Prophet 451
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Mon Mar-01-10 04:52 AM
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| 8. I'm not sure if Rand's ideas were utopian |
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Her ideal of a world controlled by and for a small class of the rich doesn't strike me as utopian because she seems aware of how objectionable it would be to the plebians. She just doesn't think the plebs have any moral right to complain. Really, her arguments read more like the justifications of slave owners. That kind of "We have a duty to rule them" thinking.
I'll confess that globalisation isn't my area but, from what I do understand of it, it can hardly be considered a force for the good. I mean, I like my cheap cigarettes (which are made in Virginia, looking at the pack) but not at the expense of driving wages toward some global lowest common denominator or shipping my neighbour's jobs overseas. In American Theocracy (I forget the author's name), the author advances the theory that any nation where the largest sector of the economy is people moving money around rather than actually making things is a nation in decline.
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| -The Psychopathology of Ayn Rand |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 04:01 AM |
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Any talk of Ayn Rand always brings this to mind... |
Chulanowa |
Mar-01-10 04:12 AM |
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Not sure if I should laugh or cry n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 04:19 AM |
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Charles Atlas Shrugged |
Dogmudgeon |
Mar-01-10 04:27 AM |
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Every time /lit/ (4chan) has a Ayn Rand thread, it turns into a shitstorm. |
Jkid |
Mar-01-10 04:35 AM |
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I can understand that |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 04:44 AM |
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Makes perfect sense... |
Jkid |
Mar-01-10 04:51 AM |
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"Swarm" is a good word |
nxylas |
Mar-01-10 12:50 PM |
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I always thought that too |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 01:53 PM |
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Yes, but HuffPo is a single, high-profile site |
nxylas |
Mar-01-10 04:23 PM |
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The dangers of utopian thinking |
Lars77 |
Mar-01-10 04:38 AM |
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I'm not sure if Rand's ideas were utopian |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 04:52 AM |
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But i think the politicians are a bit different than Rand. |
Lars77 |
Mar-01-10 05:06 AM |
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I believe the author you're referring to is Kevin Phillips |
LongTomH |
Mar-02-10 08:17 AM |
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I don't think either Stalin, Pol Pot, or Hitler themselves were utopian on the slightest |
liberation |
Mar-01-10 03:04 PM |
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I hadm't considered your last point |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 03:24 PM |
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to use her own demented "novels" as proof of a reality which never existed, |
AlbertCat |
Mar-01-10 05:26 PM |
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Well, the Scientologists did it with L. Ron Hubbard!!! |
BrklynLiberal |
Mar-01-10 08:30 PM |
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Kick. Lookin' good. Later. nt |
Smarmie Doofus |
Mar-01-10 05:39 AM |
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Cheers n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 05:49 AM |
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I read some Rand in college - Atlas Shrugged. I was initially taken |
geckosfeet |
Mar-01-10 06:04 AM |
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Market Totalitarianism |
jsmithsen |
Mar-01-10 06:08 AM |
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"To the Libertarian the market contains its own checks and balances" |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 06:23 AM |
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Indeed, I also find it interesting that just like religious people, libertarians |
liberation |
Mar-01-10 03:10 PM |
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Big Government Conservatism |
jsmithsen |
Mar-01-10 06:15 AM |
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I read her when I was too young to understand the references in this |
saltpoint |
Mar-01-10 06:25 AM |
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In reality |
azurnoir |
Mar-01-10 06:47 AM |
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Of course |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 09:16 AM |
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. |
snagglepuss |
Mar-01-10 06:50 AM |
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I thought she was a sociopath... |
druidity33 |
Mar-01-10 06:55 AM |
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Errr |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 07:49 AM |
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I'm convinced upon reading about her fantasy/obsession w/ a child killer |
Echo In Light |
Mar-01-10 09:21 AM |
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K&R |
Odin2005 |
Mar-01-10 08:05 AM |
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[rolls eyes] |
dem mba |
Mar-01-10 12:23 PM |
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Ahem. |
Lyric |
Mar-01-10 12:32 PM |
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I would recommend anybody read Ayn Rand. Both the Left and Right don't 'get' her. |
TwentyFive |
Mar-01-10 01:33 PM |
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Rand opposed Racism & Theocracy - when many democrats supported Jim Crow laws and Prayer in schools. |
TwentyFive |
Mar-01-10 01:45 PM |
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Which is why I used her actual published words |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 01:46 PM |
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Exactly |
MattBaggins |
Mar-01-10 03:05 PM |
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when many democrats supported Jim Crow laws and Prayer in schools. |
AlbertCat |
Mar-01-10 05:36 PM |
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There is nothing to get. |
MattBaggins |
Mar-01-10 03:03 PM |
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People who tend to put words and actions on dead people... |
liberation |
Mar-01-10 03:16 PM |
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As would I. |
Ka hrnt |
Mar-01-10 08:04 PM |
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There is a difference |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 01:45 PM |
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Christianity has been discredited??? |
dem mba |
Mar-01-10 03:32 PM |
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I said Christian *THEOCRACY* had been discredited n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 04:03 PM |
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I don't think the term "discredited" means what you think it means... |
liberation |
Mar-01-10 08:45 PM |
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You slogged through "Mein Kampf" AND "The Fountainhead"? You have great endurance |
AlienGirl |
Mar-01-10 03:08 PM |
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well I couldn't get through Moby Dick |
dem mba |
Mar-01-10 03:37 PM |
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No, I believe the whale actually caught them. |
enuegii |
Mar-01-10 09:56 PM |
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But does the shoe fit or not? |
dbmk |
Mar-02-10 04:10 AM |
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my point is that I don't care if Rand is a psychopath |
dem mba |
Mar-02-10 10:04 PM |
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I give your attempt at establishing a false assumption a 5 out of 10. Real sloppy job there... |
liberation |
Mar-02-10 04:57 PM |
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so your problem is with how people react to a piece of literature? |
dem mba |
Mar-02-10 10:01 PM |
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Dismissive because it's a smear. |
Ka hrnt |
Mar-02-10 07:50 PM |
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I think she's got the "pathological |
DirkGently |
Mar-01-10 12:45 PM |
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That's exactly what it means |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 01:40 PM |
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Ayn Rand was a bodice in search of a ripper. aka: A "real" man. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Mar-01-10 12:54 PM |
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I think you're being too kind. |
TygrBright |
Mar-01-10 02:26 PM |
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lol |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 02:42 PM |
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When you want to gouge your own eyeballs out by page three... |
TygrBright |
Mar-01-10 02:48 PM |
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I thought that was just me |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 03:00 PM |
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When I finished Atlas Shrugged, I felt very angry that this hack had stolen all that time |
liberation |
Mar-01-10 03:30 PM |
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An actually virtuous person... |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 07:08 PM |
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I read those two excruciating boring books |
ismnotwasm |
Mar-01-10 02:56 PM |
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The right wingers desparately try to ignore her strong atheism |
JPZenger |
Mar-01-10 03:10 PM |
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The right wingers desparately try to ignore her strong atheism |
AlbertCat |
Mar-01-10 05:53 PM |
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Libertarianism/Republicanism = Legendary Selfishness |
grahamhgreen |
Mar-01-10 03:30 PM |
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Isn't this an Alternet article? |
Javaman |
Mar-01-10 03:33 PM |
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I feel better now, knowing there is a Supreme Court Justice who requires his clerks... |
liberation |
Mar-01-10 03:52 PM |
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No but thank you n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-01-10 04:07 PM |
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It seems like you lifted directly from it. nt |
Javaman |
Mar-01-10 05:40 PM |
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The Fountainhead is Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas's favorite book |
AlbertCat |
Mar-02-10 12:24 PM |
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Quote for the day |
salib |
Mar-01-10 08:47 PM |
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A thoughtful, provocative, and handsomely written post, Prophet. |
saltpoint |
Mar-01-10 10:05 PM |
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No, thank you n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-02-10 07:43 AM |
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Rand is dead. Get over her |
tcaudilllg |
Mar-02-10 01:03 AM |
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Love to |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-02-10 07:49 AM |
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The thing is with literature, though, is that even after the author has |
saltpoint |
Mar-02-10 08:25 AM |
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I'd like to have a concise collection of anti-Christian quotes of hers to use when it comes up. |
FormerDittoHead |
Mar-02-10 07:53 AM |
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This is as good a summary of Ayn Rand's philosophy and character as I've seen |
Time for change |
Mar-02-10 10:24 AM |
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Thanks, man n/t |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-02-10 12:07 PM |
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I started college as an architecture major |
PurpleChez |
Mar-02-10 10:56 AM |
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As an Architect, I was interested in reading The Fountainhead, |
keith the dem |
Mar-02-10 01:00 PM |
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I have a PhD in Engineering and have to deal with randbots on an almost hour basis |
liberation |
Mar-02-10 05:07 PM |
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Should've said in first post... |
PurpleChez |
Mar-02-10 10:56 AM |
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Reject civil societies, think 'animal kingdom' survival of the weaseliest |
upi402 |
Mar-02-10 05:12 PM |
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I'm an "athieist" as you would say, but I can't stand Ayn Rand's philosophy. |
Ladyhawk |
Mar-02-10 10:17 PM |
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Didn't mean to |
Prophet 451 |
Mar-02-10 10:33 PM |
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