreet   Mar-04-10 12:32 PM   #54 
  - No argument here. When a soldier dies or is injured, it does not matter who is in the White House.  BrklynLiberal   Mar-04-10 03:08 PM   #75 
     - I think more about the innocents that inevitably die in war.  asdjrocky   Mar-05-10 10:07 AM   #104 
  - Would have been a huge success too if we had actually got the oil..  walldude   Mar-03-10 07:47 PM   #2 
  - There is that.  Robb   Mar-03-10 07:48 PM   #3 
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  - International Fiends. Er. 'Friends.'  Octafish   Mar-03-10 07:57 PM   #14 
  - The oil was never for us.  bvar22   Mar-03-10 09:11 PM   #33 
  - +1 - look at the Burj Dubai if you want to see who we are fighting these wars for!  grahamhgreen   Mar-04-10 12:45 PM   #58 
  - It wasn't about taking it  whosinpower   Mar-04-10 04:23 PM   #83 
  - Bush just needs a lit cigarette in his mouth to look right at home.  Uncle Joe   Mar-03-10 07:48 PM   #4 
  - ...and the customary resulting explosion from smoking at the gas pump.  L0oniX   Mar-03-10 07:57 PM   #13 
  - The guy's not qualified to pump gas.  Octafish   Mar-03-10 08:04 PM   #18 
  - I hate war, war is politics by other means. n/t  HysteryDiagnosis   Mar-03-10 07:50 PM   #5 
  - Me too  BeFree   Mar-03-10 07:57 PM   #12 
  - Crazy: The Pentagon and CIA chief Dulles recommended nuclear first-strike to JFK for Fall '63?  Octafish   Mar-03-10 08:18 PM   #21 
     - 100% correct:  Gabi Hayes   Mar-03-10 08:37 PM   #28 
        - I would not trust anything Gates tells Obama about anything ,remember he was involved in Iran/Contra  flyarm   Mar-04-10 06:51 AM   #40 
  - Boycott anything made with oil or anything that oil provided energy for  stray cat   Mar-03-10 07:50 PM   #6 
  - Would that even be possible?  BoWanZi   Mar-03-10 07:57 PM   #15 
  - No the 20th century development of oil based products has addicted human society  Uncle Joe   Mar-03-10 08:05 PM   #19 
  - And yet that is EXACTLY what will happen....  Subdivisions   Mar-04-10 11:39 AM   #49 
  - Thanks for that encapsulation of reality.  robertpaulsen   Mar-04-10 01:46 PM   #66 
     - Thanks, rp. Always nice to have you back me up on this subject.  Subdivisions   Mar-04-10 05:52 PM   #93 
        - Right on, Subdivisions! EVERYONE needs to watch this video!  robertpaulsen   Mar-05-10 05:02 PM   #106 
        - 'We're already starting to see residual effects of this with  Subdivisions   Mar-05-10 08:22 PM   #109 
        - One more point after watching Part 3 of the videos.  robertpaulsen   Mar-05-10 06:35 PM   #107 
           - Unfortunately we, collectively, will NOT realize that before it is too late. That is our fate. n/t  Subdivisions   Mar-05-10 08:26 PM   #110 
  - Your post is a sad and telling one.  truedelphi   Mar-04-10 03:42 PM   #78 
     - Wow! That's great TrueDelphi!  kimmerspixelated   Mar-04-10 04:56 PM   #86 
  - The world needs to get off it's empire treadmill and the nations with the most power  Uncle Joe   Mar-03-10 08:01 PM   #17 
  - Fiberweed  Octafish   Mar-03-10 08:14 PM   #20 
  - I agree. But that would be impossible.  arcadian   Mar-04-10 01:45 PM   #65 
  - Yeah. War fucking bothers  Autumn   Mar-03-10 07:52 PM   #10 
  - Excellent idea.  Octafish   Mar-03-10 08:43 PM   #30 
  - But by all means keep cheer leading those who join the military.  L0oniX   Mar-03-10 07:55 PM   #11 
  - medals are just cogs in the war machine.  mopinko   Mar-03-10 08:27 PM   #22 
  - And 'thanking' them.  tekisui   Mar-03-10 08:32 PM   #23 
  - For what? Contributing to the destruction of this country? Fighting for the corporations?  L0oniX   Mar-03-10 08:33 PM   #25 
  - Military is not the problem. The financial parasites are. nt  anonymous171   Mar-04-10 03:10 PM   #76 
  - I hate war. Actually hate isn't a strong enough word.  tekisui   Mar-03-10 08:33 PM   #24 
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  - Reminds me George Carlin, 'America is the only fucking country with bombs & rockets...  bridgit   Mar-03-10 08:37 PM   #26 
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  - recommend  amborin   Mar-03-10 08:37 PM   #27 
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  - K&R....n/t  unkachuck   Mar-03-10 09:12 PM   #35 
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  - O. K.  northofdenali   Mar-04-10 12:41 AM   #39 
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  - and it continues to this day  Mari333   Mar-04-10 10:35 AM   #44 
  - Seizing Iraq was *co's solution to  Subdivisions   Mar-04-10 10:37 AM   #45 
  - Goober is pumping Ethyl!  Hubert Flottz   Mar-04-10 10:37 AM   #46 
  - Now that you mention it, Goober always kinda looked at Aunt Bea funny, too.  Octafish   Mar-04-10 06:33 PM   #95 
     - Too stoned to govern...  Hubert Flottz   Mar-05-10 05:37 AM   #102 
  - Peace prosperity stability fun mo luaus less famine less waste less misery mo wisdom  opihimoimoi   Mar-04-10 10:39 AM   #47 
  - War is profit- KBR get's a 2.8 Billion $ contract despite egregious actions:  mod mom   Mar-04-10 11:05 AM   #48 
  - "Disturbing story of Fallujah's birth defects"  sabrina 1   Mar-04-10 12:15 PM   #50 
  - Ugh...!  grahamhgreen   Mar-04-10 12:44 PM   #57 
  - Yes depleted uranium weapons are a war crime that will go on  ThomThom   Mar-04-10 04:34 PM   #85 
  - Yes, war bothers me.  Soylent Brice   Mar-04-10 12:21 PM   #51 
  - I hate war  MissDeeds   Mar-04-10 12:27 PM   #52 
  - Yes. "End the madness of Obama's war!" (adapted from German war resisters slogan.)  grahamhgreen   Mar-04-10 12:42 PM   #56 
  - "What Good is it for?"  fascisthunter   Mar-04-10 12:50 PM   #59 
  - absolutely nothing!  bdamomma   Mar-04-10 02:34 PM   #73 
  - I thought it was to get Iraq's oil off the market  hootinholler   Mar-04-10 12:58 PM   #61 
  - WE ARE WAR SLAVES! - and that's not even the slightest exaggeration.  patrice   Mar-04-10 01:16 PM   #62 
  - Well and frighteningly put. Maybe Mar 15 should be tax for war freedom day.  pundaint   Mar-04-10 03:18 PM   #77 
  - Fantastic Post  Goldstein1984   Mar-04-10 01:42 PM   #63 
  - Palin isn't even sure - after encouraging her own son to fight - *video*  tomm2thumbs   Mar-04-10 01:46 PM   #67 
  - It is not for oil so stop saying that!  KamaAina   Mar-04-10 02:07 PM   #69 
  - Double-Oh Karzai -- Our Man in UNOCAL put the Taliban in Texas  Octafish   Mar-04-10 06:15 PM   #94 
  - I knew it!  Jkid   Mar-04-10 02:24 PM   #70 
  - "America's War" is sure to end badly...  The_Commonist   Mar-04-10 02:30 PM   #72 
  - K+R brother. nt  naaman fletcher   Mar-04-10 02:40 PM   #74 
  - Hell, * said it was about oil...  Chemical Bill   Mar-04-10 04:20 PM   #80 
  - Thank you Octafish.  juno jones   Mar-04-10 04:20 PM   #81 
  - IF we had a democracy  Enthusiast   Mar-04-10 04:26 PM   #84 
  - K & R .... We Progressives Didn't leave the Party  SlingBlade   Mar-04-10 05:02 PM   #87 
  - kr  Norrin Radd   Mar-04-10 05:04 PM   #88 
  - time to consider that war is not an acceptable problem solving tool..  G_j   Mar-04-10 05:06 PM   #89 
  - aside from a short period in the 90s, we've been at war since  onethatcares   Mar-04-10 05:09 PM   #90 
  - LOVE PEACE..Let's get us some o' THAT!  gimama   Mar-04-10 05:10 PM   #91 
  - O,yeah.. knr!  gimama   Mar-04-10 05:11 PM   #92 
  - K&R  Cetacea   Mar-04-10 07:15 PM   #97 
  - K& too late  maryf   Mar-04-10 07:50 PM   #98 
  - that outift, that pose.  Sheepshank   Mar-04-10 08:06 PM   #101 
  - It has been sad to learn how very many of our wars have been for oil.  Overseas   Mar-05-10 06:39 PM   #108 

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