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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-10 09:01 PM
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111. Not accurate.
Ted Kennedy was certainly a supporter of NCLB, along with George Miller. Which tarnished both, in my eyes.

Rhode Island has everything to do with unions. Central Falls is not performing worse than other similar schools in that area.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Yes, their performance is poor. The firing of the staff is a political move, though, not a move to make things better. It didn't work well for Duncan in Chicago, it won't work here, and yes, BY GOD, Obama is a union-buster.

That's the whole point of firing the teachers. To get around their contract. Not to improve anyone's opportunities.
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  -Something Many DUers Aren't Going To Like Or Want To Admit berni_mccoy  Mar-02-10 02:58 PM   #0 
  - That is true. However when NCLB passed, it was with the understanding...  arbusto_baboso   Mar-02-10 03:00 PM   #1 
  - Here is one thing I don't get. Doesn't congress control funding?  Statistical   Mar-02-10 03:14 PM   #14 
  - It was passed by a Republican majorty.  arbusto_baboso   Mar-02-10 03:19 PM   #15 
     - The money has NEVER existed (at least not in last 30 years).  Statistical   Mar-02-10 03:23 PM   #17 
     - With large support from Liberal Democrats. Passed with more than 90 votes in the Senate  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 03:26 PM   #19 
        - Thanks. Information is power.  Statistical   Mar-02-10 03:38 PM   #26 
        - Yep. Nothing I know of that has prevented them from going back and funding it after we regained the  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:55 PM   #38 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 04:19 PM   #52 
           - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:45 PM   #58 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 04:55 PM   #66 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 07:23 PM   #95 
  - Kennedy didn't create NCLB. It was Bush and it was based on the Texas  tonysam   Mar-02-10 04:18 PM   #50 
  - +1  inna   Mar-02-10 06:40 PM   #83 
  - Kennedy was the original sponsor in the Senate  harkadog   Mar-02-10 07:00 PM   #88 
  - Ted was hoodwinked. NCLB was modeled after the Houston Miracle whose results were  OmmmSweetOmmm   Mar-02-10 09:29 PM   #114 
  - Funding has only recently become an issue. Prior to this year, schools  warm regards   Mar-02-10 07:28 PM   #98 
     - lame sig. Edited to add: and post, too.  inna   Mar-02-10 09:26 PM   #113 
        - I'm sorry if reality doesn’t fit your world view. I really am.  warm regards   Mar-03-10 04:20 AM   #124 
  - Union busting would be when you fired good teachers  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-02-10 03:00 PM   #2 
  - i agree the union busting thing is a sham  paulsby   Mar-02-10 03:13 PM   #11 
  - If they fired an entire department and moved towards replacing them with non-union policemen  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:40 PM   #29 
     - that's a good point  paulsby   Mar-02-10 03:59 PM   #41 
        - I'm not really sure but I suspect it is another move to get more charter schools.  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:04 PM   #43 
        - and, as with new hires at gm, & the new non-union gm plant, to, uh, "re-negotiate".  Hannah Bell   Mar-03-10 04:29 AM   #127 
        - They're not.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-02-10 05:15 PM   #71 
           - So, option A  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 05:26 PM   #76 
           - uh, 1) most charter schools = non-union. 2) all the other options = violating existing  Hannah Bell   Mar-03-10 04:31 AM   #128 
  - Exactly ~  goclark   Mar-02-10 06:48 PM   #85 
  - union busting would be when you fired an entire school in violation of contract, precedent, & esta-  Hannah Bell   Mar-03-10 04:28 AM   #126 
  - But, moooooommmmmmmm, Teddy did it, too!  Cerridwen   Mar-02-10 03:04 PM   #3 
  - Ted Kennedy sucked on this issue too.  Starry Messenger   Mar-02-10 03:06 PM   #4 
  - Ted got suckered by Bush on this. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:41 PM   #30 
  - I know.  Starry Messenger   Mar-02-10 04:51 PM   #62 
  - Are you serious?  Rage for Order   Mar-02-10 08:02 PM   #106 
  - Great photoshop! Love it. :) Privatization = Piratization. nt  inna   Mar-02-10 06:43 PM   #84 
     - Thanks inna!  Starry Messenger   Mar-02-10 06:52 PM   #86 
  - But I read right here that Obama DESPISES public education...  SidDithers   Mar-02-10 03:06 PM   #5 
  - Could be the reason his Secretary of Education is such a fan of charter schools. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:41 PM   #31 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 03:06 PM   #6 
  - 'Obama is one of the most pro-union Presidents of all time'  leftstreet   Mar-02-10 03:07 PM   #7 
  - amazing, isn't it?  inna   Mar-02-10 03:13 PM   #12 
     - Yep!  leftstreet   Mar-02-10 03:14 PM   #13 
        - double yep. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:42 PM   #33 
  - It's funny that Law and Order had an episode last night pitting  WCGreen   Mar-02-10 03:11 PM   #8 
  - She would have been more sympathetic if the kids weren't...  ChicagoSuz219   Mar-02-10 03:37 PM   #25 
     - It is a crime drama, after all...  WCGreen   Mar-02-10 03:47 PM   #36 
        - Naked City is on Me-TV here in Chicago...  ChicagoSuz219   Mar-02-10 08:49 PM   #108 
           - Yea, I seem to remember this story...  WCGreen   Mar-03-10 12:57 AM   #117 
              - I'm watching it now! :-) n/t  ChicagoSuz219   Mar-03-10 01:17 AM   #120 
  - "God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board."  Fumesucker   Mar-02-10 03:11 PM   #9 
  - Actually: never mind  Tailormyst   Mar-02-10 03:12 PM   #10 
  - Good point  NJmaverick   Mar-02-10 03:21 PM   #16 
  - Call it what you want...  nykym   Mar-02-10 03:23 PM   #18 
  - When your job depends on the values, success and/or  Fire1   Mar-02-10 05:17 PM   #73 
  - To be honest with you  nykym   Mar-03-10 09:48 AM   #143 
  - If you were on Wall St., you'd be getting a big fat bonus..  girl gone mad   Mar-03-10 02:10 AM   #122 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 03:27 PM   #20 
  - I'm more than happy directing my outrage where it belongs.  Political Heretic   Mar-02-10 03:29 PM   #21 
  - +1000...yeah, and with that thinking, Obama is a "fierce advocate"  joeybee12   Mar-02-10 03:43 PM   #34 
  - What, Bernie, if Teddy did it that means it is auto-righteous?  Bluenorthwest   Mar-02-10 03:31 PM   #22 
  - Unions themselves say they are "reeling" from unexpected defeats handed to them by Obama  Political Heretic   Mar-02-10 03:31 PM   #23 
  - "Labor Unions Regroup After Being Stunned by Losses Under Obama, Democrats"  Political Heretic   Mar-02-10 03:32 PM   #24 
  - Yeah, most DUers are aware how Bush screwed Kennedy over on this  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:38 PM   #27 
  - I'm not a proponent of testing and I am a union supporter - but only 7%  BR_Parkway   Mar-02-10 03:39 PM   #28 
  - That is a bogus number. Got a link? nt  ipaint   Mar-02-10 04:01 PM   #42 
  - Ask the OP, I was commenting on that  BR_Parkway   Mar-02-10 04:07 PM   #45 
  - Not bogus at all. LINK:  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 04:15 PM   #47 
     - 7% of one grade level and that is a 4% improvement from 2008.  ipaint   Mar-02-10 04:49 PM   #61 
        - It's amazing how quickly this meme spread  Starry Messenger   Mar-02-10 04:54 PM   #65 
        - Yes, amazing isn't it. The people spreading it unquestioningly are NOT to be trusted.  ipaint   Mar-02-10 05:17 PM   #74 
           - Berni's pretty transparent. He's a party guy.  Starry Messenger   Mar-02-10 05:28 PM   #77 
        - 4% improvement ended up with 7% competency? Yep. Still fail.  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 05:00 PM   #67 
           - Link to back up the salary number? nt  ipaint   Mar-02-10 05:15 PM   #72 
              - Here you go  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 05:22 PM   #75 
                 - Right out of the union busting superintendant's mouth.  ipaint   Mar-02-10 05:34 PM   #79 
                    - If she's lying about their salaries, the journalist could easily verify. Not one  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 05:59 PM   #82 
  - Might be more credible if they had fired all the math teachers in that case  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:06 PM   #44 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 04:17 PM   #49 
        - Yeah, the big problem being the same all over. The corporatists want to privatize our public school  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:51 PM   #63 
           - +1  mmonk   Mar-03-10 05:08 AM   #130 
  - A nationwide move to privatize education, bust teachers/unions, replace public schools with charters  omega minimo   Mar-02-10 03:42 PM   #32 
  - Yep. It's disgusting. It was infuriating under the Repubs and inexcusable with alleged Democrats in  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:51 PM   #37 
     - Straight out of Gingrich Contract on America, being enabled by Frank "Death Tax" Lunz  omega minimo   Mar-02-10 04:34 PM   #55 
  - What would Ted Kennedy know about public education?  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-02-10 03:45 PM   #35 
  - Are you saying the 'turnaround model' - fire at least half of the teachers - was in NCLB?  muriel_volestrangler   Mar-02-10 03:56 PM   #39 
  - "It's for politicians who want to say "look at me! I'm tough! If something's wrong, I fire lots of  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:08 PM   #46 
  - Nothing brings out people's inner corporatists like a little teacher bashing. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:56 PM   #40 
  - False. It was by George W, Bush.  tonysam   Mar-02-10 04:16 PM   #48 
  - Next time, do a little research before spouting off  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 04:18 PM   #51 
     - No, quit spewing garbage, Berni.  tonysam   Mar-02-10 04:20 PM   #53 
        - Correct. Ted supported it with the understanding it would be funded.  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:48 PM   #60 
        - Ted passed it with large support from both dems and repubs  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 05:04 PM   #70 
           - NCLB was founded on liberal democratic principles? Bush's NCLB?  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 05:40 PM   #80 
              - you'll have to forgive berni  Skittles   Mar-02-10 07:30 PM   #100 
                 - When isn't he?  Forkboy   Mar-03-10 07:41 AM   #136 
  - Unrecommend.  tonysam   Mar-02-10 04:23 PM   #54 
  - did you used to be a sailor? n/t  mzteris   Mar-02-10 04:46 PM   #59 
  - Obama's seeking an additional $1.35 billion dollars to help failing schools.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-02-10 06:55 PM   #87 
     - Perhaps he should tell Arne  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 07:29 PM   #99 
  - I wish I could unrec this one hundred times.  freddie mertz   Mar-02-10 04:37 PM   #56 
  - right there with you. I regret I have but one unrec to give to this post. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:44 PM   #57 
  - For Once, I Agree  NashVegas   Mar-02-10 04:54 PM   #64 
  - Recommend. I'm one of few here who know a principal AND several teachers in the Ocean State, (RI)  NYC_SKP   Mar-02-10 05:00 PM   #68 
  - totally bogus garbage  amborin   Mar-02-10 05:03 PM   #69 
  - Just because dear ol' Teddy had a hand in it doesn't make it right.  MadHound   Mar-02-10 05:33 PM   #78 
  - Totally on target, there! nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 05:58 PM   #81 
  - exactly. well said.  inna   Mar-02-10 07:01 PM   #89 
  - Not just Kennedy but nearly all the democrats in congress  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 07:02 PM   #90 
     - I believe they thought the program would be funded at the time they voted for it  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 07:31 PM   #103 
     - Yeah, I know how many Dems were in on it.  MadHound   Mar-02-10 09:40 PM   #116 
  - I always read, look forward to, and respect your posts.  Mike 03   Mar-02-10 07:05 PM   #91 
  - Ted has done some things that I would never have done  Grand Taurean   Mar-02-10 07:07 PM   #92 
  - Bush certainly promoted it, but Ted sponsored it and a vast majority of both parties  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 07:20 PM   #93 
     - It's a bad program and I think most here opposed it at the time  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 07:34 PM   #104 
     - Where are you going to get 93 trained teachers from?  Grand Taurean   Mar-02-10 08:25 PM   #107 
  - Is there anyone you won't throw under the bus to defend Obama?  anonymous171   Mar-02-10 07:22 PM   #94 
  - Who is being thrown under the bus?  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 07:23 PM   #96 
  - Not that I've seen yet. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 07:28 PM   #97 
  - No. n/t  QC   Mar-02-10 08:54 PM   #109 
  - No.  Forkboy   Mar-03-10 07:41 AM   #137 
  - I think I know the answer.  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 09:40 AM   #141 
  - Wow.  asdjrocky   Mar-02-10 07:30 PM   #101 
  - Oh, anything for the cause, you know. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-03-10 02:25 AM   #123 
  - ted kennedy believed in doing, not just talking...  aungsungsuchi2   Mar-02-10 07:31 PM   #102 
  - Comedian  Kalun D   Mar-02-10 08:00 PM   #105 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 08:59 PM   #110 
  - Not accurate.  LWolf   Mar-02-10 09:01 PM   #111 
  - ...  inna   Mar-02-10 09:21 PM   #112 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 09:35 PM   #115 
  - You're one of my favorite comedians.  Marr   Mar-03-10 01:04 AM   #118 
  - LOL! BM! The worst comedian in the universe since...  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 09:43 AM   #142 
  - You saying Obama is more pro union that Ted Kennedy?  upi402   Mar-03-10 01:12 AM   #119 
  - Nice point, but you're barking up the wrong tree.  Frank Booth   Mar-03-10 01:47 AM   #121 
  - Apparently, the privatizers have no defense but an army of straw men.  Hannah Bell   Mar-03-10 04:23 AM   #125 
  - I never cease to be amazed ..  gleaner   Mar-03-10 04:53 AM   #129 
  - NCLB reminds me of the Cheshire Cat's smile  cornermouse   Mar-03-10 06:06 AM   #131 
  - I agree with all your points. I also happen to know some REALLY BAD teachers, especially  lamp_shade   Mar-03-10 06:14 AM   #132 
  - Ted Kennedy would puke if he read this.nt.  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 09:19 AM   #140 
  - Didn't Ted say this was the biggest mistake of his senate career  madokie   Mar-03-10 06:18 AM   #133 
  - He was certainly not happy with the end result.  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 07:17 AM   #134 
     - So am I,  madokie   Mar-03-10 07:36 AM   #135 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-03-10 07:54 AM   #138 
     - Teachers are "vermin" now?  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 09:18 AM   #139 
        - Oh, please stop with the dramatics...  kjackson227   Mar-03-10 09:54 AM   #144 
           - It doesn't "upset" me, it PISSES ME OFF.  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 09:59 AM   #145 
              - whatever...  kjackson227   Mar-03-10 10:01 AM   #146 
                 - You got nothing.  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 10:04 AM   #147 
 

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