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46. People who tend to put words and actions on dead people...
Edited on Mon Mar-01-10 04:01 PM by liberation
... should not be lecturing other people.

Rand was a mediocre thinker, pissed off because the commies took her toys away.

There was nothing to get in regards to Ayn Rand, in the same sense that there was nothing to extra to "get" regarding the context of Mussolini, because he had made the trains run on time for the first and only time in Italy. From a literary standpoint, her books are mediocre to the extreme. From a philosophical standpoint, none of her works can even be considered remotely philosophical in nature (never mind in content). Her personal life was a mess. She has (and never did) no credibility at an international level, none. It beats me why people still discuss this hack. She was an unremarkable thinker, who may have been right about a couple of issues... in the same sense that a stopped watch is not the most energy efficient way of telling time twice a day.

In the same sense, it is no coincidence that todays Randian acolites, be it Ron Paul or Greenspan... are equally demented and flawed characters, who feel entitled to a sense of validation which is completely undeserved. And it is fueled by the same "being right twice a day" rate of correct time telling in a 24 hr period as a brocken grandpa clock.

There are far better thinkers and authors from her generation, which had to suffer obscurity due to all the spot light reserved for this hack. Sad really...

If she was such a seeker of virtue, as you try to claim. Her words today would be to tell us to stop wasting our time and effort parsing her mediocre prose, and would direct us to far worthier authors. Isn't put words on dead people fun?
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  -The Psychopathology of Ayn Rand Prophet 451  Mar-01-10 04:01 AM   #0 
  - Any talk of Ayn Rand always brings this to mind...  Chulanowa   Mar-01-10 04:12 AM   #1 
  - Not sure if I should laugh or cry n/t  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 04:19 AM   #2 
  - Charles Atlas Shrugged  Dogmudgeon   Mar-01-10 04:27 AM   #3 
  - Every time /lit/ (4chan) has a Ayn Rand thread, it turns into a shitstorm.  Jkid   Mar-01-10 04:35 AM   #4 
  - I can understand that  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 04:44 AM   #6 
     - Makes perfect sense...  Jkid   Mar-01-10 04:51 AM   #7 
     - "Swarm" is a good word  nxylas   Mar-01-10 12:50 PM   #27 
        - I always thought that too  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 01:53 PM   #34 
           - Yes, but HuffPo is a single, high-profile site  nxylas   Mar-01-10 04:23 PM   #56 
  - The dangers of utopian thinking  Lars77   Mar-01-10 04:38 AM   #5 
  - I'm not sure if Rand's ideas were utopian  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 04:52 AM   #8 
  - But i think the politicians are a bit different than Rand.  Lars77   Mar-01-10 05:06 AM   #9 
  - I believe the author you're referring to is Kevin Phillips  LongTomH   Mar-02-10 08:17 AM   #73 
  - I don't think either Stalin, Pol Pot, or Hitler themselves were utopian on the slightest  liberation   Mar-01-10 03:04 PM   #41 
     - I hadm't considered your last point  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 03:24 PM   #47 
     - to use her own demented "novels" as proof of a reality which never existed,  AlbertCat   Mar-01-10 05:26 PM   #57 
        - Well, the Scientologists did it with L. Ron Hubbard!!!  BrklynLiberal   Mar-01-10 08:30 PM   #63 
  - Kick. Lookin' good. Later. nt  Smarmie Doofus   Mar-01-10 05:39 AM   #10 
  - Cheers n/t  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 05:49 AM   #11 
  - I read some Rand in college - Atlas Shrugged. I was initially taken  geckosfeet   Mar-01-10 06:04 AM   #12 
  - Market Totalitarianism  jsmithsen   Mar-01-10 06:08 AM   #13 
  - "To the Libertarian the market contains its own checks and balances"  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 06:23 AM   #15 
     - Indeed, I also find it interesting that just like religious people, libertarians  liberation   Mar-01-10 03:10 PM   #45 
  - Big Government Conservatism  jsmithsen   Mar-01-10 06:15 AM   #14 
  - I read her when I was too young to understand the references in this  saltpoint   Mar-01-10 06:25 AM   #16 
  - In reality  azurnoir   Mar-01-10 06:47 AM   #17 
  - Of course  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 09:16 AM   #22 
  - .  snagglepuss   Mar-01-10 06:50 AM   #18 
  - I thought she was a sociopath...  druidity33   Mar-01-10 06:55 AM   #19 
  - Errr  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 07:49 AM   #20 
  - I'm convinced upon reading about her fantasy/obsession w/ a child killer  Echo In Light   Mar-01-10 09:21 AM   #23 
  - K&R  Odin2005   Mar-01-10 08:05 AM   #21 
  - [rolls eyes]  dem mba   Mar-01-10 12:23 PM   #24 
  - Ahem.  Lyric   Mar-01-10 12:32 PM   #25 
  - I would recommend anybody read Ayn Rand. Both the Left and Right don't 'get' her.  TwentyFive   Mar-01-10 01:33 PM   #29 
  - Rand opposed Racism & Theocracy - when many democrats supported Jim Crow laws and Prayer in schools.  TwentyFive   Mar-01-10 01:45 PM   #31 
  - Which is why I used her actual published words  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 01:46 PM   #33 
  - Exactly  MattBaggins   Mar-01-10 03:05 PM   #42 
  - when many democrats supported Jim Crow laws and Prayer in schools.  AlbertCat   Mar-01-10 05:36 PM   #58 
  - There is nothing to get.  MattBaggins   Mar-01-10 03:03 PM   #40 
  - People who tend to put words and actions on dead people...  liberation   Mar-01-10 03:16 PM   #46 
  - As would I.  Ka hrnt   Mar-01-10 08:04 PM   #62 
  - There is a difference  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 01:45 PM   #32 
  - Christianity has been discredited???  dem mba   Mar-01-10 03:32 PM   #50 
     - I said Christian *THEOCRACY* had been discredited n/t  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 04:03 PM   #54 
     - I don't think the term "discredited" means what you think it means...  liberation   Mar-01-10 08:45 PM   #64 
  - You slogged through "Mein Kampf" AND "The Fountainhead"? You have great endurance  AlienGirl   Mar-01-10 03:08 PM   #43 
  - well I couldn't get through Moby Dick  dem mba   Mar-01-10 03:37 PM   #52 
     - No, I believe the whale actually caught them.  enuegii   Mar-01-10 09:56 PM   #66 
  - But does the shoe fit or not?  dbmk   Mar-02-10 04:10 AM   #69 
  - my point is that I don't care if Rand is a psychopath  dem mba   Mar-02-10 10:04 PM   #86 
  - I give your attempt at establishing a false assumption a 5 out of 10. Real sloppy job there...  liberation   Mar-02-10 04:57 PM   #81 
  - so your problem is with how people react to a piece of literature?  dem mba   Mar-02-10 10:01 PM   #85 
  - Dismissive because it's a smear.  Ka hrnt   Mar-02-10 07:50 PM   #84 
  - I think she's got the "pathological  DirkGently   Mar-01-10 12:45 PM   #26 
  - That's exactly what it means  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 01:40 PM   #30 
  - Ayn Rand was a bodice in search of a ripper. aka: A "real" man.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Mar-01-10 12:54 PM   #28 
  - I think you're being too kind.  TygrBright   Mar-01-10 02:26 PM   #35 
  - lol  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 02:42 PM   #36 
     - When you want to gouge your own eyeballs out by page three...  TygrBright   Mar-01-10 02:48 PM   #37 
        - I thought that was just me  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 03:00 PM   #39 
           - When I finished Atlas Shrugged, I felt very angry that this hack had stolen all that time  liberation   Mar-01-10 03:30 PM   #48 
              - An actually virtuous person...  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 07:08 PM   #61 
  - I read those two excruciating boring books  ismnotwasm   Mar-01-10 02:56 PM   #38 
  - The right wingers desparately try to ignore her strong atheism  JPZenger   Mar-01-10 03:10 PM   #44 
     - The right wingers desparately try to ignore her strong atheism  AlbertCat   Mar-01-10 05:53 PM   #60 
  - Libertarianism/Republicanism = Legendary Selfishness  grahamhgreen   Mar-01-10 03:30 PM   #49 
  - Isn't this an Alternet article?  Javaman   Mar-01-10 03:33 PM   #51 
  - I feel better now, knowing there is a Supreme Court Justice who requires his clerks...  liberation   Mar-01-10 03:52 PM   #53 
  - No but thank you n/t  Prophet 451   Mar-01-10 04:07 PM   #55 
  - It seems like you lifted directly from it. nt  Javaman   Mar-01-10 05:40 PM   #59 
  - The Fountainhead is Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas's favorite book  AlbertCat   Mar-02-10 12:24 PM   #79 
  - Quote for the day  salib   Mar-01-10 08:47 PM   #65 
  - A thoughtful, provocative, and handsomely written post, Prophet.  saltpoint   Mar-01-10 10:05 PM   #67 
  - No, thank you n/t  Prophet 451   Mar-02-10 07:43 AM   #70 
  - Rand is dead. Get over her  tcaudilllg   Mar-02-10 01:03 AM   #68 
  - Love to  Prophet 451   Mar-02-10 07:49 AM   #71 
  - The thing is with literature, though, is that even after the author has  saltpoint   Mar-02-10 08:25 AM   #74 
  - I'd like to have a concise collection of anti-Christian quotes of hers to use when it comes up.  FormerDittoHead   Mar-02-10 07:53 AM   #72 
  - This is as good a summary of Ayn Rand's philosophy and character as I've seen  Time for change   Mar-02-10 10:24 AM   #75 
  - Thanks, man n/t  Prophet 451   Mar-02-10 12:07 PM   #78 
  - I started college as an architecture major  PurpleChez   Mar-02-10 10:56 AM   #76 
  - As an Architect, I was interested in reading The Fountainhead,  keith the dem   Mar-02-10 01:00 PM   #80 
     - I have a PhD in Engineering and have to deal with randbots on an almost hour basis  liberation   Mar-02-10 05:07 PM   #82 
  - Should've said in first post...  PurpleChez   Mar-02-10 10:56 AM   #77 
  - Reject civil societies, think 'animal kingdom' survival of the weaseliest  upi402   Mar-02-10 05:12 PM   #83 
  - I'm an "athieist" as you would say, but I can't stand Ayn Rand's philosophy.  Ladyhawk   Mar-02-10 10:17 PM   #87 
     - Didn't mean to  Prophet 451   Mar-02-10 10:33 PM   #88 

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