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69. totally bogus garbage
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  -Something Many DUers Aren't Going To Like Or Want To Admit berni_mccoy  Mar-02-10 02:58 PM   #0 
  - That is true. However when NCLB passed, it was with the understanding...  arbusto_baboso   Mar-02-10 03:00 PM   #1 
  - Here is one thing I don't get. Doesn't congress control funding?  Statistical   Mar-02-10 03:14 PM   #14 
  - It was passed by a Republican majorty.  arbusto_baboso   Mar-02-10 03:19 PM   #15 
     - The money has NEVER existed (at least not in last 30 years).  Statistical   Mar-02-10 03:23 PM   #17 
     - With large support from Liberal Democrats. Passed with more than 90 votes in the Senate  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 03:26 PM   #19 
        - Thanks. Information is power.  Statistical   Mar-02-10 03:38 PM   #26 
        - Yep. Nothing I know of that has prevented them from going back and funding it after we regained the  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:55 PM   #38 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 04:19 PM   #52 
           - +1000 nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:45 PM   #58 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 04:55 PM   #66 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 07:23 PM   #95 
  - Kennedy didn't create NCLB. It was Bush and it was based on the Texas  tonysam   Mar-02-10 04:18 PM   #50 
  - +1  inna   Mar-02-10 06:40 PM   #83 
  - Kennedy was the original sponsor in the Senate  harkadog   Mar-02-10 07:00 PM   #88 
  - Ted was hoodwinked. NCLB was modeled after the Houston Miracle whose results were  OmmmSweetOmmm   Mar-02-10 09:29 PM   #114 
  - Funding has only recently become an issue. Prior to this year, schools  warm regards   Mar-02-10 07:28 PM   #98 
     - lame sig. Edited to add: and post, too.  inna   Mar-02-10 09:26 PM   #113 
        - I'm sorry if reality doesnt fit your world view. I really am.  warm regards   Mar-03-10 04:20 AM   #124 
  - Union busting would be when you fired good teachers  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-02-10 03:00 PM   #2 
  - i agree the union busting thing is a sham  paulsby   Mar-02-10 03:13 PM   #11 
  - If they fired an entire department and moved towards replacing them with non-union policemen  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:40 PM   #29 
     - that's a good point  paulsby   Mar-02-10 03:59 PM   #41 
        - I'm not really sure but I suspect it is another move to get more charter schools.  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:04 PM   #43 
        - and, as with new hires at gm, & the new non-union gm plant, to, uh, "re-negotiate".  Hannah Bell   Mar-03-10 04:29 AM   #127 
        - They're not.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-02-10 05:15 PM   #71 
           - So, option A  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 05:26 PM   #76 
           - uh, 1) most charter schools = non-union. 2) all the other options = violating existing  Hannah Bell   Mar-03-10 04:31 AM   #128 
  - Exactly ~  goclark   Mar-02-10 06:48 PM   #85 
  - union busting would be when you fired an entire school in violation of contract, precedent, & esta-  Hannah Bell   Mar-03-10 04:28 AM   #126 
  - But, moooooommmmmmmm, Teddy did it, too!  Cerridwen   Mar-02-10 03:04 PM   #3 
  - Ted Kennedy sucked on this issue too.  Starry Messenger   Mar-02-10 03:06 PM   #4 
  - Ted got suckered by Bush on this. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:41 PM   #30 
  - I know.  Starry Messenger   Mar-02-10 04:51 PM   #62 
  - Are you serious?  Rage for Order   Mar-02-10 08:02 PM   #106 
  - Great photoshop! Love it. :) Privatization = Piratization. nt  inna   Mar-02-10 06:43 PM   #84 
     - Thanks inna!  Starry Messenger   Mar-02-10 06:52 PM   #86 
  - But I read right here that Obama DESPISES public education...  SidDithers   Mar-02-10 03:06 PM   #5 
  - Could be the reason his Secretary of Education is such a fan of charter schools. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:41 PM   #31 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 03:06 PM   #6 
  - 'Obama is one of the most pro-union Presidents of all time'  leftstreet   Mar-02-10 03:07 PM   #7 
  - amazing, isn't it?  inna   Mar-02-10 03:13 PM   #12 
     - Yep!  leftstreet   Mar-02-10 03:14 PM   #13 
        - double yep. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:42 PM   #33 
  - It's funny that Law and Order had an episode last night pitting  WCGreen   Mar-02-10 03:11 PM   #8 
  - She would have been more sympathetic if the kids weren't...  ChicagoSuz219   Mar-02-10 03:37 PM   #25 
     - It is a crime drama, after all...  WCGreen   Mar-02-10 03:47 PM   #36 
        - Naked City is on Me-TV here in Chicago...  ChicagoSuz219   Mar-02-10 08:49 PM   #108 
           - Yea, I seem to remember this story...  WCGreen   Mar-03-10 12:57 AM   #117 
              - I'm watching it now! :-) n/t  ChicagoSuz219   Mar-03-10 01:17 AM   #120 
  - "God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board."  Fumesucker   Mar-02-10 03:11 PM   #9 
  - Actually: never mind  Tailormyst   Mar-02-10 03:12 PM   #10 
  - Good point  NJmaverick   Mar-02-10 03:21 PM   #16 
  - Call it what you want...  nykym   Mar-02-10 03:23 PM   #18 
  - When your job depends on the values, success and/or  Fire1   Mar-02-10 05:17 PM   #73 
  - To be honest with you  nykym   Mar-03-10 09:48 AM   #143 
  - If you were on Wall St., you'd be getting a big fat bonus..  girl gone mad   Mar-03-10 02:10 AM   #122 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 03:27 PM   #20 
  - I'm more than happy directing my outrage where it belongs.  Political Heretic   Mar-02-10 03:29 PM   #21 
  - +1000...yeah, and with that thinking, Obama is a "fierce advocate"  joeybee12   Mar-02-10 03:43 PM   #34 
  - What, Bernie, if Teddy did it that means it is auto-righteous?  Bluenorthwest   Mar-02-10 03:31 PM   #22 
  - Unions themselves say they are "reeling" from unexpected defeats handed to them by Obama  Political Heretic   Mar-02-10 03:31 PM   #23 
  - "Labor Unions Regroup After Being Stunned by Losses Under Obama, Democrats"  Political Heretic   Mar-02-10 03:32 PM   #24 
  - Yeah, most DUers are aware how Bush screwed Kennedy over on this  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:38 PM   #27 
  - I'm not a proponent of testing and I am a union supporter - but only 7%  BR_Parkway   Mar-02-10 03:39 PM   #28 
  - That is a bogus number. Got a link? nt  ipaint   Mar-02-10 04:01 PM   #42 
  - Ask the OP, I was commenting on that  BR_Parkway   Mar-02-10 04:07 PM   #45 
  - Not bogus at all. LINK:  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 04:15 PM   #47 
     - 7% of one grade level and that is a 4% improvement from 2008.  ipaint   Mar-02-10 04:49 PM   #61 
        - It's amazing how quickly this meme spread  Starry Messenger   Mar-02-10 04:54 PM   #65 
        - Yes, amazing isn't it. The people spreading it unquestioningly are NOT to be trusted.  ipaint   Mar-02-10 05:17 PM   #74 
           - Berni's pretty transparent. He's a party guy.  Starry Messenger   Mar-02-10 05:28 PM   #77 
        - 4% improvement ended up with 7% competency? Yep. Still fail.  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 05:00 PM   #67 
           - Link to back up the salary number? nt  ipaint   Mar-02-10 05:15 PM   #72 
              - Here you go  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 05:22 PM   #75 
                 - Right out of the union busting superintendant's mouth.  ipaint   Mar-02-10 05:34 PM   #79 
                    - If she's lying about their salaries, the journalist could easily verify. Not one  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 05:59 PM   #82 
  - Might be more credible if they had fired all the math teachers in that case  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:06 PM   #44 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 04:17 PM   #49 
        - Yeah, the big problem being the same all over. The corporatists want to privatize our public school  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:51 PM   #63 
           - +1  mmonk   Mar-03-10 05:08 AM   #130 
  - A nationwide move to privatize education, bust teachers/unions, replace public schools with charters  omega minimo   Mar-02-10 03:42 PM   #32 
  - Yep. It's disgusting. It was infuriating under the Repubs and inexcusable with alleged Democrats in  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:51 PM   #37 
     - Straight out of Gingrich Contract on America, being enabled by Frank "Death Tax" Lunz  omega minimo   Mar-02-10 04:34 PM   #55 
  - What would Ted Kennedy know about public education?  Lydia Leftcoast   Mar-02-10 03:45 PM   #35 
  - Are you saying the 'turnaround model' - fire at least half of the teachers - was in NCLB?  muriel_volestrangler   Mar-02-10 03:56 PM   #39 
  - "It's for politicians who want to say "look at me! I'm tough! If something's wrong, I fire lots of  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:08 PM   #46 
  - Nothing brings out people's inner corporatists like a little teacher bashing. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 03:56 PM   #40 
  - False. It was by George W, Bush.  tonysam   Mar-02-10 04:16 PM   #48 
  - Next time, do a little research before spouting off  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 04:18 PM   #51 
     - No, quit spewing garbage, Berni.  tonysam   Mar-02-10 04:20 PM   #53 
        - Correct. Ted supported it with the understanding it would be funded.  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:48 PM   #60 
        - Ted passed it with large support from both dems and repubs  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 05:04 PM   #70 
           - NCLB was founded on liberal democratic principles? Bush's NCLB?  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 05:40 PM   #80 
              - you'll have to forgive berni  Skittles   Mar-02-10 07:30 PM   #100 
                 - When isn't he?  Forkboy   Mar-03-10 07:41 AM   #136 
  - Unrecommend.  tonysam   Mar-02-10 04:23 PM   #54 
  - did you used to be a sailor? n/t  mzteris   Mar-02-10 04:46 PM   #59 
  - Obama's seeking an additional $1.35 billion dollars to help failing schools.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Mar-02-10 06:55 PM   #87 
     - Perhaps he should tell Arne  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 07:29 PM   #99 
  - I wish I could unrec this one hundred times.  freddie mertz   Mar-02-10 04:37 PM   #56 
  - right there with you. I regret I have but one unrec to give to this post. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 04:44 PM   #57 
  - For Once, I Agree  NashVegas   Mar-02-10 04:54 PM   #64 
  - Recommend. I'm one of few here who know a principal AND several teachers in the Ocean State, (RI)  NYC_SKP   Mar-02-10 05:00 PM   #68 
  - totally bogus garbage  amborin   Mar-02-10 05:03 PM   #69 
  - Just because dear ol' Teddy had a hand in it doesn't make it right.  MadHound   Mar-02-10 05:33 PM   #78 
  - Totally on target, there! nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 05:58 PM   #81 
  - exactly. well said.  inna   Mar-02-10 07:01 PM   #89 
  - Not just Kennedy but nearly all the democrats in congress  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 07:02 PM   #90 
     - I believe they thought the program would be funded at the time they voted for it  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 07:31 PM   #103 
     - Yeah, I know how many Dems were in on it.  MadHound   Mar-02-10 09:40 PM   #116 
  - I always read, look forward to, and respect your posts.  Mike 03   Mar-02-10 07:05 PM   #91 
  - Ted has done some things that I would never have done  Grand Taurean   Mar-02-10 07:07 PM   #92 
  - Bush certainly promoted it, but Ted sponsored it and a vast majority of both parties  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 07:20 PM   #93 
     - It's a bad program and I think most here opposed it at the time  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 07:34 PM   #104 
     - Where are you going to get 93 trained teachers from?  Grand Taurean   Mar-02-10 08:25 PM   #107 
  - Is there anyone you won't throw under the bus to defend Obama?  anonymous171   Mar-02-10 07:22 PM   #94 
  - Who is being thrown under the bus?  berni_mccoy   Mar-02-10 07:23 PM   #96 
  - Not that I've seen yet. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-02-10 07:28 PM   #97 
  - No. n/t  QC   Mar-02-10 08:54 PM   #109 
  - No.  Forkboy   Mar-03-10 07:41 AM   #137 
  - I think I know the answer.  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 09:40 AM   #141 
  - Wow.  asdjrocky   Mar-02-10 07:30 PM   #101 
  - Oh, anything for the cause, you know. nt  laughingliberal   Mar-03-10 02:25 AM   #123 
  - ted kennedy believed in doing, not just talking...  aungsungsuchi2   Mar-02-10 07:31 PM   #102 
  - Comedian  Kalun D   Mar-02-10 08:00 PM   #105 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 08:59 PM   #110 
  - Not accurate.  LWolf   Mar-02-10 09:01 PM   #111 
  - ...  inna   Mar-02-10 09:21 PM   #112 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-02-10 09:35 PM   #115 
  - You're one of my favorite comedians.  Marr   Mar-03-10 01:04 AM   #118 
  - LOL! BM! The worst comedian in the universe since...  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 09:43 AM   #142 
  - You saying Obama is more pro union that Ted Kennedy?  upi402   Mar-03-10 01:12 AM   #119 
  - Nice point, but you're barking up the wrong tree.  Frank Booth   Mar-03-10 01:47 AM   #121 
  - Apparently, the privatizers have no defense but an army of straw men.  Hannah Bell   Mar-03-10 04:23 AM   #125 
  - I never cease to be amazed ..  gleaner   Mar-03-10 04:53 AM   #129 
  - NCLB reminds me of the Cheshire Cat's smile  cornermouse   Mar-03-10 06:06 AM   #131 
  - I agree with all your points. I also happen to know some REALLY BAD teachers, especially  lamp_shade   Mar-03-10 06:14 AM   #132 
  - Ted Kennedy would puke if he read this.nt.  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 09:19 AM   #140 
  - Didn't Ted say this was the biggest mistake of his senate career  madokie   Mar-03-10 06:18 AM   #133 
  - He was certainly not happy with the end result.  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 07:17 AM   #134 
     - So am I,  madokie   Mar-03-10 07:36 AM   #135 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-03-10 07:54 AM   #138 
     - Teachers are "vermin" now?  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 09:18 AM   #139 
        - Oh, please stop with the dramatics...  kjackson227   Mar-03-10 09:54 AM   #144 
           - It doesn't "upset" me, it PISSES ME OFF.  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 09:59 AM   #145 
              - whatever...  kjackson227   Mar-03-10 10:01 AM   #146 
                 - You got nothing.  freddie mertz   Mar-03-10 10:04 AM   #147 
 

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