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Tue Mar-02-10 03:41 PM
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| 30. Ted got suckered by Bush on this. nt |
| -Something Many DUers Aren't Going To Like Or Want To Admit |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-02-10 02:58 PM |
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That is true. However when NCLB passed, it was with the understanding... |
arbusto_baboso |
Mar-02-10 03:00 PM |
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Here is one thing I don't get. Doesn't congress control funding? |
Statistical |
Mar-02-10 03:14 PM |
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It was passed by a Republican majorty. |
arbusto_baboso |
Mar-02-10 03:19 PM |
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The money has NEVER existed (at least not in last 30 years). |
Statistical |
Mar-02-10 03:23 PM |
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With large support from Liberal Democrats. Passed with more than 90 votes in the Senate |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-02-10 03:26 PM |
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Thanks. Information is power. |
Statistical |
Mar-02-10 03:38 PM |
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Yep. Nothing I know of that has prevented them from going back and funding it after we regained the |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 03:55 PM |
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Mar-02-10 04:19 PM |
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+1000 nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 04:45 PM |
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Mar-02-10 04:55 PM |
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Mar-02-10 07:23 PM |
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Kennedy didn't create NCLB. It was Bush and it was based on the Texas |
tonysam |
Mar-02-10 04:18 PM |
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+1 |
inna |
Mar-02-10 06:40 PM |
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Kennedy was the original sponsor in the Senate |
harkadog |
Mar-02-10 07:00 PM |
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Ted was hoodwinked. NCLB was modeled after the Houston Miracle whose results were |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Mar-02-10 09:29 PM |
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Funding has only recently become an issue. Prior to this year, schools |
warm regards |
Mar-02-10 07:28 PM |
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lame sig. Edited to add: and post, too. |
inna |
Mar-02-10 09:26 PM |
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I'm sorry if reality doesn’t fit your world view. I really am. |
warm regards |
Mar-03-10 04:20 AM |
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Union busting would be when you fired good teachers |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-02-10 03:00 PM |
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i agree the union busting thing is a sham |
paulsby |
Mar-02-10 03:13 PM |
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If they fired an entire department and moved towards replacing them with non-union policemen |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 03:40 PM |
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that's a good point |
paulsby |
Mar-02-10 03:59 PM |
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I'm not really sure but I suspect it is another move to get more charter schools. |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 04:04 PM |
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and, as with new hires at gm, & the new non-union gm plant, to, uh, "re-negotiate". |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-03-10 04:29 AM |
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They're not. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-02-10 05:15 PM |
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So, option A |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 05:26 PM |
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uh, 1) most charter schools = non-union. 2) all the other options = violating existing |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-03-10 04:31 AM |
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Exactly ~ |
goclark |
Mar-02-10 06:48 PM |
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union busting would be when you fired an entire school in violation of contract, precedent, & esta- |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-03-10 04:28 AM |
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But, moooooommmmmmmm, Teddy did it, too! |
Cerridwen |
Mar-02-10 03:04 PM |
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Ted Kennedy sucked on this issue too. |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-02-10 03:06 PM |
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Ted got suckered by Bush on this. nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 03:41 PM |
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I know. |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-02-10 04:51 PM |
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Are you serious? |
Rage for Order |
Mar-02-10 08:02 PM |
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Great photoshop! Love it. :) Privatization = Piratization. nt |
inna |
Mar-02-10 06:43 PM |
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Thanks inna! |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-02-10 06:52 PM |
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But I read right here that Obama DESPISES public education... |
SidDithers |
Mar-02-10 03:06 PM |
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Could be the reason his Secretary of Education is such a fan of charter schools. nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 03:41 PM |
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Mar-02-10 03:06 PM |
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'Obama is one of the most pro-union Presidents of all time' |
leftstreet |
Mar-02-10 03:07 PM |
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amazing, isn't it? |
inna |
Mar-02-10 03:13 PM |
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Yep! |
leftstreet |
Mar-02-10 03:14 PM |
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double yep. nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 03:42 PM |
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It's funny that Law and Order had an episode last night pitting |
WCGreen |
Mar-02-10 03:11 PM |
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She would have been more sympathetic if the kids weren't... |
ChicagoSuz219 |
Mar-02-10 03:37 PM |
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It is a crime drama, after all... |
WCGreen |
Mar-02-10 03:47 PM |
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Naked City is on Me-TV here in Chicago... |
ChicagoSuz219 |
Mar-02-10 08:49 PM |
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Yea, I seem to remember this story... |
WCGreen |
Mar-03-10 12:57 AM |
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I'm watching it now! :-) n/t |
ChicagoSuz219 |
Mar-03-10 01:17 AM |
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"God made the Idiot for practice, and then He made the School Board." |
Fumesucker |
Mar-02-10 03:11 PM |
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Actually: never mind |
Tailormyst |
Mar-02-10 03:12 PM |
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Good point |
NJmaverick |
Mar-02-10 03:21 PM |
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Call it what you want... |
nykym |
Mar-02-10 03:23 PM |
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When your job depends on the values, success and/or |
Fire1 |
Mar-02-10 05:17 PM |
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To be honest with you |
nykym |
Mar-03-10 09:48 AM |
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If you were on Wall St., you'd be getting a big fat bonus.. |
girl gone mad |
Mar-03-10 02:10 AM |
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Mar-02-10 03:27 PM |
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I'm more than happy directing my outrage where it belongs. |
Political Heretic |
Mar-02-10 03:29 PM |
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+1000...yeah, and with that thinking, Obama is a "fierce advocate" |
joeybee12 |
Mar-02-10 03:43 PM |
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What, Bernie, if Teddy did it that means it is auto-righteous? |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-02-10 03:31 PM |
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Unions themselves say they are "reeling" from unexpected defeats handed to them by Obama |
Political Heretic |
Mar-02-10 03:31 PM |
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"Labor Unions Regroup After Being Stunned by Losses Under Obama, Democrats" |
Political Heretic |
Mar-02-10 03:32 PM |
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Yeah, most DUers are aware how Bush screwed Kennedy over on this |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 03:38 PM |
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I'm not a proponent of testing and I am a union supporter - but only 7% |
BR_Parkway |
Mar-02-10 03:39 PM |
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That is a bogus number. Got a link? nt |
ipaint |
Mar-02-10 04:01 PM |
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Ask the OP, I was commenting on that |
BR_Parkway |
Mar-02-10 04:07 PM |
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Not bogus at all. LINK: |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-02-10 04:15 PM |
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7% of one grade level and that is a 4% improvement from 2008. |
ipaint |
Mar-02-10 04:49 PM |
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It's amazing how quickly this meme spread |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-02-10 04:54 PM |
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Yes, amazing isn't it. The people spreading it unquestioningly are NOT to be trusted. |
ipaint |
Mar-02-10 05:17 PM |
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Berni's pretty transparent. He's a party guy. |
Starry Messenger |
Mar-02-10 05:28 PM |
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4% improvement ended up with 7% competency? Yep. Still fail. |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-02-10 05:00 PM |
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Link to back up the salary number? nt |
ipaint |
Mar-02-10 05:15 PM |
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Here you go |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-02-10 05:22 PM |
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Right out of the union busting superintendant's mouth. |
ipaint |
Mar-02-10 05:34 PM |
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If she's lying about their salaries, the journalist could easily verify. Not one |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-02-10 05:59 PM |
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Might be more credible if they had fired all the math teachers in that case |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 04:06 PM |
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Mar-02-10 04:17 PM |
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Yeah, the big problem being the same all over. The corporatists want to privatize our public school |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 04:51 PM |
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+1 |
mmonk |
Mar-03-10 05:08 AM |
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A nationwide move to privatize education, bust teachers/unions, replace public schools with charters |
omega minimo |
Mar-02-10 03:42 PM |
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Yep. It's disgusting. It was infuriating under the Repubs and inexcusable with alleged Democrats in |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 03:51 PM |
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Straight out of Gingrich Contract on America, being enabled by Frank "Death Tax" Lunz |
omega minimo |
Mar-02-10 04:34 PM |
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What would Ted Kennedy know about public education? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Mar-02-10 03:45 PM |
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Are you saying the 'turnaround model' - fire at least half of the teachers - was in NCLB? |
muriel_volestrangler |
Mar-02-10 03:56 PM |
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"It's for politicians who want to say "look at me! I'm tough! If something's wrong, I fire lots of |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 04:08 PM |
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Nothing brings out people's inner corporatists like a little teacher bashing. nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 03:56 PM |
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False. It was by George W, Bush. |
tonysam |
Mar-02-10 04:16 PM |
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Next time, do a little research before spouting off |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-02-10 04:18 PM |
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No, quit spewing garbage, Berni. |
tonysam |
Mar-02-10 04:20 PM |
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Correct. Ted supported it with the understanding it would be funded. |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 04:48 PM |
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Ted passed it with large support from both dems and repubs |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-02-10 05:04 PM |
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NCLB was founded on liberal democratic principles? Bush's NCLB? |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 05:40 PM |
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you'll have to forgive berni |
Skittles |
Mar-02-10 07:30 PM |
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When isn't he? |
Forkboy |
Mar-03-10 07:41 AM |
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Unrecommend. |
tonysam |
Mar-02-10 04:23 PM |
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did you used to be a sailor? n/t |
mzteris |
Mar-02-10 04:46 PM |
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Obama's seeking an additional $1.35 billion dollars to help failing schools. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Mar-02-10 06:55 PM |
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Perhaps he should tell Arne |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 07:29 PM |
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I wish I could unrec this one hundred times. |
freddie mertz |
Mar-02-10 04:37 PM |
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right there with you. I regret I have but one unrec to give to this post. nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 04:44 PM |
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For Once, I Agree |
NashVegas |
Mar-02-10 04:54 PM |
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Recommend. I'm one of few here who know a principal AND several teachers in the Ocean State, (RI) |
NYC_SKP |
Mar-02-10 05:00 PM |
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totally bogus garbage |
amborin |
Mar-02-10 05:03 PM |
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Just because dear ol' Teddy had a hand in it doesn't make it right. |
MadHound |
Mar-02-10 05:33 PM |
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Totally on target, there! nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 05:58 PM |
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exactly. well said. |
inna |
Mar-02-10 07:01 PM |
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Not just Kennedy but nearly all the democrats in congress |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-02-10 07:02 PM |
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I believe they thought the program would be funded at the time they voted for it |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 07:31 PM |
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Yeah, I know how many Dems were in on it. |
MadHound |
Mar-02-10 09:40 PM |
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I always read, look forward to, and respect your posts. |
Mike 03 |
Mar-02-10 07:05 PM |
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Ted has done some things that I would never have done |
Grand Taurean |
Mar-02-10 07:07 PM |
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Bush certainly promoted it, but Ted sponsored it and a vast majority of both parties |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-02-10 07:20 PM |
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It's a bad program and I think most here opposed it at the time |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 07:34 PM |
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Where are you going to get 93 trained teachers from? |
Grand Taurean |
Mar-02-10 08:25 PM |
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Is there anyone you won't throw under the bus to defend Obama? |
anonymous171 |
Mar-02-10 07:22 PM |
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Who is being thrown under the bus? |
berni_mccoy |
Mar-02-10 07:23 PM |
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Not that I've seen yet. nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-02-10 07:28 PM |
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No. n/t |
QC |
Mar-02-10 08:54 PM |
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No. |
Forkboy |
Mar-03-10 07:41 AM |
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I think I know the answer. |
freddie mertz |
Mar-03-10 09:40 AM |
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Wow. |
asdjrocky |
Mar-02-10 07:30 PM |
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Oh, anything for the cause, you know. nt |
laughingliberal |
Mar-03-10 02:25 AM |
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ted kennedy believed in doing, not just talking... |
aungsungsuchi2 |
Mar-02-10 07:31 PM |
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Comedian |
Kalun D |
Mar-02-10 08:00 PM |
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Mar-02-10 08:59 PM |
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Not accurate. |
LWolf |
Mar-02-10 09:01 PM |
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... |
inna |
Mar-02-10 09:21 PM |
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Mar-02-10 09:35 PM |
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You're one of my favorite comedians. |
Marr |
Mar-03-10 01:04 AM |
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LOL! BM! The worst comedian in the universe since... |
freddie mertz |
Mar-03-10 09:43 AM |
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You saying Obama is more pro union that Ted Kennedy? |
upi402 |
Mar-03-10 01:12 AM |
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Nice point, but you're barking up the wrong tree. |
Frank Booth |
Mar-03-10 01:47 AM |
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Apparently, the privatizers have no defense but an army of straw men. |
Hannah Bell |
Mar-03-10 04:23 AM |
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I never cease to be amazed .. |
gleaner |
Mar-03-10 04:53 AM |
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NCLB reminds me of the Cheshire Cat's smile |
cornermouse |
Mar-03-10 06:06 AM |
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I agree with all your points. I also happen to know some REALLY BAD teachers, especially |
lamp_shade |
Mar-03-10 06:14 AM |
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Ted Kennedy would puke if he read this.nt. |
freddie mertz |
Mar-03-10 09:19 AM |
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Didn't Ted say this was the biggest mistake of his senate career |
madokie |
Mar-03-10 06:18 AM |
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He was certainly not happy with the end result. |
freddie mertz |
Mar-03-10 07:17 AM |
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So am I, |
madokie |
Mar-03-10 07:36 AM |
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Mar-03-10 07:54 AM |
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Teachers are "vermin" now? |
freddie mertz |
Mar-03-10 09:18 AM |
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Oh, please stop with the dramatics... |
kjackson227 |
Mar-03-10 09:54 AM |
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It doesn't "upset" me, it PISSES ME OFF. |
freddie mertz |
Mar-03-10 09:59 AM |
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whatever... |
kjackson227 |
Mar-03-10 10:01 AM |
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You got nothing. |
freddie mertz |
Mar-03-10 10:04 AM |
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