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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-03-10 01:53 PM
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18. It certainly critiques the school but it also acknowledges that
Edited on Wed Mar-03-10 01:56 PM by izzybeans
it was undergoing a big reform and was dealing with severe turnover in the administration.

It looks like the board shut this school down in midstream as it was working on the type of curriculum and instructional reforms advocated by most education reformers.

The bit about the students sitting with their heads down was troubling for sure, but this report doesn't justify the nuclear option for the school.

Looking at the turnaround schools here in Chicago, there appears to be little justification for the policy. They disrupt student achievement and force the school to start from scratch. if a charter company comes into this school to manage it they are just going to make the same reforms that were already in place in this school (e.g. differentiated instruction, literacy infused specials courses, etc.). Hell they'll probably hire back many of the old teachers (without union contracts of course). That's how it works here.

I do not advocate locking charters out of public schools like many people do. If they allow students to go beyond attendance boundaries and attend schools whose children are more committed to education than the one in their neighborhood (which is the case in many low income neighborhoods-urban and rural) so be it. To me its not about competition but choice. If you are a family living near a poorly performing school with a lot of violence, drugs, etc. would you want to be stuck with that as your only option? No.

But there are times when over-zealous reforms harm the children they were intended to help. I'd place big bets on that happening here.
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  -Based on this 2009 report from the RI Commissioner's office re Central Falls High school EFerrari  Mar-03-10 11:57 AM   #0 
  - The President must be called to account for these remarks.  saracat   Mar-03-10 12:06 PM   #1 
  - I second  LisaM   Mar-03-10 12:08 PM   #2 
  - I'll volunteer for the  Nite Owl   Mar-03-10 12:18 PM   #4 
  - Yes Indeed  Dinger   Mar-03-10 10:32 PM   #74 
  - Sent an e-mail  atreides1   Mar-03-10 12:15 PM   #3 
  - Thanks, atreidies1. Right on the nose. n/t  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 12:32 PM   #5 
  - A few remarks..  DFab420   Mar-03-10 12:37 PM   #6 
  - Report ends: "I wish you CONTINUED success in the future. "  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 12:44 PM   #7 
  - Congrats. That was some careful reading digging up those criticisms by "some parents"  Doremus   Mar-03-10 06:25 PM   #64 
  - ACK. That phone number is wrong. It's 202 456-1111.  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 12:58 PM   #8 
  - Thanks for this. I emailed to the white house  izzybeans   Mar-03-10 01:12 PM   #9 
     - Thanks, izzy. I'm sending the action out to my network  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 01:33 PM   #10 
     - Hmmm...  DFab420   Mar-03-10 01:35 PM   #12 
        - The rest of the report is not damning in any way. But thanks for stopping by to cherrypick.  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 01:40 PM   #14 
        - Cherry-pick?  DFab420   Mar-03-10 02:04 PM   #30 
           - This school got a good report from the state.  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 02:08 PM   #32 
              - I know this sounds lazy  DFab420   Mar-03-10 02:12 PM   #35 
                 - The link is in the OP. n/t  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 02:25 PM   #41 
        - It certainly critiques the school but it also acknowledges that  izzybeans   Mar-03-10 01:53 PM   #18 
  - A little more:  The Straight Story   Mar-03-10 01:34 PM   #11 
  - Thank you for that information.  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 01:42 PM   #15 
  - I wonder if the teachers warrant a beer at the picnic table.  Tailormyst   Mar-03-10 01:36 PM   #13 
  - Jim Crowley is called "Jim Crow" in his neighborhood and lied on his police report.  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 01:48 PM   #16 
  - Beer, Pizza and an apology !!!  Tailormyst   Mar-03-10 01:56 PM   #22 
  - This is what the teachers said no to..  DFab420   Mar-03-10 01:49 PM   #17 
     - Take your RW talking points and kindly shove them.  Tailormyst   Mar-03-10 01:55 PM   #19 
     - Why are my point RW talking points?  DFab420   Mar-03-10 02:01 PM   #28 
        - This wasn't a tough decision. It was mendacity to mass fire these teachers  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 02:07 PM   #31 
           - The firing people part.  DFab420   Mar-03-10 02:45 PM   #48 
     - Excuse me? So you think that your boss should be able to demand  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 01:55 PM   #20 
     - You are kinder to him then I was !  Tailormyst   Mar-03-10 01:57 PM   #23 
     - We need this thread to stay civil because this is important.  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 01:59 PM   #26 
        - Absolutely  DFab420   Mar-03-10 02:10 PM   #33 
           - I don't instantly do anything. I read up on the situation. You?  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 02:23 PM   #40 
           - As much as I possibly can  DFab420   Mar-03-10 02:32 PM   #45 
              - It is all hell breaking out for those teachers and those students.  Tailormyst   Mar-03-10 03:21 PM   #55 
                 - Are you sure?  DFab420   Mar-03-10 03:46 PM   #61 
                    - I live in the area and I come from a family of public school teachers.  Tailormyst   Mar-03-10 06:42 PM   #66 
           - So you're saying that the teachers should work for free?  Raineyb   Mar-03-10 09:12 PM   #69 
     - um, yes  dem mba   Mar-04-10 08:58 AM   #77 
     - They said no to working extra hours for no pay  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-03-10 02:11 PM   # 
     - I've never met a teacher who was paid for the actual hours they work.  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 02:27 PM   #43 
        - I come from a family of teachers  Tailormyst   Mar-03-10 03:18 PM   #54 
     - Meaningless stat  Quezacoatl   Mar-03-10 02:13 PM   #36 
     - No no no  DFab420   Mar-03-10 02:22 PM   #39 
        - Well that's not true  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-03-10 02:32 PM   #44 
        - Ah yes  DFab420   Mar-03-10 02:37 PM   #46 
        - No they don't- Your numbers are wrong.  Tailormyst   Mar-03-10 03:21 PM   #56 
           - I know..and  DFab420   Mar-03-10 03:35 PM   #59 
              - You're welcome  Tailormyst   Mar-03-10 06:40 PM   #65 
     - i'm sure you'd have no objections to doing more work for free, right?  frylock   Mar-03-10 02:53 PM   #49 
        - I'm sure I don't either.  DFab420   Mar-03-10 02:56 PM   #50 
           - By the same logic, slavery is the height of virtue.  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 03:16 PM   #53 
           - really?  DFab420   Mar-03-10 03:34 PM   #58 
              - You're awfullly free with the time and effort of other people.  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 07:06 PM   #67 
              - Really?  Kalun D   Mar-04-10 01:25 AM   #75 
           - do you just function at your pay-grade?  frylock   Mar-03-10 03:36 PM   #60 
              - Well I'm glad to hear you do give more  DFab420   Mar-03-10 03:52 PM   #62 
  - Put in the OP: he also praised a Gates-funded school with *worse* scores  Hannah Bell   Mar-03-10 01:56 PM   #21 
  - KBR, whose most notable success was electrocuting our troops,  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 01:58 PM   #24 
     - union-busting & hypocrisy. and an increase in unemployment = recessionary spiral.  Hannah Bell   Mar-03-10 02:25 PM   #42 
  - New headline suggestion..  BeFree   Mar-03-10 01:58 PM   #25 
  - No, the facts are not blurry. This school got a good report from the state.  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 02:03 PM   #29 
     - Well  BeFree   Mar-03-10 02:11 PM   #34 
        - They didn't need to clean house. Did you see the state audit?  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 02:20 PM   #38 
  - He was teaching science. Proving the scientific theory that "shit flows downhill". K&R  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-03-10 02:01 PM   #27 
  - This is all so unjust  proud2BlibKansan   Mar-03-10 02:15 PM   #37 
  - This is a good opportunity for us to show the president  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 02:39 PM   #47 
  - I called. thank you!  Bluebear   Mar-03-10 02:58 PM   #51 
  - Thank you, Bluebear.  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 03:10 PM   #52 
  - k/r  Solly Mack   Mar-03-10 03:22 PM   #57 
  - again  Bluebear   Mar-03-10 05:16 PM   #63 
  - k/r  fishwax   Mar-03-10 07:32 PM   #68 
  - kick n/t  Starry Messenger   Mar-03-10 09:39 PM   #70 
  - Schools like this one are in economically deprived areas...  hayu_lol   Mar-03-10 09:59 PM   #71 
  - You probably meant this for Beth  Starry Messenger   Mar-03-10 10:02 PM   #72 
  - Could you point me a little better to what you mean about E St. Louis?  EFerrari   Mar-03-10 10:23 PM   #73 
  - I love Principal Snyder!  freddie mertz   Mar-04-10 08:12 AM   #76 
     - Bwahhaha!  Starry Messenger   Mar-04-10 09:09 AM   #78 
        - Right! At times he seems "morally ambiguous" but in the end, he stands up to the monster.  freddie mertz   Mar-04-10 11:02 AM   #79 
  - the phone number is wrong  bonnieS   Mar-04-10 12:30 PM   #80 
  - Yep. I corrected it after the editing period in #8.  EFerrari   Mar-04-10 02:28 PM   #81 
  - thanks for posting  amborin   Mar-04-10 03:47 PM   #82 
 

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